Truck debate.

[BADDASSC6]

Well I am having some debates. I am buying a 24' enclosed trailer to tow and store the vette and all my racing equipment. I currently have a 2003 Dodge ram 1500 quad cab with 109,000 miles. It has a 8300 lbm tow rating. It is enough, but just barely. Also I just had to replace the transmission valve body $1.2K.

1) 3-1 year old 2500s are for sale now at $ $25-35K depending on diesel and 4wd. I can get $8k for my truck if I sell it $6.5K on a trade in.

2) I can order a Edlebrock intake, headers, cold air intake, and cat back for $1K from summit and install it to help it deal with the weight of the car and trailer.

The other question for the truck guys is diesel? 15-25% increase in fuel efficiency is offset by the increased cost of the truck and the higher cost of the fuel. So cost wise if not advantageous. Is the extra torque that useful? Would you do it again? I will not be modifying or racing the truck. It will be my daily driver and tow rig.

Please chime in unless you a fucking idiot or have never towed anything or owned a truck before.:pot_stir:

[Leedom]

Carlos,

I have owned a truck my entire driving career and while I have not towed really heavy loads I have done a little towing. I have the small V8 in my F-150 and have moved a few times and definitely felt the trailer behind me. Since you seem to race a decent amount and I would recommend the diesel. No, I have never owned one, but the strain of towing at the limit of what your truck can do is not something I would not do on a consistent basis. Think about the strain on the engine and trans. Why not maybe spend a little more money and get something that is more designed to tow heavier loads? The diesel will last forever before a rebuild is in order and with your 1500 how long will that engine and trans hold up to the towing? I am from the school of... "I would rather have to much than not enough" and while your truck might have enough the bigger truck would have a much better capacity to tow for you.

Why not look at something that is a few years older and help reduce the truck cost? I had been recently looking at a diesel and the 2000 to 2003 (7.3L) F-250s are in the teens with mileage below 200K. I am sure that Dodge and Chevy have the same price range for trucks that old as well. Just a though.

[Vettezuki]

When God said, "let there be diesel trucks" he was referring specifically to you towing a race trailer. The wave of torque that comes on right off throttle cannot be over estimated. My parents have a Dodge with the Cummins and large horse trailer loaded with horses was probably something like your trailer setup (maybe a bit more). Prior to the diesel it was pulled, barely, by a Dodge with the 360. The diesel pulled it like it wasn't there hardly. Additionally the construction of the diesel engines is more of an industrial use nature. There isn't a reason in the world you couldn't push 500,000 miles on a well maintained diesel, though I don't know much about the Ford setup. I'd go diesel for sure, maintain it, and probably drive it for the next 30 years, at which point its total value is pretty high.

[Chuck]

If you have the money and are going to get a new to you truck anyway. Get a diesel no question it is worth every penny of the 6-9k extra your going to pay. That being said if your not going to get the new truck and want to stick with the old one tow away buddy. I obviously am bias to diesels but for good reason they are great motors like Vettezuki said a maintained diesel will last you many years/miles.

Okay the big three thats totally up to you Dodge 6 cyl Cummins great truck, Arguably the best diesel motor of them all king cab offers the most room in the rear seats. The Ford 8 cyl Power stroke is good for off road but also offers the worst ride quality (kinda like a roller skate) for a DD my last choice and the trans is among the worst IMHO. The Chevy 8 cyl Duramax my choice for the best ride, best trans (Allison) and I just happen to be a Chevy guy. Oh and it dose great off road yes I use my truck. Oh yeah I almost forgot about towing I tow my parents 32 foot travel trailer like it doesn't even exist.

Best of luck to you whatever your choice.
:drink:
Chuck

[94cobra69ss396]

I have to agree with everyone else about getting a diesel. I've towed with both gas and diesel. When I tow the Chevelle on our 18ft open trailer I really feel it. For steep grades I have to drop it down into 2nd and can only do 50. My dad has a 2009 3500 with the Duramax and he tows his 26ft enclosed trailer like it's not even there. If you are interested in a new Chevy, talk to Throttle Crazy. He got my dad a really good deal on his.

[enkeivette]

My friend has an 06 or 07 Silverado 2500. And I love that Diesel motor. You can tell instantly from the torque that it's a world apart from a gas motor.

Here's the thing about Diesel, when we had that gas crisis about a year ago and it was hovering around $5, part of the reason it got so expensive was that a lot of oil refineries in the U.S. started making diesel instead of gas, to supply the big rigs. So now, the cost of Diesel will not fluxuate like the cost of gas.

