[Shaolin Crane]

http://www.stangtv.com/news/video-ag...s-laguna-seca/

While horsepower is limited by rules to just 367 ponies, that didn’t stop Weber from lapping Laguna Seca in just a hair over 1:42, about the same time that supercars like the Nissan GT-R, the Porsche Cayman R, and the Corvette Z06

[Vettezuki]

Fastest laps is self reports so i wouldn't put much weight in those numbers one way or another. The Harbinger is a custom car weighing in at around 2,000lbs. It costs a lot, is' pretty much a track only rough as fuck car that's still slower than a ZO6 or GT-R. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but it kind of proves the point. The gucci end of the spectrum of custom stuff, is NOT hanging with off the shelf stuff with IRS in the same price range.

Now a lighting Lap with sector analysis comparing a C6 base to a current 5.0 would be interesting.

[94cobra69ss396]

Originally Posted by BADDASSC6

I haven't seen any Mustang that can hang with my vette at California Speedway.

What was your best time with the R888 tires? What is your best time now with the new tires and what tire is it again?

[Shaolin Crane]

Originally Posted by Vettezuki

Fastest laps is self reports so i wouldn't put much weight in those numbers one way or another. The Harbinger is a custom car weighing in at around 2,000lbs. It costs a lot, is' pretty much a track only rough as fuck car that's still slower than a ZO6 or GT-R. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but it kind of proves the point. The gucci end of the spectrum of custom stuff, is NOT hanging with off the shelf stuff with IRS in the same price range.

Now a lighting Lap with sector analysis comparing a C6 base to a current 5.0 would be interesting.

Fine
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

Maximums 2011 BMW M3 2011Ford Mustang GT
Lap time, sec 87.67 87.76
Top speed, mph 107.7 106.8
Highest accel g 0.47 0.39
Highest braking g 0.9 0.95
Max lateral g 1.32 1.3

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2aboxF47F

My point, is on a good track they're very similar. Bump roads, the IRS shines easily.

And Uhm, what? the harbinger ROLLING chassis weighs 2000lbs, so probably 2800ish with the rest of the drivetrain. I was parked next to the Agent 47 fox a few years ago at knotts and got to talk to him. The car isn't "custom" it's offered as a turn key purchase vehicle using dynacorn bodies. Also, remember that's still a 69 mustang. The fox chassis cars are faster than the harbinger chassis.

[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane

. .My point, is on a good track they're very similar. Bump roads, the IRS shines easily.

If by good track you mean nice and smooth, nobody is really arguing this. See Carlos previously. Though apparently even the micro-margin matters to purpose built cars, perhaps because of the curb crashing they do.

[enkeivette]

Originally Posted by BADDASSC6

We already went down the Stang vs Vette rat-hole. The vette is better by far at everything. I will admit that with all the mods the vette is scary on the track where the stang was a lot of fun. Even though I've made people cry in both.

I want to go around the track as a passenger in your C6, just once. Thats what I want for my quinceanera

[enkeivette]

Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane

Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.

Ha! And AOL dial up could probably hang with DSL if you had the right setup. But why argue technology? IRS is better.

Dump money into your setup and it can hang with an IRS I'm sure, but you're starting with a handicap. Dump money into the IRS and now it's better again.

I know I'm no racer, but I also know indy cars are not solid axles. And I also know GM, Mopar, and Ford (who know more about designing cars than you) don't waste 3 fucking cents on a car if they can do the same thing cheaper. So why IRS in the Vettes, Vipers and Cobras if solid axles are just as good?

[Vettezuki]

Originally Posted by enkeivette

. . . And I also know GM, Mopar, and Ford (who know more about designing cars than you) don't waste 3 fucking cents on a car if they can do the same thing cheaper. . .

Not on purpose at least. AIR, the current Mustang was going to have an IRS, but it was going to cost a bit more than a live axle ($100/unit or something like that). So they panned it and went with the Live Axle. But they really weren't happy with the performance they were getting, so the tweaked and tweaked and updated the design and fab and by the time they were done it cost more than their originally intended IRS.

BTW, the new Mustang will have an IRS AFIK.

Solid axle IS better at somethings. It's simpler, generally lighter overall in production cars, strong as all hell, and better for straight line traction/acceleration.

It can be comparable in performance on curvy roads IF the roads are very smooth.

It simply can't hang on rougher courses all things being equal.

There are some ride quality differences as well, but that's more subjective I suppose.

[BADDASSC6]

Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane

From fastest laps
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_gt_50.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_carrera_s.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_turbo.html



I'd say that's comparable to IRS.

Not at all. The SS is a shit box that is not tune for performance driving. The same car with the 1LE suspension package crushed the Boss. The ZL1 is 2.5 seconds faster at VIR weighing more and having 100 less hp. 1.29 G is not that much. I pull more than that and have the Traqmate data to prove it. Shit with a little banking 2 Gs are not a lot.
So when was the last time you went to the track? Please remember that the question was if I could do with my mustang what I do with the vette for the same money. The answer is still no. The reasoning in your arguments is invalid. It's time to stop typing and go spend some time on the track so you can confirm what you read online with real life experience.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...r-times-page-8

[enkeivette]

Getting ready to move this to the grudge match section I'll sit shotgun in Carlos' car to make sure he doesn't use nitrous.