Home
Don't have an account? Create one now! It's always free!


Forgot Password
Ed's Auto Parts - Mention MOTORGEN for a Discount!
Motorgen Sponsor: McLeod Racing
Motorgen Sponsor: American Muscle - Add style and performance to your Stang
Motorgen Sponsor: Hall Fabrication & Racing
Motorgen Sponsor: Injectors Plus - Performance Fuel Delivery Systems
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-24-2014, 09:51 PM   #1
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default Rockers for LS1?

There's an outside chance the Gods will stop kicking me in the teeth in the coming moths, at least enough to play maybe a tiny bit with the Vette. If I have to pull the engine to investigate and fix the cam knock, might do some other things that I've wanted to do at the same time, namely rockers and lifters. Morel link bar lifters seem the way to go for high value, but what about Rockers? I think I want to keep the stock ratio unless changing will give better higher rev performance without risking passing smog.
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2014, 08:14 AM   #2
94cobra69ss39694cobra69ss396 is offline
Fast & Filthy
 
94cobra69ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,840
Default

What are the specs on your cam again? I don't know anything about the LS1 but upping the rocker ratio will give you more lift and a faster opening/closing rate. It could make more power if the heads flow enough to use it but it may also hurt power and RPM potential if the spring rate can't handle it. I've only looked your car over once and I can tell you that your biggest issue right now is your tiny exhaust. You need to address that first.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2014, 11:30 AM   #3
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default

Cam is 224/224 114LSA .566 lift.

These are just things (at least lifters) I would probably do while the engine is out having the cam knock issue resolved. The rockers could wait.
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2014, 11:46 AM   #4
94cobra69ss39694cobra69ss396 is offline
Fast & Filthy
 
94cobra69ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,840
Default

I don't know how good the stock LS lifters are but I have almost 200,000 miles on the stock roller rockers in my '99 Suburban which has the 5.7 Vortec (R motor). Granted they don't see the lift and RPM yours do but still.

For the rockers, if you went from the stock 1.7 to a 1.8 you'd see an increase of .033 for a lift of .599. Do you have the piston-to-valve clearance for that? How about the springs, will that put them coil bind?
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2014, 05:21 PM   #5
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 View Post
I don't know how good the stock LS lifters are but I have almost 200,000 miles on the stock roller rockers in my '99 Suburban which has the 5.7 Vortec (R motor). Granted they don't see the lift and RPM yours do but still.

For the rockers, if you went from the stock 1.7 to a 1.8 you'd see an increase of .033 for a lift of .599. Do you have the piston-to-valve clearance for that? How about the springs, will that put them coil bind?
They're not stock springs, but I don't remember what their spring tension is. We would have to measure all these things. Come to think of it, I could also swap the valves. I have a set of the titanium valves. The heads are heavily ported 4.8L truck heads. (Common back in the late 90s early 2000s as a poor man's solution to a little more compression and flow.)
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2014, 04:44 AM   #6
Shaolin CraneShaolin Crane is offline
pain's fun, hit me again
 
Shaolin Crane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,264
Default

Your springs are 165-185# installed and started to bind around.620 IIRC. However the only rockers I would run on an LS are the chromoly magnums and those only come in a stock lift. The valves you have are fine and iI would stick with those, if anything, have some bowl work done to lower your compression.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Lee
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely — lay your life before him

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Stopping the world!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2014, 11:44 PM   #7
C5NatieC5Natie is offline
Senior Member
 
C5Natie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 624
Default

Its been proven the best rockers for LS motors are stockers with upgraded bearings and trunions. Theyre light, strong and handle high rpm. Theres been failures with just about every aftermarket brand of rockers. If you do a search I think youll find a lot of good info. The upgrade trunion kit from Comp Cams is cheap insurance. I made a video on this a while ago.

http://www.compcams.com/WhatsNew/Fil...ionupgrade.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IoaGBTq2fE
__________________
YIYIYIYIYIYI, LIVE ACTION!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 01:11 AM   #8
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default

Thanks Nate. What do you think about lifters?
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 02:57 PM   #9
enkeivetteenkeivette is offline
Super Moderator
 
enkeivette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,850
Default

Go as big as you can on the lift. I don't think it will have a dramatic effect on smog unlike a change in duration. And any change in duration will be negligible. So its not really pushing more air into the cylinder, just allowing more efficient operation at high rpm. (Stand by for correction.)

Fab up some headers while you're at it. You have 2 hands, a welder, and no excuse. Just jump in balls first, thats the way to do these things.
__________________
I <3 forced induction.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2014, 02:59 PM   #10
enkeivetteenkeivette is offline
Super Moderator
 
enkeivette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,850
Default

If I were you Id buy some cheap 1 3/4 headers for a regular SB C3, then get some LS flanges, and cut, tweak, and tack to modify.
__________________
I <3 forced induction.
  Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:25 PM.