We've towed my jet skiis with the Diesel and you can't even feel them. My friend even overloaded a trailer once with brick and dirt till the point were the tires blew, couldn't feel the weight of that either. Diesels were made to tow. If you buy a 2500 you won't need headers, etc. It's good to go out of the box.


P.S. I saw a trailered C6 on the way to SF last weekend. It was siiick. It was flared out with a big C6R wing. If you upgrade your rims you need to flare it out at the same time. :judge: Especially now that it sounds like this thing has become a race car.

[BADDASSC6]

Thanks for the input. I think you guys are right. My old trailer was a 16ft open steel carson car carrier and my truck did a ok job with it, but not stellar. It would drop down to second the steep inclines up to Bakersfield and Phoenix. The new trailer is going to be SO much bigger and heavier that I worry. Anyways I am in the market for a newer or brand new 2500 4x4 turbo diesel. Preferably one on the east cost. Ron can your brother get me a deal on a truck in Connecticut?

The corvette will be done this week. It not a race car yet, but I've been wondering how much longer I can keep running it until it will need a cage:(. It's one of those things where I can come in 2cd or 3rd all day, but will not be winning until I drop serious weight.

[94cobra69ss396]

Ron can your brother get me a deal on a truck in Connecticut?

I don't think he could. He works for Crest Chevrolet in San Bernardino so if he can do anything it would be through them. Shoot him a PM and I'll talk to him about it. They might have one in their pre-owned lot.

[Vettezuki]

Thanks for the input. I think you guys are right. My old trailer was a 16ft open steel carson car carrier and my truck did a ok job with it, but not stellar. It would drop down to second the steep inclines up to Bakersfield and Phoenix. The new trailer is going to be SO much bigger and heavier that I worry. Anyways I am in the market for a newer or brand new 2500 4x4 turbo diesel. Preferably one on the east cost. Ron can your brother get me a deal on a truck in Connecticut?

The corvette will be done this week. It not a race car yet, but I've been wondering how much longer I can keep running it until it will need a cage:(. It's one of those things where I can come in 2cd or 3rd all day, but will not be winning until I drop serious weight.

I thought you were coming back to Cali? If you just need help getting the Vette back here, I can fly out and drive it back for you. I'm helpful like that. :)

[BADDASSC6]

I am going back to Cali. I am currently in Connecticut. I sold my trailer and plan on trailering the vette back in June. I found a awesome 2008 F-250 King ranch with 18K for $40K. It has a beautiful interior and has the HO diesel with 4x4. I would trade in my truck and drop like $4K and finance the rest.

[Vettezuki]

I am going back to Cali. I am currently in Connecticut. I sold my trailer and plan on trailering the vette back in June. I found a awesome 2008 F-250 King ranch with 18K for $40K. It has a beautiful interior and has the HO diesel with 4x4. I would trade in my truck and drop like $4K and finance the rest.

Well if that doesn't work out, I'm here for you.

[Throttle Crazy]

I am going back to Cali. I am currently in Connecticut. I sold my trailer and plan on trailering the vette back in June. I found a awesome 2008 F-250 King ranch with 18K for $40K. It has a beautiful interior and has the HO diesel with 4x4. I would trade in my truck and drop like $4K and finance the rest.

If I were you I would look into all the engine and trans. problems Ford is having with the 6.2L and 6.4L diesel engines. Ford has had a tough time with diesel engines. The 7.3L Power Stroke worked great and from there it went down hill. I have a couple friends that work for Ford and they tell me that the 6.4L is having more trouble than the 6.0L did. I guess they are coming out with a new engine and trans. again. I love the body style and straight axle though.The Dodge Cummins diesel is a great engine and the Duramax is also a great engine but it got much better after 06. The Chevrolet will drive and feel more smooth, the others drive more like a heavy truck. We have very little problems with the newer Duramax engines and almost no problems with the Allison trans. If I were going to buy a diesel I would buy a low milege 07 old body style Duramax. I am not a big fan of Chevrolets new truck body(late 07 and up), they are still a great truck if you like the body style. There are advantages to the new body style Duramax trucks such as factory back up cameras and media systems and Oh yea, lets not forget about 660ft-lbs torque. If you plan on this truck for an everyday driver you will more than likely want a quiet engine and a smooth ride. If you don't mind alot of engine noise and a heavy truck feel the Dodge is also a great truck. Thats my biased input.

