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06-11-2010, 11:14 AM
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What if a parent doesn't deem it necessary for their child to wear a seatbelt? Or are you advocating that all people under 18 should have to wear a seatbelt but anyone over can decide for themselves?
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06-11-2010, 11:47 AM
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What if a parent doesn't deem it necessary for their child to wear a seatbelt? Or are you advocating that all people under 18 should have to wear a seatbelt but anyone over can decide for themselves?
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My short answer is that it is the parent's prerogative. To say otherwise is essentially to say that the state has primary claim on a child, ahead of the parent.
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06-11-2010, 12:24 PM
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My short answer is that it is the parent's prerogative. To say otherwise is essentially to say that the state has primary claim on a child, ahead of the parent.
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I disagree 100% A child cannot make that decision for themselves and should be protected.
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06-11-2010, 12:37 PM
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I disagree 100% A child cannot make that decision for themselves and should be protected.
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Nice try. I said the parent has the right and responsibility to make the choice, not the child.
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06-11-2010, 12:42 PM
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What if a parent doesn't deem it necessary for their child to wear a seatbelt? Or are you advocating that all people under 18 should have to wear a seatbelt but anyone over can decide for themselves?
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Didn't think about children. I guess for them the law makes sense. But not for adults.
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06-11-2010, 12:46 PM
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06-11-2010, 12:58 PM
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Nice try. I said the parent has the right and responsibility to make the choice, not the child.
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I know what you said. The parent should not have a choice on whether a 5 year old puts on a seatbelt or not. It should be a law.
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06-11-2010, 01:12 PM
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Sean, I am with Ben on this one. All these nanny laws take away your freedoms. One of the consequences of being free is being free to make mistakes and held accountable for them.
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06-11-2010, 01:17 PM
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Sean, I am with Ben on this one. All these nanny laws take away your freedoms. One of the consequences of being free is being free to make mistakes and held accountable for them.
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The child is not making a mistake in this instance, the parent is. That's the difference. I agree in principle for adults.
Laws exist for a reason. You guys seem to think that you live in a vacuum. The whole idea that with no government intervention things would be better is asinine.
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06-11-2010, 01:21 PM
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I know what you said. The parent should not have a choice on whether a 5 year old puts on a seatbelt or not. It should be a law.
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The principle you're applying is that the state should intervene on behalf of protecting the child's well being. Ok. Seatbelt laws are fairly trivial in this regard. On the other hand, millions of children are being put at extreme risk of shortened and degraded lives and simultaneously putting vast strains on a now largely socialized medical system. Surely you must then believe the state should be substantially intervening to ensure children are eating properly. After all, if the idea is to make a better and safer society, and apparently there are no fundamental restrictions on what the state can do to achieve these aims, then why not? We don't live in a vacuum right? What's the difference between forcing people to wear seatbelts (or rather, just punishing them for not) and doing the same for maintaining poor health? They're both just forms of not looking after oneself. Children could have annual physicals at school. We could just fine parents if their children are outside of state mandated guidelines for good health. By comparison this would certainly have a much larger net benefit to the society as a whole than a measly seatbelt law and there isn't a damn bit of difference underlying the action.
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