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Originally Posted by blackax

I think that all comes down to the perspective you are coming from. For me the ACA changed nothing for my healthcare (same provider and same price) Some got a worse deal, and some got a better deal.

Sounds like Suck (A) -> Suck (B) overall.

The ACA has put us on a better path to get our health care system back to the right path, and the old system was never going to do that.

The ACA has turned out to be at least as much of a clown car as feared.
The VA is turning out to be an even bigger disaster than commonly assumed.
Medicare is in a slow but pretty clear nose dive to oblivion.
The Indian Health Service (IHS) borders on the unspeakable.

Not sure how these add up to supporting an even more expansive role for government control over health care. If it were little more than a distributed payment system to end users or something, maybe it'd be better than the ad hoc clusterfuckery we've managed to create, but I wouldn't even bet on that with the "leadership" we have the misfortune of living under.

[BADDASSC6]

Originally Posted by blackax

Yes that does suck alot, but why do you think it was any different before? because things where always better in the past? Sometime change sucks.

Change for the sake of change socks and does nothing. I'm all for updating our health care system to make it more affordable, but that is not what happened. It's more expensive for everyone. Some may pay less directly, but the coming tax increases will tell the truth. Just because your bill hasn't changed yet doesn't mean it won't change. Some extensions were granted but over the next three years the truth will come out and everyone will be pissed. There is no efficiently run government organization. That in itself is enough for me to say it's a bad idea. I also work hard to make the money I have. I should be able to decide the level of health care I want. If I'm required to buy it then the insurance companies will dictate the price. Finally, I am fine with drug companies and doctors making huge money. If that's what's required to have our best and brightest providing care and developing future health solutions then so be it. Medical school is long hard and stressful. They earned it.

[BADDASSC6]

Originally Posted by blackax

I think that all comes down to the perspective you are coming from. For me the ACA changed nothing for my healthcare (same provider and same price) Some got a worse deal, and some got a better deal.

The ACA has put us on a better path to get our health care system back to the right path, and the old system was never going to do that.

Please be specific as to what was wrong with the old system and what Obama care did to fix it.

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Before we were forced onto medicare we had Kaiser and the costs were rising about 10%/year same as my vehicle insurance.
Medicare premiums are $100/month deducted from SS payments. 2 years ago one of my med co pays doubled the others up 50%, blood test co pays up 50%, medicare paid $100 every 2 years for glasses now it's $50.
I was supposed to be able to go to the VA for any medical issue. ~1992 I was without insurance and went to the VA for my asthma meds - I was told they could not treat me or give me a prescription - Thank you slick willie.
VA care is hit or miss depending on the Dr you get. When my Dad was in Long Beach VA hosp in 1959 he could not have anything of value, even small change, as the night shift helped themselves to anything they could.
Medical care on Indian Res's and VA hosps are what obombacare will become.
Like Canada, they hope you die before they have to let you see a specialist.
Anything the govt touches is worse and more expensive than if run by private capitalists.
Even have dealings with govt employees and notice how they don't care - those same people will be telling your Dr. how to treat you.
The revolution starts when?

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That's the truth. I got pink eye in 2008. I was the command duty officer at SPAWAR HQ. I got relieved from watch to go get treatment. Balboa and NTC keep punting me back and forth between each other. I had to call my command to have them call to get help. That was as a senior LT. Zero fucks given by the staff. I was an active duty service member at a military hosiptal and are was refused because they claimed that the other location was responsible for my command. I never want my family to go through that.

[Vettezuki]

Shinseki has resigned, but no matter. So did Sibelius. What will change?

Names.