Injectors Plus: Starting out, hope to help here.

[jsup]

Hey all. Vettezuki said I can post here, so....here we go!

I have decided I do not take direction well, and can not stand to work for other people. So I looked toward what I think is the future and threw everything I have into a venture I am comfortable with. This is life altering, so bear with me.

I am purchasing a company that has been in existence for over two decades that specializes in fuel injectors. I am keeping all of their technicians, and all of their equipment. It's a long term revenue buy out, FWIW.

We are focusing on the "not so common" applications. For example I can make one of the hot Siemens 2250CC fit Honda "H" motors. We can do EV14 Bosch into different applications. I can resize the Mopar Hemi injectors. So our focus is on unique performance applications either domestic or import, although we will carry replacement and higher flow injectors.

We flow match every set to your specs and provide a flow sheet with the injectors.

This company has been building custom injectors for some time, as a favor to people who race, but they have not promoted it. Well, I am going to expand and promote the high performance market, as I feel it is dramatically under served.

My daily driver stuff is 1/2 the cost of new, we use only the best materials, and provide a lifetime warrantee. There are guys out there who rebuild and use cheap, Chinese crap internally , we do not do that.We use only the best parts for our rebuilds I may be only $20 more expensive or so than the cheapest internet guy, but I stand by what I sell and you're getting the best product on the market. I expect to have my database of 45,000 vehicles up and running in 2-3 weeks.

What I want to do is offer some discounts to MG members to get the ball rolling. Get some feedback.

I know I'm a bit premature on this post, my website is still a bit under construction, matching up injectors to applications is a huge task. However, I am situated to to take credit cards, and pay pal and can ship. My site is currently a couple weeks out to completion, but can be found at www.injectorsplus.com.

I'll offer fairly substantial discounts, meaning I'll actually take a loss, for the first few orders here.

I would like to talk to some of the motor, intake, forced air guys here about putting together sets for them. Currently we provide sets for one of the best known forced air guys on the market. We do about 50 sets a month with them.

I appreciate your time and hope we can support your racing efforts.

Please email to john@injectorsplus.com or call at 201-258-5600. Thanks

[Leedom]

Welcome to the site. I am not in need of injectors but when I do I will be sure to contact you. What is the lifespan of an injector btw? Is it more of a measurement of years, miles, what?

[jsup]

Welcome to the site. I am not in need of injectors but when I do I will be sure to contact you. What is the lifespan of an injector btw? Is it more of a measurement of years, miles, what?

Thanks for the welcome. I joined a while ago because there are some familiar names here. Good guys. I do more reading than posting.

The new gas is killing some injectors. Time will kill them too. If you get rebuilds you have to ensure they are fresh. We either build to order, or have a two week inventory. If injectors sit they will get funny and not run right.

For toys that are stored, like boats, bikes can get funny. If you mix car pump gas, and marine gas, there is a tendency to gel. There were a lot of problems with clogging fuel filters, and of course, injectors.

Injectors are a lot like valve springs, a fresh set can really change the characteristics of the motor for the better.

[BRUTAL64]

I book marked the Web page. I will let people know about this. :thumbs_up::drink:

[jsup]

I book marked the Web page. I will let people know about this. :thumbs_up::drink:

Thanks Brutal, I knew there was a reason I always liked you.....:bigthumbsup:

(yeah I'm a kiss ass)

[BRUTAL64]

Thanks Brutal, I knew there was a reason I always liked you.....:bigthumbsup:

(yeah I'm a kiss ass)

You better wipe that brown spot off your nose. :p


I've always thought you had some smarts, so it's not a problem to recommend you to people that will need your services. :bigthumbsup:

I've stayed away from Injection cause I can't find a set up that looks simular to my dual quads. :rolleyes2:

[Vettezuki]

Thanks for the welcome. I joined a while ago because there are some familiar names here. Good guys. I do more reading than posting.

The new gas is killing some injectors. Time will kill them too. If you get rebuilds you have to ensure they are fresh. We either build to order, or have a two week inventory. If injectors sit they will get funny and not run right.

