Home
Don't have an account? Create one now! It's always free!


Forgot Password
Ed's Auto Parts - Mention MOTORGEN for a Discount!
Motorgen Sponsor: McLeod Racing
Motorgen Sponsor: American Muscle - Add style and performance to your Stang
Motorgen Sponsor: Hall Fabrication & Racing
Motorgen Sponsor: Injectors Plus - Performance Fuel Delivery Systems
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-29-2009, 01:39 PM   #1
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default Choosing Plug Temps for FI

So, what are the parameters for choosing the right plug tempratures for forced induction? Also, what effect might other fuels, particularly E85 or even E100 have on choosing plugs?
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 03:20 PM   #2
st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet*st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet* is offline
Senior Member
 
st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 501
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vettezuki View Post
So, what are the parameters for choosing the right plug tempratures for forced induction? Also, what effect might other fuels, particularly E85 or even E100 have on choosing plugs?

hmmm how do i wanna answer this it can get tricky and long!!

basic answer = e85-e100 u want a hotter burning spark, petrol based fuels u want a colder spark

long answer.........

platinum or iriduim ngk or denso spark plug in the 6-7 head range with a small gap *.018-.022* for e85-e100 and 8-9 heat range with a tad bigger gap *.024-.030 for 100oct- c16/q16

reason i said what i did for e85-e100
- it takes a little longer to burn and its a tad harder to ignite *mainly at start up when its cold- because cold air or cold engine mixed with cool ethonal mixed with its cooling propertys will put out ur average spark really easily and start up can be a bitch sometimes.*...so u would want a quick hot ass spark to get it going...but you dont want a big gap because it will transfer too much heat to the fuel making it burn hotter then it needs too and pretty much nullifying the cooling property of ethonal

reasons i said what i did for petrol based fuels
- when you get past the 105 octane level shit starts getting harder to ignite but will burn super fast and super hot compared to e85.
-so you give stuff like 110 leaded to c16 a nice colder spark to keep combustion temps down but a bigger gap to make sure that colder spark can ignite that hard to ignite fuel.

also the platinum or iridium transfer a more consistant spark because they better conducting metals then copper.

now if you want to get deeper ignition.....make sure you have a good ignition system!! distibutors will only take you so far...before ull need to go coil on plug....and hold a harder charge.......and jesus dont get me started on fuel systems!!!

its kinda crazy that you asked this because yesterday i was messing around with my gaps and lowering them made all my knock go away! by the way im on ngk 7 heat range iridium parks plugs...freakin cost $15 each from dealership :-( i cracked 2
__________________
ask me about my weener!!

**Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car
**Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car
**Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall
**Torque is how far you take the wall with you.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 03:31 PM   #3
VettezukiVettezuki is offline
I, Vettezuki
 
Vettezuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 14,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet* View Post
hmmm how do i wanna answer this it can get tricky and long!!

basic answer = e85-e100 u want a hotter burning spark, petrol based fuels u want a colder spark

long answer.........

platinum or iriduim ngk or denso spark plug in the 6-7 head range with a small gap *.018-.022* for e85-e100 and 8-9 heat range with a tad bigger gap *.024-.030 for 100oct- c16/q16

reason i said what i did for e85-e100
- it takes a little longer to burn and its a tad harder to ignite *mainly at start up when its cold- because cold air or cold engine mixed with cool ethonal mixed with its cooling propertys will put out ur average spark really easily and start up can be a bitch sometimes.*...so u would want a quick hot ass spark to get it going...but you dont want a big gap because it will transfer too much heat to the fuel making it burn hotter then it needs too and pretty much nullifying the cooling property of ethonal

reasons i said what i did for petrol based fuels
- when you get past the 105 octane level shit starts getting harder to ignite but will burn super fast and super hot compared to e85.
-so you give stuff like 110 leaded to c16 a nice colder spark to keep combustion temps down but a bigger gap to make sure that colder spark can ignite that hard to ignite fuel.

also the platinum or iridium transfer a more consistant spark because they better conducting metals then copper.

now if you want to get deeper ignition.....make sure you have a good ignition system!! distibutors will only take you so far...before ull need to go coil on plug....and hold a harder charge.......and jesus dont get me started on fuel systems!!!

its kinda crazy that you asked this because yesterday i was messing around with my gaps and lowering them made all my knock go away! by the way im on ngk 7 heat range iridium parks plugs...freakin cost $15 each from dealership :-( i cracked 2
I'm asking in preparation for RX-Snake, but asked here because it's a good general info topic.

- We will be using an HEI Distributor.
- The motor is setup with something like 9.x:1 static compression.
- I'm really hoping we can fix the 174 Blower. It's a roots style blower than can get up to about 12psi boost on that motor.

I was thinking of using E85 because a) the cooling properties help mitigate the very hot nature of a roots blower b) will allow us to run more timing c) is half the price of race gas d) I'm looking for an extra quirk on the project car for that cool factor.

Plus, as the hippie tree huggers continue their reign of terror, no matter how poorly reasoned E85 should become more readily available, so I'm interested in this fuel as a performance fuel.
__________________
Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(active)
Motorgen Project Car
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
(back burner)
  Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:23 PM.