Motorgen - Automotive Events, Meets, Cruises and Forums

Motorgen - Automotive Events, Meets, Cruises and Forums (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/index.php)
-   Body Work, Paint, Detailing & Fabrication (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=99)
-   -   Welding (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19875)

94cobra69ss396 08-25-2010 08:30 PM

Welding
 
Thanks to Adam I've been practicing. Well I've practiced twice. I posted up my last weld on another site I'm on and got some great suggestions on bettering my welds. Here are a couple from tonight.




Vettezuki 08-25-2010 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 58206)
Thanks to Adam I've been practicing. Well I've practiced twice. I posted up my last weld on another site I'm on and got some great suggestions on bettering my welds. Here are a couple from tonight.




Now that's start'n to look mighty pro! :thumbs_up:

94cobra69ss396 08-25-2010 09:24 PM

Thanks. I'm going to keep practicing on tip angle and my movement but at least I have the correct heat and wirespeed for .120 now.

enkeivette 08-25-2010 11:24 PM

That does look pro, share the tips! What angle are you holding the tip at? Also, where do you think I can buy square metal tubing? I want to make a hitch.

enkeivette 08-25-2010 11:29 PM

Also, is there some sort of chart for wirespeed/ relating to metal thickness?

Vettezuki 08-26-2010 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 58227)
Also, is there some sort of chart for wirespeed/ relating to metal thickness?

Should be on your welder. Flip the door open.

94cobra69ss396 08-26-2010 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 58226)
That does look pro, share the tips! What angle are you holding the tip at? Also, where do you think I can buy square metal tubing? I want to make a hitch.

Here was the best from what everyone posted.

kylesgorter - "I always set the voltage to the recomended setting for the thickness. With 0.023 I got a tad higher and with 0.035 the same or a tad lower. I go high on the WFS settings then start drawing a bead while turning the wfs down very slowly until i get the proper sound. Tuning by sound has always been the best for me. You want it to be a steady buzzing without popping, burnback, or sticking in the pool. You know you have it setup when it sounds like sizzling bacon and theres much less sparks and spatter. Rule of thumb, set the voltage first and tune the wfs to that. Every joint has its own setting that work best for it so experiment with different settings and joints and wire sizes and find what works best, also pushing or pulling the bead has a large affect on bead appearance, penetration etc. Be mindful of the feed angle as well as you do not want to compromise gas sheilding or flow and you want the heat directed into the joint. Always remeber dont keep up with the welder, set up the machine properly so that it keeps up with you.

Dont mess with weave patterns or "circles" or anything. getting your speed control and puddle control down first is most important. Draw straight stinger beads and watch the puddle. once you have mastered your speed control and can control the puddle's shape and thickness you can move on to a whip or zig zag technique. Ive found those to be all thats needed for 95% of joints.

I will say that the quality and appearance of your welding will always depend first and foremost on the joint prep and quality of the fit-up. Proper spacing, tacking, beveling etc is required to get the rest of it right. Some joints need more beveling where as others like corner joints with slightly thicker plate are better without any beveling on the outer shoulder but benefit from beveling in the root of the joint before fitup. Knowing these things is very important and you will not get better without practice.

I like running a smaller wire 0.023 for a lot for the work I do with a higher voltage. I use er70s-6 wire which is pretty standard but some shops supply others so its good to know the differences. You want the edges of your weld to "wet out" so that they look to be burned into the base material while at the same time having no real shoulder or undercut. The quality of your weld and its appearance come a lot from getting tha edge to look right. ive found if Im doing weverything right and the edges and machine are correct everything else is in spec as well."

As for tip angle, I had it pointed straight at the joint. This is what I still want to practice with. The other guys say that I can improve my start and finish by changing the angle some.

Also, I usually get my metal from Patton's but it's out in San Bernardino. I don't know where you would want to get it from. Usually these places have a scrap bin and you can get the scrap for cheaper. That's how I got the square tubing that I used on the Explorer.

enkeivette 08-26-2010 06:12 PM

What welding forum do you post on? I'm going to chop the area that the ball joint mounts to off the end of my friend's Ranger control arm, weld in a 2 or 3" section of pipe to move the ball joint mount down to fix the angle of the arm.

(Right now it's lifted so much, the control arm is at an extreme angle and it actually rests on the frame.)

Would you recommend that I fill in the gap between the end of the arm and the pipe extension and then do a roll of dimes on top? Or just roll of dimes it over the gap?

94cobra69ss396 08-26-2010 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 58300)
What welding forum do you post on? I'm going to chop the area that the ball joint mounts to off the end of my friend's Ranger control arm, weld in a 2 or 3" section of pipe to move the ball joint mount down to fix the angle of the arm.

(Right now it's lifted so much, the control arm is at an extreme angle and it actually rests on the frame.)

Would you recommend that I fill in the gap between the end of the arm and the pipe extension and then do a roll of dimes on top? Or just roll of dimes it over the gap?

Dezertrangers.com in the Fab section.

Can you get a picture of what you are trying to fix? The way I have this pictured in my head is that you plan to cut and lower the upper A arm. Is that what you mean?

enkeivette 08-26-2010 09:06 PM

Yeah, the arms prob look the same on your Exploder. Since the ball joints are pressed in and we can't screw with them, I plan to cut the end of the arm off, place a pipe on top of the ball joint, weld it to the arm, weld the arm to the top of the pipe.

No pics, haven't done it yet. I'll see if I can get a paint illustration.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:47 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.