For toys that are stored, like boats, bikes can get funny. If you mix car pump gas, and marine gas, there is a tendency to gel. There were a lot of problems with clogging fuel filters, and of course, injectors.

Injectors are a lot like valve springs, a fresh set can really change the characteristics of the motor for the better.

Define funny. Does that mean hardening of plastics or something? Do they recover with use (like getting lubed) or do they get actually damaged by sitting around too long?

What about additives, namely Torco. I run a Torco mix, about 1 quart to 15 gallons. Their formula is a black box, but holly hell does it acutally raise octane.

I'll be in the market for a set later this year or next winter depending on which direction I go with the motor, and oh yeah, money. If the tree-huggers get their way and put E85 stations all over I'm seriously considering to go bat sh*t crazy with like a 13:1 383 stroker. :pot_stir:

[big_G]

I know what you mean by not wanting to work for a boss..hell, 23 years in business here myself. I run 65 lb injectors sold by FAST. Can they be modified to flow maybe 75 or 80? I am getting close to 90% duty cycle at max power..

[jsup]

Define funny. Does that mean hardening of plastics or something? Do they recover with use (like getting lubed) or do they get actually damaged by sitting around too long?

What about additives, namely Torco. I run a Torco mix, about 1 quart to 15 gallons. Their formula is a black box, but holly hell does it acutally raise octane.

I'll be in the market for a set later this year or next winter depending on which direction I go with the motor, and oh yeah, money. If the tree-huggers get their way and put E85 stations all over I'm seriously considering to go bat sh*t crazy with like a 13:1 383 stroker. :pot_stir:


When an injector is rebuilt, cheap materials are used, and they are not stored correctly, the car won't idle right, won't accelerate right, etc.... The baskets can start to form rust, on the cheap ones for example.

Hence "funny". I manifests itself in different ways.

Some companies buy rebuilt from a third party in bulk and it will sit on the self for months. Injectors do have a shelf life. We keep an inventory that gets cycled every 2 weeks of the popular sizes. We fill our injectors with storage fluid to avoid these problems

[jsup]

I know what you mean by not wanting to work for a boss..hell, 23 years in business here myself. I run 65 lb injectors sold by FAST. Can they be modified to flow maybe 75 or 80? I am getting close to 90% duty cycle at max power..

I will check with my engineer tomorrow. My initial answer is yes. If I can, we get $25-30 depending on the injector. I think a better move would be to consider our rebuilds since we flow match them. I can't flow match your current ones since they are, by definition, your injectors.

It may take 20 injectors to match 8. If I only have 8, there's little hope they will all match. Plus the rebuilds get the lifetime warranty.

[WagonSleeps]

i would be interested to be running 2 different maps on my car.

e85= race map setup
91 pump=map

forced induction imports welcome here???

what size injectors would be sufficient enough to run a e85 map??

taking a quick peep inside this thread. ill have my eye on it.

[jsup]

i would be interested to be running 2 different maps on my car.

e85= race map setup
91 pump=map

forced induction imports welcome here???

what size injectors would be sufficient enough to run a e85 map??

taking a quick peep inside this thread. ill have my eye on it.

We do a lot of work for imports. We modify injectors to numerous applications.

All our injectors will work with E85 except for the older Bosch style, which is not good for your application anyway. The difference is the flow rate. Gasoline is a .73 Specific Gravity, Alchol is .68 so it's not that different.

I can make up to 2200 CC flow rates for the imports, no problem. You should be able to get away with the same injector for both, just changing the pulse with and duty cycle slightly.

Forced induction depending on boost can be from 900-1600CC, you can go to our website and use the calculator on our website to determine size, or give me some parameters of the motor and we can come up with a solution.

Thanks for asking.

[Shelton_Barrs]

I know what you mean by not wanting to work for a boss..hell, 23 years in business here myself. I run 65 lb injectors sold by FAST. Can they be modified to flow maybe 75 or 80? I am getting close to 90% duty cycle at max power..

