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07-30-2013, 02:49 AM
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The economic explanation is pretty simple and sort of what Carlos was hinting at. Mustangs have everything from wonderful, beautiful, expertly done modifications to . . . uh, I think you missed a spot . . with the duck tape. Vettes don't have that kind of spread. Not even in the South where they are pretty common and fairly cheap do they reach quite the same, errr, bottom. The reason is entry level price and availability. That's it. Keep going up the spectrum and you see less modification at all. How many modified Ferraris are there?
It's actually a pretty interesting sociological/economic subject.
But when I typed in American Rice Mustang and that popped up, I knew I had to pull the pin on the grenade and toss it in the room. Boooom muthafuckas!
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07-30-2013, 05:46 PM
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How is any of it factual? "IMO" means my opinion. I get there are more mustangs, I get that parts are cheaper, I've been in the mustang scene a long time, been a member of countless clubs and mustang owners piss me off the most. More Chinese parts for mustangs than vettes, but every vette owner I've met at shows has said with the biggest grin on their face about the cost of their parts. I'm disgusted at how much money the 87 has in it.
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It's all pretty factual. 68650 Mustangs sold in 2012 12,841 Corvettes were sold in the same time frame. Thats roughly 5 to 1. How many sub 1:50 mustangs do you see at California Speedway? I've seen 1. I can think of at least a dozen Corvettes that will go below 1:50 everytime.
So I basically shared a review of the C7 and stated that I am considering selling my 2013 5.0 in order to make room for the C7. I was asked if I could achieve the performance of the vette in the stang for the same money. I say no, because I haven't seen any Mustang that can hang with my vette at California Speedway. I will admit that thing would be different on another track or drag racing.
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07-30-2013, 07:19 PM
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. . . I will admit that thing would be different on another track or drag racing.
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What kind of road courses would equalize towards the Mustang? I'm guessing just ones that are less "technical" and have more open stretches where power mods can help to keep up the average speed and therefore ET?
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07-30-2013, 07:24 PM
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Flat, smooth, and no transitions. The other track is a drag racing track. Live axles are superior to IRS in a straight line.
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07-30-2013, 08:03 PM
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Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.
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07-30-2013, 08:08 PM
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Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.
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Maybe keep up with a Camaro that is 500lbs heavier, but it will not keep up with a equally prepared corvette. Now if you got your Max project together maybe you will prove me wrong. Probably not though.
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07-30-2013, 09:06 PM
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Maybe keep up with a Camaro that is 500lbs heavier, but it will not keep up with a equally prepared corvette. Now if you got your Max project together maybe you will prove me wrong. Probably not though.
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Max is neither three link nor a road course car.
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07-30-2013, 11:11 PM
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Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.
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Source comparing apples to apples isolating 3-link vs. IRS?
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07-30-2013, 11:40 PM
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Source comparing apples to apples isolating 3-link vs. IRS?
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I was looking before I left for the gym, it's easy to find comparisons of mustang IRS vs 3 link mustang. Not so much others,I'll look more when I'm home.I do know that if the owner of griggs can pull a 1.29 At willow in his car(fox mustang) then there are others as well.
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07-31-2013, 12:37 AM
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Source comparing apples to apples isolating 3-link vs. IRS?
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From fastest laps
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_gt_50.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_carrera_s.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_turbo.html
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Willow Springs 1:37.60 28/64
Willow Springs 1:37.09 27/64
Willow Springs 1:38.53 39/64
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I'd say that's comparable to IRS.
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