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Old 12-16-2008, 03:44 AM   #1
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Default Biggest cam to meet ULEV Emissions on an LS1

My swap is considered a 2001 F-Body. I run a 224/224 114LSA .566 lift cam and with my stock manifolds and cats pass emissions with flying colors. My heads supposedly flow 305cfm. I'm wondering how big I could go before running into trouble. Also, on a higher compression NA motor, what's the theory for in/out duration?

I don't want a HUGE cam that lopes hard (which wouldn't pass anyway), but I could certainly tolerate something slightly more aggressive. I guess the best question is what are the gnarliest street legal cams in 01 F-Bodys.
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:37 AM   #2
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My swap is considered a 2001 F-Body. I run a 224/224 114LSA .566 lift cam and with my stock manifolds and cats pass emissions with flying colors. My heads supposedly flow 305cfm. I'm wondering how big I could go before running into trouble. Also, on a higher compression NA motor, what's the theory for in/out duration?

I don't want a HUGE cam that lopes hard (which wouldn't pass anyway), but I could certainly tolerate something slightly more aggressive. I guess the best question is what are the gnarliest street legal cams in 01 F-Bodys.
I think that's about as big as you can go. I know a 112 LSA cam won't pass here. Not sure about everything else though.
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:39 PM   #3
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My swap is considered a 2001 F-Body. I run a 224/224 114LSA .566 lift cam and with my stock manifolds and cats pass emissions with flying colors. My heads supposedly flow 305cfm. I'm wondering how big I could go before running into trouble. Also, on a higher compression NA motor, what's the theory for in/out duration?

I don't want a HUGE cam that lopes hard (which wouldn't pass anyway), but I could certainly tolerate something slightly more aggressive. I guess the best question is what are the gnarliest street legal cams in 01 F-Bodys.

That is a tough one. it takes about ten degress more duration to get a drop in compression. Closing up the LSA will also bleed off some compression, but pass smog-- that is a tough one.

Just for info--- My cam has 254 degrees at .050 ---flat tappet solid lifter.
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Old 12-16-2008, 02:46 PM   #4
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I think that's about as big as you can go. I know a 112 LSA cam won't pass here. Not sure about everything else though.
I'm running a 110 LSA cam in the Cobra and it passes with ease.
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I'm running a 110 LSA cam in the Cobra and it passes with ease.
Your passing as a 94 Cobra though right? I'm passing as a 2001 ULEV (might be SULEV). Do you have your smog cert? What are your numbers, I'll post mine later.
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I'm running a 110 LSA cam in the Cobra and it passes with ease.
Seriously? I remember on LS1 back when I had a Camaro that basically a 114 was the most you could pass in California
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Here is a thread about it on tech.

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"A 112 LSA is almost guaranteed not to pass the sniffer in California; haven't seen one person do it even with tuning, a 224/224 114 Cam is biggest cam I've ever seen pass the sinffer here in Cali."

Some guys do claim on the 2nd page to have passed with a 112 though.
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Your passing as a 94 Cobra though right? I'm passing as a 2001 ULEV (might be SULEV). Do you have your smog cert? What are your numbers, I'll post mine later.
Yes the Cobra passed as a 94 Cobra so I'm sure my limits are higher than yours. I don't have my smog cert but if you have yours post it and I'll have Throttle Crazy take a look at it. He'll be able to tell you how close you are with your cam.

Here are the specs on the cam I have in the Cobra.

Product Line: Crane CompuCam Camshafts
Part Number: CRN-444231
Cam Style: Hydraulic roller tappet
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,400-6,000
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 220 int./220 exh.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.498 int./0.498 exh. lift
Lobe Separation (degrees): 110
Computer Controlled Compatible: Yes
Grind Number: 2040
CARB EO Number: D-225-46
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:19 PM   #9
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Well you can see here I'm well above the average with my setup, but still quite a bit of headroom it seems.
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Hydro Carbons
MPH    Max   Ave   Meas
15     52    4     33
25     36    4     25

CO%
MPH    Max   Ave   Meas
15     .49   .01   .31
25     .46   .01   .28

NOX
MPH    Max   Ave   Meas
15     424   16    112
25     711   18    114
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Here is a thread about it on tech.

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"A 112 LSA is almost guaranteed not to pass the sniffer in California; haven't seen one person do it even with tuning, a 224/224 114 Cam is biggest cam I've ever seen pass the sinffer here in Cali."

Some guys do claim on the 2nd page to have passed with a 112 though.

We had some serious LS1 guys working here a few years ago. They told me the same thing- 224/224 114 Cam is biggest cam to pass Calif. smog. Then one got fired and the other quit.
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