John (Jsup) asked me to reply to you. The FAST Injectors can be modified to flow 75-80lbs but they are the older style injector. The better solution would be to get a set of our rebuilds that the newer style Bosch III. These are rebuilt, flow matched and carry the lifetime warranty and we can do them for the same price, $199, as modifying yours. And this way you only pay shipping one way instead of two ways so its even cheaper.

If we can be of any help just let us know,
Shelton
www.injectorsplus.com

[big_G]

John (Jsup) asked me to reply to you. The FAST Injectors can be modified to flow 75-80lbs but they are the older style injector. The better solution would be to get a set of our rebuilds that the newer style Bosch III. These are rebuilt, flow matched and carry the lifetime warranty and we can do them for the same price, $199, as modifying yours. And this way you only pay shipping one way instead of two ways so its even cheaper.

If we can be of any help just let us know,
Shelton
www.injectorsplus.com

Older style?...please explain. They are about 1 year old. Are the Bosch III injectors low impedance? Thanks, Gary.

[jsup]

Older style?...please explain. They are about 1 year old. Are the Bosch III injectors low impedance? Thanks, Gary.

When I went to their website, they pictured Bosch II design. Bosch III and the newer EV14s are both high impedance. If they are a year old, could have sold you older Bosch IIs.

Typically all injectors are high impedance until you hit 60LBS. Then they go low impedance. The motors in the injector can not over come more than 60 lbs at high impedance.

Now, I understand your motor is a monster, so what are you running now? If your ECU supports low impedance, we can go that route. I need to know what you have, to determine what you need. I suspect with your large motor, you may require low impedance.

Those also can look like the 160s from Bosch, which have a similar design from an aesthetic view.

[Vettezuki]

What is the ideal duty cycle range for WOT? I know you just don't want to oversize injectors to your engine too much, I guess mostly because it will be difficult to tune a proper A/F. BUt is 80-90% at WOT ok? That's about where I'm at (according to some data logging during some runs).

[jsup]

What is the ideal duty cycle range for WOT? I know you just don't want to oversize injectors to your engine too much, I guess mostly because it will be difficult to tune a proper A/F. BUt is 80-90% at WOT ok? That's about where I'm at (according to some data logging during some runs).

We like to spec at 80-85%. This leaves some room for overhead because as you know, there is ALWAYS another mod down the road. Some will tell you 90-95% but I prefer to err on the side of caution.

Our webiste is shaping up, the database guy is doing his thing, and we expect to be fully functional in two weeks (fingers crossed) in the interim, feel free to email or PM me with questions, or just post them here.

Thanks.

[Vettezuki]

How much would a set of injectors cost for a BMW 5.0L V12?

[BlacknBoostn]

650cc for a dodge neon SRT-4??

[Damian]

We like to spec at 80-85%. This leaves some room for overhead because as you know, there is ALWAYS another mod down the road. Some will tell you 90-95% but I prefer to err on the side of caution.

I was about to say 80-85%. My current setup is about 82-83% on my Eclipse with the bigger injectors. Its much smoother now than it used to be.

[SeanPlunk]

I was about to say 80-85%. My current setup is about 82-83% on my Eclipse with the bigger injectors. Its much smoother now than it used to be.

Damian,

Perhaps you'll need to start another thread but tell us about the Eclipse :D

[Damian]

Damian,

Perhaps you'll need to start another thread but tell us about the Eclipse :D

A new thread about the Eclipse? I dont need a whole thread to tell you its a money pit.:laugh:

[jsup]

Hey Guys,

I have been slammed working on the business. We are expanding our entire line to include everything performance and fuel related. From fuel pumps to injectors including throttle bodies, intakes, fuel fittings in all sizes and colors, braided fuel lines, etc. THere's over 800 part numbers for fuel fittings alone. Keep an eye on the website over the next couple weeks!

I'll have pricing tomorrow on the injectors both the V12 and the 650s.

Regards,

John

[BlacknBoostn]

Hey Guys,

I have been slammed working on the business. We are expanding our entire line to include everything performance and fuel related. From fuel pumps to injectors including throttle bodies, intakes, fuel fittings in all sizes and colors, braided fuel lines, etc. THere's over 800 part numbers for fuel fittings alone. Keep an eye on the website over the next couple weeks!

