Home
Don't have an account? Create one now! It's always free!


Forgot Password
Ed's Auto Parts - Mention MOTORGEN for a Discount!
Motorgen Sponsor: McLeod Racing
Motorgen Sponsor: American Muscle - Add style and performance to your Stang
Motorgen Sponsor: Hall Fabrication & Racing
Motorgen Sponsor: Injectors Plus - Performance Fuel Delivery Systems
View Poll Results: Should I listen to Sean
Forged A&A 402 5 100.00%
122 Maggie 0 0%
Voters: 5. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-01-2009, 07:17 PM   #1
BADDASSC6BADDASSC6 is offline
Internet Tough Guy
 
BADDASSC6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,545
Default Should I listen to Sean

I was considering a Magna charger 122, but Sean suggested building a 402 screamer. I have been debating it ever since. I pretty much decided that upgrading to a z06 would be out of hte question. My car is almost paid off and I don't want to make payments for an extra year or two for a used Z06.

Pros and cons of each:

402
1) 402 from A&A goes for $4k comes with a New CAM and has forged internals. I can probably get this for $6K installed.
2) I have EPT 205 heads most cars with 402 run AFR 225 heads. I think my heads might limit the power up top.
3) My fast manifold already has nitrous bungs. Forged internals means I can spray a huge shot (200).
4) 480-490 rwhp max without spray.

Maggie
1) 122 Maggie $6K plus new hood $1.5K.
2) 550 rwhp on stock LS2s with exhaust only.
3) No nitrous bottle to refill.
4) How close am I to the LS2 limit
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 07:33 PM   #2
94cobra69ss39694cobra69ss396 is offline
Fast & Filthy
 
94cobra69ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,840
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BADDASSC6 View Post
I was considering a Magna charger 122, but Sean suggested building a 402 screamer. I have been debating it ever since. I pretty much decided that upgrading to a z06 would be out of hte question. My car is almost paid off and I don't want to make payments for an extra year or two for a used Z06.

Pros and cons of each:

402
1) 402 from A&A goes for $4k comes with a New CAM and has forged internals. I can probably get this for $6K installed.
2) I have EPT 205 heads most cars with 402 run AFR 225 heads. I think my heads might limit the power up top.
3) My fast manifold already has nitrous bungs. Forged internals means I can spray a huge shot (200).
4) 480-490 rwhp max without spray.

Maggie
1) 122 Maggie $6K plus new hood $1.5K.
2) 550 rwhp on stock LS2s with exhaust only.
3) No nitrous bottle to refill.
4) How close am I to the LS2 limit
Are you still planning to run your car on road courses? If so, stay away from the blower. If not, the blower is a great choice. Besides, you can always upgrade the heads later.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 07:41 PM   #3
SeanPlunkSeanPlunk is offline
Resident Avatar Gambler
 
SeanPlunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,997
Send a message via AIM to SeanPlunk
Default

I still think a good N/A build would be best for you. Clearly you're much more into road racing than drag racing and I think a built N/A motor is better for road racing
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 08:51 PM   #4
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default

Cough, cough, I think it was my suggestion , but since Sean agrees, it must mean one of two things:

a) it's the greatest idea ever
b) the Universe may implode
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 10:20 PM   #5
LeedomLeedom is offline
Graphics B*tch
 
Leedom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,197
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 View Post
Are you still planning to run your car on road courses? If so, stay away from the blower. If not, the blower is a great choice. Besides, you can always upgrade the heads later.
What are the draw backs on blowing a road racing motor?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vettezuki
Cough, cough, I think it was my suggestion , but since Sean agrees, it must mean one of two things:

a) it's the greatest idea ever
b) the Universe may implode
It is not looking to good for any of us.
__________________
Adam

'13 Ford Fusion SE (2.0L EcoBoost)(Conor)

'03 Zinc Yellow Mach 1(Yazmine)
290HP / 305TQ
1/4 mile ET: 13.28 @ 101MPH (1.867 60')

'99 White F-150 (4.6L)(Bud Jr.)-gone but never forgotten
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 10:35 PM   #6
SeanPlunkSeanPlunk is offline
Resident Avatar Gambler
 
SeanPlunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,997
Send a message via AIM to SeanPlunk
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedom View Post
What are the draw backs on blowing a road racing motor?
Generally they're more sensitive to heatsoak and also add more weight to the front of the car. Also, power delivery from a N/A powerplant is usually more linear than from forced induction (which is why Gordon Murray demanded an N/A powerplant for the McLaren F1) which is better for road racing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 10:54 PM   #7
94cobra69ss39694cobra69ss396 is offline
Fast & Filthy
 
94cobra69ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,840
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedom View Post
What are the draw backs on blowing a road racing motor?
Sean said it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 11:18 PM   #8
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 View Post
Sean said it.
Plus real men don't need to force anything.
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2009, 03:16 AM   #9
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default

Oh, Carlos, just rememberd. The guy who built the H&C LS1 in my Vette, now has a forged 402 Twin Turbo in his C5. As I recall he went with a Scogg & Dickey (mmm, spelling) supplier out of TX . . I think. Apparently the same specs as the A&A, but a bit less. I'm going to see if I can get him to come out on our cruise, but the weekends are family time for him usually.
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)

Last edited by Vettezuki : 06-03-2009 at 06:34 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2009, 08:56 AM   #10
BRUTAL64BRUTAL64 is offline
Neanderthal
 
BRUTAL64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 5,320
Default

__________________
64 Vette Roadster 400 ci
1990 F150 351 ci SuperCharged
48 Harley Pan Head 76 ci
2016 Nissan Altma
  Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:30 AM.