[joedls]

Originally Posted by enkeivette

My point isn't that size trumps skill. My point is that size does matter. I was only defending against the statement that 'size doesn't matter if you know how to fight.'

I aver that beefcake Guy now at 200 lbs would kick Guy's twins ass at 160 lbs. It's hard for me to describe what I mean other than simply arguing that size does matter, at least usually, because it depends on context. Like, in the video, there's a smaller skilled fighter put up against a fictional WWF fighter. The smaller dude obviously is quicker, but skill or no skill, its harder for him to move a tree stump.

So my point isn't that size trumps skill or vice versa, my point is that EVERYTHING matters... we don't live in a box.

I'm still confused about your point, but I agree that size and strength CAN
matter. But that video only proved to me that the smaller, more skilled guy would have eventually beaten the big guy. The big guy was gassing. The smaller guy would have continued to dance around the big guy, attacked his body when he could, and worn him down until he broke. Then the smaller guy would have gone in for the kill. And the larger guy wouldn't have been able to do much. The problem with being that big and carrying that much muscle is that all of those muscles require oxygen. It's hard for a guy that big to last in a very long fight. They have to go for the kill early or they have problems.

Also, if they weren't just playing around, McGregor would have kicked that big dude in the gut with some hard kicks and gassed him even sooner.

[enkeivette]

Lot of assumptions there.

It looked to me like the UFC fighter was glistening a lot more towards the end of the fight, I don't think he could keep that up forever. And he did throw some kicks, didn't seem to phase the big guy... made him smile once.

I definitely didn't see the same outcome as you.

[joedls]

Originally Posted by enkeivette

Lot of assumptions there.

It looked to me like the UFC fighter was glistening a lot more towards the end of the fight, I don't think he could keep that up forever. And he did throw some kicks, didn't seem to phase the big guy... made him smile once.

I definitely didn't see the same outcome as you.

Glistening as in sweating? How is that an indication of his cardio? Believe me, Conor wasn't tired at all. He could have kept up for a lot longer. The big guy, however, was gulping air. Yeah, we obviously saw it differently. I wonder why?

And I didn't say that Conor wasn't kicking, just that he wasn't kicking hard. He was barely touching him with those kicks. Hard kicks to the body would have worn that big guy out even quicker.

[Shaolin Crane]

Originally Posted by enkeivette

My point isn't that size trumps skill. My point is that size does matter. I was only defending against the statement that 'size doesn't matter if you know how to fight.'

I aver that beefcake Guy now at 200 lbs would kick Guy's twins ass at 160 lbs. It's hard for me to describe what I mean other than simply arguing that size does matter, at least usually, because it depends on context. Like, in the video, there's a smaller skilled fighter put up against a fictional WWF fighter. The smaller dude obviously is quicker, but skill or no skill, its harder for him to move a tree stump.

So my point isn't that size trumps skill or vice versa, my point is that EVERYTHING matters... we don't live in a box.

You don't have to cut a tree down to kill it.

[Shaolin Crane]

Originally Posted by joedls

The problem with being that big and carrying that much muscle is that all of those muscles require oxygen. It's hard for a guy that big to last in a very long fight. They have to go for the kill early or they have problems.

This is the only thing I do not typically agree with. I have said it before, the fighter who has been at his weight the longest will usually have the advantage. The reason why the mountain was gassed is because he has not trained at his weight for combat as long as Connor has, that's all. There are plenty of fighters in super heavy weight that have lungs as good as the smaller guys.