I'll have pricing tomorrow on the injectors both the V12 and the 650s.

Regards,

John

Sick! Thanks jon, injectors and a tune will pretty much max my stock turbo and that's the way I'm keepin it for now...

[jsup]

Thanks, I'm also working on a series of exclusive articles by guys like Steve Johnson, (Induction Solutions) who will write about FI and NOS. Pat Barnhill on forced air and injection (PTP), Chris Uratchko (engine builder) on the impact of injection on racing, Justin Rhodes (sprint car builder) injection and circle track stuff. Etc....we're working on articles by them exclusive to I+.

We will be featured in racing magazine this month, a couple of our cars will be in Hot Rod magazine, and we were asked to participate with a project car for a publication. I have a TON going on.....all will be settled soon......I hope.:huh:

Thanks for the comments guys, if it's fuel related, and it's performance, we're going to be the resource...

[jsup]

650cc for a dodge neon SRT-4??

PM SENT this morning.

[big2bird]

I wish you the best of luck John. I'll refer to you when I can.

[jsup]

I wish you the best of luck John. I'll refer to you when I can.

Thanks, you can work with Doug, he's my west coast guy. I have about 7 guys around the country to deal with local people. I know you and Doug are friends, so help him where you can.

I appreciate the thought.

[big2bird]

I know you and Doug are friends, so help him where you can.


More than I already do? Oh Christ.

[jsup]

Ford/LSX Guys, I just did a deal with ACCUFAB for throttle bodies. Arguably the best throttle body on the market. Clearly the choice of racers running four digit HP. These are the guys who build for Ford Racing.

For the older cars I have available Perfect Parts for throttle bodies. Less expensive, but good parts. LT1/L98 type stuff.

[BRIAN]

I need a set of six 550cc injector cleaned and flow tested. How much is each injector and where do I ship too or drop off?

Your PM box is full.....

[jsup]

I need a set of six 550cc injector cleaned and flow tested. How much is each injector and where do I ship too or drop off?

Your PM box is full.....


To clean, test, and provide a flow sheet, it is $25 per injector. The turn around time is one day plus shipping in both directions.

You can go to this link.
http://injectorsplus.com/customform.asp

Please excuse the site, we're almost done. Lots of upgrades and new products coming. I appreciate the business.

I have to ask management for more space in my box...:D


Thank you.

John

[jsup]

Im just going to go ahead and replace the ICM.. my fuel injectors might be the cause of my mis p0300,p0200 codes

where can i get a good name brand for these 2 items??

Need details on the application. I looked in your profile there's nothing there.

[Boosten ya]

Do you make direct injection injectors for the mazdaspeed 3? I know no one else does.

[heypal]

If anyone is wondering how they are...INJECTORS PLUS FTMFW. Amazing customer service, great prices and detail to work. I can't say enough good things about them.

[Boosten ya]

If anyone is wondering how they are...INJECTORS PLUS FTMFW. Amazing customer service, great prices and detail to work. I can't say enough good things about them.

Heypal no one asked for your opinion lol jk. Thanks. I hope they can help us DI guys lol

[AARP]

If this guy still hangs around on this site, any chance you build something like the RX7 550cc injectors? I need to upgrade my miata injectors eventually.

[Vettezuki]

I hit John up on FB too. They rebuilt my injectors and they da bomb.

[Boosten ya]

Hey Josh, I was traveling and just got back, sorry for the delayed response. Let me look at this tomorrow and see if I can do anything. John

Got this email today. hopefully there is some luck for us.

[jsup]

Do you make direct injection injectors for the mazdaspeed 3? I know no one else does.

Over the past week we have tried a number of different things and have come to the conclusion that there is no way we can modify these DFI injectors. You can go with the 8 cyl version they have a bit more flow, but as far as being able to make something up, we are stumped.

I'm sorry for the delay, but we wanted to test everything we can think of and we didn't come up with anything useful.

These DFI engines are going to change the face of performance, I'm interested to see where it goes, but I can promise, it's not going to be cheap. I think that standard MPI type systems are going to stay the norm for performance for a while longer.

Regards,

John