[Chuck]

If I were you I would look into all the engine and trans. problems Ford is having with the 6.2L and 6.4L diesel engines. Ford has had a tough time with diesel engines. The 7.3L Power Stroke worked great and from there it went down hill. I have a couple friends that work for Ford and they tell me that the 6.4L is having more trouble than the 6.0L did. I guess they are coming out with a new engine and trans. again. I love the body style and straight axle though.The Dodge Cummins diesel is a great engine and the Duramax is also a great engine but it got much better after 06. The Chevrolet will drive and feel more smooth, the others drive more like a heavy truck. We have very little problems with the newer Duramax engines and almost no problems with the Allison trans. If I were going to buy a diesel I would buy a low milege 07 old body style Duramax. I am not a big fan of Chevrolets new truck body(late 07 and up), they are still a great truck if you like the body style. There are advantages to the new body style Duramax trucks such as factory back up cameras and media systems and Oh yea, lets not forget about 660ft-lbs torque. If you plan on this truck for an everyday driver you will more than likely want a quiet engine and a smooth ride. If you don't mind alot of engine noise and a heavy truck feel the Dodge is also a great truck. Thats my biased input.


:iagree: Although thats kinda what I already said. Id go with the Duramax for the daily driver for ride quality alone its worth the extra cash. If you want to try one out ill lend you mine for the day come to Cali and tow something with it you will never look back.

Chuck

[enkeivette]

I've been in both, Duramax FTW. I'd rather be Duramaxin than Strokin... That's doesn't work aswell without Cummins.

[Vettezuki]

If I were you I would look into all the engine and trans. problems Ford is having with the 6.2L and 6.4L diesel engines. Ford has had a tough time with diesel engines. The 7.3L Power Stroke worked great and from there it went down hill. I have a couple friends that work for Ford and they tell me that the 6.4L is having more trouble than the 6.0L did. I guess they are coming out with a new engine and trans. again. I love the body style and straight axle though.The Dodge Cummins diesel is a great engine and the Duramax is also a great engine but it got much better after 06. The Chevrolet will drive and feel more smooth, the others drive more like a heavy truck. We have very little problems with the newer Duramax engines and almost no problems with the Allison trans. If I were going to buy a diesel I would buy a low milege 07 old body style Duramax. I am not a big fan of Chevrolets new truck body(late 07 and up), they are still a great truck if you like the body style. There are advantages to the new body style Duramax trucks such as factory back up cameras and media systems and Oh yea, lets not forget about 660ft-lbs torque. If you plan on this truck for an everyday driver you will more than likely want a quiet engine and a smooth ride. If you don't mind alot of engine noise and a heavy truck feel the Dodge is also a great truck. Thats my biased input.

It's too bad the Cummins in the Dodge didn't get the Allison. One of the earlier problems was the transmissions, which came from gas trucks wouldn't hold up over time. I think that's been solved and they're good, just not quite as heavy-duty as the Allison. Also, I can attest to the industrial nature of the Dodge Cummins trucks. It is pretty damned loud, you know you're driving a diesel. But like I said, those engines are good for hundreds of thousands of miles of real use.

I'd probably go Duramax Chevy too if I were in your shoes.

[Chuck]

People make super trucks out of the Cummins motor Allison trans and fords body and drive train makes a loud rough tough truck.

[Throttle Crazy]

It's too bad the Cummins in the Dodge didn't get the Allison. One of the earlier problems was the transmissions, which came from gas trucks wouldn't hold up over time. I think that's been solved and they're good, just not quite as heavy-duty as the Allison. Also, I can attest to the industrial nature of the Dodge Cummins trucks. It is pretty damned loud, you know you're driving a diesel. But like I said, those engines are good for hundreds of thousands of miles of real use.

I'd probably go Duramax Chevy too if I were in your shoes.

When I worked for Mark Christopher Chevrolet we had an engineer from D-MAX out to look at an engine problem I had found. We were looking at a Duramax that I had the pistons out of, I was commenting on the size of the crankshaft journals and how robuste the internals of the motor were. He told me that they had designed the engine to run 1,000,000 miles. i have seen several including our parts truck with over 500,000 on them. Thats with power up devices out of the picture.

[BADDASSC6]

Thanks for all the good info guys. I will see where I end up. My buddy told me the same thing about the Ford diesels. He sells used cars on e-bay s($2m gross annual) so he knows his shit. He told me my truck goes for $6.5K (my truck has been paid off for years) at dealer wholesale auction and that ford is going for $35K. So $38k is what he would let that truck go for. WIth that said, I could give them my truck plus cash and finance ~$30K out the door with taxes and tags.

I have to see what is going on with everything in my life. I have a lot of significant purchases all happening at the same time. Basically, I'm buying a condo downtown SD, a new trailer, and maybe a new truck around the same time. I was silly enough to think that I would be off of Ramon noodles after paying the vette motor.

The good thing is that EVERYTHING is cheap right now and I have cash.

