[enkeivette]

Deal breaker for you maybe, but my phone is as fast as my laptop. And I dont know about you and your line of work, but I dont do many bandwidth tests on my phone on an average day. Video downloading is about as extreme as I get

Then again, we're arguig about the subjective value of 100 to 200 dollars. Which is very diferent for someone that has worked for the past 7 years, than for someone who has been in school for the past 7 years. So, maybe the technology bragging rights would be well worth it for Ben, you are closer to a financial equal with him than I am...

[SeanPlunk]

Originally Posted by enkeivette

Deal breaker for you maybe, but my phone is as fast as my laptop. And I dont know about you and your line of work, but I dont do many bandwidth tests on my phone on an average day. Video downloading is about as extreme as I get

We're not talking some tiny little improvement. We're talking about 7x to 40x as fast for data speeds. This is a bigger difference than 56k to DSL or Cable. Trust me, you would notice and never want to go back.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by enkeivette

Im a fan of the iPhone. I have a 4 and the gps always has worked for me, only thing I dont like is that I have to hit next for the next direction, it doesnt feed automatically.

Picture quality is great, speed is good, auto correct is anoying so I turned it off. Any phone you get you should put it in an otterbox, good for a 50 foot drop.

Another thing about the speed. I was debating whether it was worth it to spend another 100 for the 4s, so I went to a verizon store, took a 4 and a 4s and loaded the same youtube video at the same time... they played at exactly the same time. Reality is, 4g service is limited to where there is a 4g tower, otherwise youre 3g at best, and most things online are prob limited by the server on the other end, not your bandwidth or your processor. Id wait till the 5 comes out and get a 4, theyll prob give them away like they did with the 3s.

...I would have gone for a 3 if I could have gotten one for less than my phone was. But I got this 32g one for $117 at frys. Go to frys, theyre usually the cheapest.

I suggest WAZE. Free spoken turn by turn gps with auto redirect, speed indication and live traffic updates. Much better than standard gps on maps.

[enkeivette]

I was fine with a non smart phone up until I lost it 2 months ago. And Ill be fine with this one till I lose it or it breaks, trust me. My 5 year old laptop still works good too. Im not the kind of guy to go out and spend 2k on a mac book pro.

Sort of like my Vette, a blower cam will buy me prob about an additional 80 hp, considering my110 lsa is blowing a lot of my boost out the exhaust. But who cares? What am I going to do with another 80hp? The same thing Id do with a phone that downloads faster than my comp... point at it and smile. What else could I do? Haha

[SeanPlunk]

Originally Posted by enkeivette

I was fine with a non smart phone up until I lost it 2 months ago. And Ill be fine with this one till I lose it or it breaks, trust me. My 5 year old laptop still works good too. Im not the kind of guy to go out and spend 2k on a mac book pro.

Sort of like my Vette, a blower cam will buy me prob about an additional 80 hp, considering my110 lsa is blowing a lot of my boost out the exhaust. But who cares? What am I going to do with another 80hp? The same thing Id do with a phone that downloads faster than my comp... point at it and smile. What else could I do? Haha

I would argue the extra 80hp and faster download speeds are worth it.

[blackax]

I do just fine with my ATT 3g. (7down 2 up) We don't need LTE speeds on our phones. If i want a fast connection i just connect to my home network (my cable is faster then LTE)

LTE is a huge jump for you VZ guys because your 3g is just so slow and there isn't an upgrade path for faster EVDO (VZ 3g tech)

[SeanPlunk]

Originally Posted by blackax

I do just fine with my ATT 3g. (7down 2 up) We don't need LTE speeds on our phones. If i want a fast connection i just connect to my home network (my cable is faster then LTE)

LTE is a huge jump for you VZ guys because your 3g is just so slow and there isn't an upgrade path for faster EVDO (VZ 3g tech)

I doubt you're consistently seeing 7 down with AT&T's 3g network, but with HSPA+ it is possible.

I hate the we don't need it argument. We also don't really need cars with over 100hp to get to and from places, but we do. You also don't "need" a smartphone. Why not go back to an old dumb phone that gets 3x the battery life?

[enkeivette]

Its not as simple as we dont need it, its a balancing argument. The 80hp would be worth the $300 to you, not to me. I dont want to drive a 100hp focus for 20k, Id pay the 40k for a cobra... but would I pay 200k for a gt40? No.

Similarly I had the option for the 4S and I went for the 4. I just dont care as much as you... This is not only relative to what we make but also subject to personal preference. Verizon had an offer for 4gigs of data a month if I went with a 4g android... I went with the slower iPhone and 3 gigs because I wanted the apple technology/ software. Im just not as concerned with capability as you are.

Another example is screen size, Id take an HTC hero over the iPhone if it was a comparable product. You want an even bigger screen.

Im wearing $200 rockin republic jeans (no I didnt pay that much) but Im guessing you dont even know what brand jeans you have on, nor do you care, nor would you spend more than $30 on a pair of jeans. Slacks maybe, jeans, doubt it.

You cant make the argument that everyone will regret not having purchased an LTE phone in 2 years, because the guy on the bus with a prepaid nokia probably isnt going to cry about it when they come out with 5g. Its all subjective and its all relative.

[Vettezuki]

Gentlemen, marginalism, that is all.

[blackax]

Originally Posted by SeanPlunk

I doubt you're consistently seeing 7 down with AT&T's 3g network, but with HSPA+ it is possible.

I hate the we don't need it argument. We also don't really need cars with over 100hp to get to and from places, but we do. You also don't "need" a smartphone. Why not go back to an old dumb phone that gets 3x the battery life?

HSPA+ is att 3g no matter how much that want to call it 4g its 3g. And i range from 4 to 7 out here in the IE.

I understand your "Dont need" hate, so let me put it this way. What can you do with LTE that makes your phone so much better?

Beside from tether to a laptop I can't see a good reason for it. You don't need it for streaming video, 3g can stream 720p (highest phone res as of right now.) or playing games or surfing the web.

I also feel that most people don't need more then 10Mbit connection at home. An i'm a network guy and love having access to 10Gbit pipes but i can do everything i want to do from a 10Mbit pipe