Seatbelt Laws
 

[EDIT: Vettezuki] This is a branch off from "I'll be fighting this one."

That shit sucks they have nothing better to do than give us bullshit tickets. This whole click it or ticket is Fuc#&D if I don't want to f-ing click it thats my choice. If I get in to an accident I want them to scrape my dead ass up off the asphalt. Fight that shit.

I was with you on the dumb ticket part, but not wearing a seatbelt is stupid. I have no problem with seatbelt laws.

Different discussion. But to hell with the nanny state in ALL of its forms, every inch, everywhere. If you don't wear a seatbelt or helmet you are in fact kind of stupid. And yes, that is in fact, your right. The same line of thinking that empowers the state to insert itself by force of law vis a vis seat belts and helmets (that is "externalities" and "neighborhood effects") acknowledges no fundamental bounds. Chuck, your instincts are correct. The State has no right to protect you from yourself. They just invent and take powers over We the Peasants.

The right to drive is not absolute. To drive you have to get licensed from the state. If you don't want to abide by the rules (i.e. seatbelt laws), then you have the right to not drive. Would you also advocate people should be able to drink and drive?

False analogy. One endangers oneself, the other endangers others. Furthermore, drinking and driving is not evaluated on the basis of functional impairment, but mere BAC. Some people in fact are not a danger at 0.1. Meanwhile, driving while exhausted can be extremely dangerous. They can pull you over if you're driving peculiar, but if they only see that you're tired, they'll send you on your way to kill a family.

Next.

I think not wearing a seatbelt is dumb, but I'm still with Chuck on this one. If it doesn't infringe on the rights of others it has no legal justification.

As far as drinking and driving, I think the limit should be raised, definitely. A .08 is what? Two beers? I'm as light weight as it gets, I drink maybe three or four times a year. And I can barely feel two beers.

Not sure if I posted a thread on this, but a cop let me go for doing 83 in a 65 last month. Sometimes it pays to be nice.

You see, mods curse too. But they need to get really angry first.

I agree about the cops. It was something we put in place to help ourselves, and now that it's become more of a harassing presence than a helpful presence it is too late to do anything about it because the cops pull in too much revenue for the govt. And no politician would be stupid enough to throw that money away, especially not right now.

Were you in the Vette or Neon. I once had a major right down, err, to 83 from a perfectly nice officer. I was nice with this guy right up to the point it was patently clear he was "revenuing". Then I gave him strictly the facts treatment.

We need a reset . . .

I really really want to live in that place.