[Leedom]

I am going back to Cali. I am currently in Connecticut. I sold my trailer and plan on trailering the vette back in June. I found a awesome 2008 F-250 King ranch with 18K for $40K. It has a beautiful interior and has the HO diesel with 4x4. I would trade in my truck and drop like $4K and finance the rest.

Awesome! The blue oval is kicking A$$ and taking names right now! I like this. Those King Ranches are loaded trucks and nice as hell.

2008 6.4L Power Stroke 350@3,000 (hp) & 650@2,000 (ft/lb)

Oh Yeah!

[enkeivette]

Leedom, toting a Ford? No. :)

[Chuck]

:pAwesome! The blue oval is kicking A$$ and taking names right now! I like this. Those King Ranches are loaded trucks and nice as hell.

2008 6.4L Power Stroke:poo: 350@3,000 (hp) & 650@2,000 (ft/lb)

Oh Yeah!:barf:

Okay I fixed it.:p

[BADDASSC6]

Seriously, it's like you can buy any 2008 for less than $35k. I get the vette back this week. I will be posting my truck for sale on E-bay after that and buying a new truck.

-The Fords have a MUCH better interior than any other truck, but I have heard from several people about the 6.4 having issues. Seriously, it has a better interior than my buddies E350 or his 996TT.

-The Dodge's have the Cumming's and they just look mean. I haven't heard any issues with them at all. I haven't been happy with the reliability of my 1500. It's a 2003 and I already had to replace the transmission Valve body, water pump, power steering pump, O2 sensors, shocks, 1 key fob, the driver seat motor, and finally 1 power window switch. Also my Dash is starting to crack:bang:. I would hate to buy a truck with a 1000000 mile drive train and I am dying to get rid of it at the 100k point because the interior is fucked.

-The Duramax will probably get my vote. I'm going to try to whore myself to Chevrolet dealers for some sponsorship money for racing. Also have the lowest ownership cost. I have been happy with the reliability of the vette:lmfao:. I rape it like a 14 year old girl at the Puerto Rican Day Parade, but at 33K I have gone through:
8 sets of tires
too many brake pads to count
6 sets of rotors
1 driver seat back
1 clutch slave cylinder
3 sets of rims
1 top end motor upgrade
1 complete new motor
2 cat back exhaust
1 tire pressure monitor failure
everything in the suspension except the A arms, bushings and rear sway bar.
1 front fender

The reality was that I was solid in 2nd place last year until the mechanical failures took me out last year.

[Vettezuki]

. . .

-The Dodge's have the Cumming's and they just look mean. I haven't heard any issues with them at all.

It's what me mum has. There are no issues with them as they're basically an industrial application engine. Note however, they are LOUD, and I don't mean in a pretty way unless you like the sound of a big rig. Duramax is probably the best overall choice and like you said, maybe some sponsorship options. :huh:

[enkeivette]

I rape it like a 14 year old girl at the Puerto Rican Day Parade

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[Leedom]

Honestly, you could not go wrong with any of them. Style wise I think Ford is the best. Suspension = Ford. Engine probably Chevy, Tranny = Chevy. The only one I would not want is a Dodge personally, not sure I could bring myself to buy a Chevy though.

[enkeivette]

Honestly, you could not go wrong with any of them. Style wise I think Ford is the best. Suspension = Ford. Engine probably Chevy, Tranny = Chevy. The only one I would not want is a Dodge personally, not sure I could bring myself to buy a Chevy though.

When you see a bare SBF next to a bare SBC, you'll lose some of your prejudice, like I did.

[Vettezuki]

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We don't really do anything well. We just "do"

[enkeivette]

We don't really do anything well. We just "do"

We're going to paint the snake this summer Ben. I can feel it.

[Vettezuki]

We're going to paint the snake this summer Ben. I can feel it.

Hopefully we get a little further than that. It's all about the scrilla.

[enkeivette]

Hopefully we get a little further than that. It's all about the scrilla.

What's up with the blower? Same story?

[BADDASSC6]

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Ben,
This would be a great time for that vagina smiley.
Best regards,
CNJ

[Leedom]

When you see a bare SBF next to a bare SBC, you'll lose some of your prejudice, like I did.

My main prejudice is styling. If it were enigines I would be a Chevy guy, they have always had better gas mileage and power (until now anyway).

[Vettezuki]

What's up with the blower? Same story?

The blower is actually about 75% repaired. My uncles shop got so busy they had to move to another location. I should check with them again. There's one small poart they'll have to actually remanufacture.

[enkeivette]

My main prejudice is styling. If it were enigines I would be a Chevy guy, they have always had better gas mileage and power (until now anyway).

:).

[Chuck]

Engine probably Chevy, Tranny = Chevy. I could bring myself to buy a Chevy though.

I love fixing your posts:jester: