[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by BRIAN

Short and simple, it's a great oil from a group IV base stock containing PAO. In other words it's a true synthetic. They have great cold flow characteristics as well as op temp so good for a street machine. Take into account I'm generalizing here and not pointing at a single bottle.

I recall Sean said his Cobra asks for a 0W-20. There 0W-20 would run great in his car in that it will lubricate immediately on start up and take the pressures of hard pedal to the metal running for long periods of time withstanding plenty heat.

The only reason I would turn away is price, it's over 9 bucks a quart for 0W-20 and over 10 bucks for 0W-30 which is what I run. For that I would move over to Redline. Chucks discount might make it worthwhile though so over all GREAT STUFF

Competitive edge, meh, it's all down to the price. Differences are marginal at best.

OK price being equal, you break to Redline. Why?

[Chuck]

Some info I found about Amsoil

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[BRIAN]

Redline is a group V oil. Group V oils have the best additive packs available for pretty much any motor. These are the oils that withstand anything a street car can throw at them, with plenty of track time in the mix as well.

I'm not talking about Redline "race only oil" that's a whole different ball game.

Of course, many of us don't push our cars to the limit so even a group III oil would do the trick just fine. If I'm shelling out 10 bucks for a group IV oil I might as well jump on a group V oil if it's the same price but better for the unforgiving even if I'm not a heavy racer.

[SeanPlunk]

Originally Posted by BRIAN

Redline is a group V oil. Group V oils have the best additive packs available for pretty much any motor. These are the oils that withstand anything a street car can throw at them, with plenty of track time in the mix as well.

I'm not talking about Redline "race only oil" that's a whole different ball game.

Of course, many of us don't push our cars to the limit so even a group III oil would do the trick just fine. If I'm shelling out 10 bucks for a group IV oil I might as well jump on a group V oil if it's the same price but better for the unforgiving even if I'm not a heavy racer.

What is Royal Purple? I saw a chart somewhere that measured oil breakdown and I believe Royal Purple was the best?

[Chuck]

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[BRIAN]

I don't know that it's the best that's very hard to decide as all oils have a small advantage in different categories of testing and like I said before are marginal at best when compared to others in the same group base stock. Royal Purple is a PAO base stock oil so it's a group IV. Your not doing much by switching from one group IV oil to another. Your making a good difference between III to IV though. Group III's are all over the shelves of Autozones, Kragens, Pep boys.....etc. That why when those with group III's switch to group IV's they never look back.

[Vettezuki]

Who's group V other than Redline?

[BRIAN]

Royal Purple has some Group V oils, I think only in "race only" form as well as Amsoil. Amsoil actually uses some group V Ester technology in there group IV's. Others that are rare group V's is Motul, Fuchs Silkolene, Total Quartz, Pentosin.....never heard of these bad boys have ya. There are more but only those come to mind.

[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by BRIAN

Royal Purple has some Group V oils, I think only in "race only" form as well as Amsoil. Amsoil actually uses some group V Ester technology in there group IV's. Others that are rare group V's is Motul, Fuchs Silkolene, Total Quartz, Pentosin.....never heard of these bad boys have ya. There are more but only those come to mind.

Now we're getting to tweak head territory. Does anyone attempt to optimize characterestics of different Group V oils by blending them? Like 1Q Redline, 2Q Motul, etc. Pure curiosity.

[BRIAN]

My Lexus is almost due for a change, how much for 6 quarts of 0W-30 Chuck? PM if you like, might be worth the change. I plan to do an oil analysis 4k into it and post it up, the results should be good.

Originally Posted by Vettezuki

Now we're getting to tweak head territory. Does anyone attempt to optimize characterestics of different Group V oils by blending them? Like 1Q Redline, 2Q Motul, etc. Pure curiosity.

Well that's not actually a good idea as some additives from one oil to another can cause problems. There are people that have done so but they know EXACTLY the Frankenstein oil there pouring into their motors. What I "hear" is common is mixing group IV's with V's. Redline actually isn't all that great at handling fuel dilution, finding that one little additive to change that would be nice but would it create some chemical disturbance with another additive already present.........I have no freaking idea, that's out of my reach. I'll look into it for sure though, thanks for bringing that up.