[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396

I'm in no way saying that she/I were not at fault. But it was still an accident. Accident: NOUN: 1a. An unexpected and undesirable event. In my opinion even in the event of scenario A I still think he would have been irrate. I my industry I have met a lot of guys like this. Very rich driving Ferraris and Lambos. I know they would be irrate in either scenario. That's just the way they are, materialistic.

I don't like your definition.
accident: anything that happens suddenly or by chance without an apparent cause

Running over debris you couldn't see late at night causing a blowout. Accident
Failing to ever check your tires, running them bald, eventually leading to a blowout. Not an accident. Cause natural, known, and controllable.

Birds getting sucked into an engine. Accident
Engine failure that happened because of a part failure that was out of life cycle and not replaced because of corner cutting. Not an accident. Cause natural, known, and controllable.

Getting rear ended while blocked in. Accident.
Running off the road while driving too fast. Not an accident. Cause natural, known, and controllable.

As for the guys you describe, they just sound like irrational dirt bags. I've certainly known people in my life who behave the same and are poor. It's a personality type.

[Leedom]

Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396

Accident: NOUN: 1c. An instance of involuntary urination or defecation in one's clothing. Which also may apply for her when she felt the car start to slide. So it is possible that the incident resulted in 2 accidents.

Although I have to agree with Ben on this one. If some kids were racing down the street and hit someone and killed them they would be charged with murder, not manslaughter because they were in control of their autos and as such should not have been racing on the street. I am with you Ben. I would hand my keys to many of my friends and some people on here and expect them to have fun in my car but in no way be unsafe and crash it. I would probably be more mad that you disrespected me and pushed my car farther than you should have and farther than it could handle. Like Ben said, the car is not yours don't push it too far.

[BRUTAL64]

Originally Posted by Vettezuki

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As for the guys you describe, they just sound like irrational dirt bags. I've certainly known people in my life who behave the same and are poor. It's a personality type.

I call these males the "F" type. "F" = Fucked-up.

[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64

I called these males the "F" type. "F" = Fucked-up.

I think they're often spoiled brats and moma's boys where little Johnny can do no wrong. They grow up to be insufferable pricks sometimes.

[94cobra69ss396]

Originally Posted by Vettezuki

I don't like your definition.
accident: anything that happens suddenly or by chance without an apparent cause

Running over debris you couldn't see late at night causing a blowout. Accident
Failing to ever check your tires, running them bald, eventually leading to a blowout. Not an accident. Cause natural, known, and controllable.

Birds getting sucked into an engine. Accident
Engine failure that happened because of a part failure that was out of life cycle and not replaced because of corner cutting. Not an accident. Cause natural, known, and controllable.

Getting rear ended while blocked in. Accident.
Running off the road while driving too fast. Not an accident. Cause natural, known, and controllable.

As for the guys you describe, they just sound like irrational dirt bags. I've certainly known people in my life who behave the same and are poor. It's a personality type.

Okay. So let's go back to my accident. I was on the 605 heading North at the 210 West interchange. I was on the overpass at 120mph going through the turn without issue when I crossed an expansion joint which shocked the rearend causing it to slide. This is much like your first scenario. Had there not been an expansion joint the car would have gone through the corner without issue.

[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396

Okay. So let's go back to my accident. I was on the 605 heading North at the 210 West interchange. I was on the overpass at 120mph going through the turn without issue when I crossed an expansion joint which shocked the rearend causing it to slide. This is much like your first scenario. Had there not been an expansion joint the car would have gone through the corner without issue.

Nope. If you were driving at the speed posted on the overpass, probably not more than 55mph, you would have maintained control. And if you couldn't you probably shouldn't have had a license in the first place, but that's a different story. Your choice to drive at high speed altered the dynamics of the system. Your choice, not some cosmic randomness. IF you were driving at the posted speed at night and a tire or other massive debris was in the road causing you to loose control, then I'd say it was an accident from your point of view.

In the most hardcore point of view, mercilessly logical, even that would not be an accident in the total sense because there is no fundamental reason or excuse for there to be debris in the road way. In fact all parameters are, in the final analysis, controllable by human action.

You see where I'm going with this. The vast, vast majority of what we see as "accidents", failure, chaos is purely the result of human failure to exert control over the parameters of a system. Don't assign any emotional significance to the word "failure", I mean it in the purely logical sense.

[94cobra69ss396]

Originally Posted by Vettezuki

Nope. If you were driving at the speed posted on the overpass, probably not more than 55mph, you would have maintained control. And if you couldn't you probably shouldn't have had a license in the first place, but that's a different story. Your choice to drive at high speed altered the dynamics of the system. Your choice, not some cosmic randomness. IF you were driving at the posted speed at night and a tire or other massive debris was in the road causing you to loose control, then I'd say it was an accident from your point of view.

In the most hardcore point of view, mercilessly logical, even that would not be an accident in the total sense because there is no fundamental reason or excuse for there to be debris in the road way. In fact all parameters are, in the final analysis, controllable by human action.

You see where I'm going with this. The vast, vast majority of what we see as "accidents", failure, chaos is purely the result of human failure to exert control over the parameters of a system. Don't assign any emotional significance to the word "failure", I mean it in the purely logical sense.

So what you're saying is that the only way my accident would have been an accident is if I was driving the posted speed limit and a bird flying above suffered a heart attack and fell in the roadway just in front of me in which case I wouldn't have time to react and inadvertently ran it over causing me to lose control and crash? However, I guess that also could be seen as not an accident since someone posted a sign determining what an appropriate speed for that interchange was and they could have been wrong so the crash could have been averted if I was only going the safe speed of 10mph instead of the unsafe posted speed of 55.

[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396

So what you're saying is that the only way my accident would have been an accident is if I was driving the posted speed limit and a bird flying above suffered a heart attack and fell in the roadway just in front of me in which case I wouldn't have time to react and inadvertently ran it over causing me to lose control and crash?

Basically correct.

However, I guess that also could be seen as not an accident since someone posted a sign determining what an appropriate speed for that interchange was and they could have been wrong so the crash could have been averted if I was only going the safe speed of 10mph instead of the unsafe posted speed of 55.

Scare Crow.

[94cobra69ss396]

I'd still rather have her as an employee than him as a boss.

[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396

I'd still rather have her as an employee than him as a boss.

She just made an understandable, though expensive mistake. He sounds like a bit of a jerk. I'd agree.