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08-10-2012, 03:32 AM
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I, Vettezuki
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Math is absolute by definition. You mean concrete. 
enkeivitte, brownie points for set analysis of terms.
Shaolin, agree, some engines will NEVER get to 5252. But if we come up with another power ratings, say, "Guy Power" that sets work and torque terms appropriately we can lower the rpm crossing to something all engines can reach, say 1,500 rpm.
I'm totally going to develop this formula. Horsepower is a bit old anyway. Brace yourselves, I'm going to use newton/meters for torque and meters for distance
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08-10-2012, 10:23 AM
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Even if you removed the limiter many diesels wont spin that high and/or would break something before they got to 5250.
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Thats a mighty fine opinion you've got there. It seems to have made its way into a logical argument... poor little opinon, it just wants to feel worthy.
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08-10-2012, 11:33 AM
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Thats a mighty fine opinion you've got there. It seems to have made its way into a logical argument... poor little opinon, it just wants to feel worthy.
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Not an opinion, many diesels dont see even 2000rpm and never will.
There are 900hp+ 7.3l's that dont even see 4500rpm, on an ungoverned ecu. It spins to where ever the turbo and fuel system is capable.
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08-10-2012, 01:46 PM
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Guy's right on this one. I see no evidence and zero experience of any diesel engine spinning anywhere near 5,000 rpm. Engines will NOT just arbitrarily spin faster, they will self destruct or simply reach the rpm envelope of the system. Even the R12, without question the finest high performance RACING diesel engine ever built peaked out at just a little over 4,000 rpm.
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08-10-2012, 02:42 PM
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Guy's right on this one. I see no evidence and zero experience of any diesel engine spinning anywhere near 5,000 rpm. Engines will NOT just arbitrarily spin faster, they will self destruct or simply reach the rpm envelope of the system. Even the R12, without question the finest high performance RACING diesel engine ever built peaked out at just a little over 4,000 rpm.
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I will admit when i'm wrong. This is the ONLY diesel i could find that spins above 5k.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1..._dt466_engine/
This is naturally a one off engine and at 250psi and 4 turbos i hope it would be able to spin the 7500.
Let me say, holy shit, 3000hp
EDIT apparently it was a puller engine and torque cant be measured since it cant be loaded properly. Its best time was a 6.82 at 205mph. Seem like with the amount of power it makes it should go faster. However Adam's argument of any engine eventually spinning to a given rpm when its given time just doesnt work.
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08-10-2012, 06:37 PM
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08-10-2012, 07:05 PM
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I'm not seeing 5250 in that video
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08-11-2012, 07:00 AM
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You have to admit that's pretty close for what it is.
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08-11-2012, 11:25 AM
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Still not the argument. The argument was that ANY engine, will make it to 5250 if its given enough time.
I know my 6.4 doesnt get anywhere near 4200
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08-15-2012, 01:48 PM
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Thats silly Ben. You think a diesel engine isnt built with parts at least as strong as your cute lil gas motors? Its like reving your ls1 to 8k rpm, itll start to slow way down and choke out because its not making any power up there, but itll do it. Theres just no purpose, and high risk.
You have a mental road block, but no rationale to support what youre saying.
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