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mikey-b5stg3s4 08-07-2012 12:57 PM

Any dyno days going on soon !!
 
I really want to dyno my car but i want to see if theres a dyno day coming up soon . If not than someone should set one up .

please let me know if any is going on or going to happen.

94cobra69ss396 08-07-2012 01:15 PM

Call GTR High Performance (909) 987-4352. They do three pulls for something like $65-$75.

Vettezuki 08-07-2012 02:42 PM

With AFR? Wonder if they do a discount if we did a dyno day and brought in 40 +-.

94cobra69ss396 08-07-2012 04:13 PM

Yes, with AFR. I'm sure they would give us a discount if we brought in a bunch of cars. Do you want me to call Gonzalo and find out how much they would charge?

Vettezuki 08-07-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 101452)
Yes, with AFR. I'm sure they would give us a discount if we brought in a bunch of cars. Do you want me to call Gonzalo and find out how much they would charge?

Yes please. Maybe in the Fall when it's cooler.

Shaolin Crane 08-07-2012 04:56 PM

I'd be interested in that.

Chuck 08-07-2012 06:15 PM

I want in on this shit yo!

mikey-b5stg3s4 08-07-2012 08:47 PM

Found a spot I'm going to tommorow to get my car dyno it's 50 bucks for 4 baseline hp pulls and 1 torque pulls....

let me know if your interested I can tell the guy to open is shop up on Saturday if a few of us want to go .

Let me get a count who's in for the weekend (Saturday) ?

Shaolin Crane 08-07-2012 09:09 PM

Uhm I dont get it, why wouldnt you get torque readings on all the pulls?

mikey-b5stg3s4 08-07-2012 10:14 PM

You know good question I think cause he has to use a different software but idk really ....
Maybe cause its a dyno Dynamic not a dynojet also can be the reason ?

Vettezuki 08-07-2012 10:18 PM

That's sounds a bit weird because you cannot calculate HP without knowing Torque. HP is derived not measured. Torque is measured.

Shaolin Crane 08-07-2012 10:23 PM

Exactly what I was going to say.

mikey-b5stg3s4 08-07-2012 10:26 PM

Wait ya that's true than idk why he said that lol but even his web site says 4 baseline pulls and 1 torque lol
So idk but you u guys down ?

Ryridesmotox 08-07-2012 11:54 PM

Does his website also have links to you tube videos of cars jumping off dynos? Cuz if a dyno owner is saying a HP baseline run can't measure torque as well I am not entirely sure I would trust his shop.

Oh wait... I got it!!! Its a Honda tuner... they don't calculate ft-lbs of torque psssh come on guys... they only measure in HP after vtak yo

Damian 08-08-2012 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 101441)
With AFR? Wonder if they do a discount if we did a dyno day and brought in 40 +-.

The only problem with that many cars is it is one long ass day for everyone. Even 20 cars is a long day, unless they are really squared away.

Vettezuki 08-09-2012 12:21 AM

We did like 50 once without AFR and it WAS a long day. But there is was some dicking around.

enkeivette 08-09-2012 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 101481)
That's sounds a bit weird because you cannot calculate HP without knowing Torque. HP is derived not measured. Torque is measured.

:judge:

That's why it crosses at 5250 consistently.

Vettezuki 08-09-2012 11:47 AM

Not consistently. Absolutely.

Shaolin Crane 08-09-2012 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 101573)
Not consistently. Absolutely.

Well, not always. ;)

Vettezuki 08-09-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 101579)
Well, not always. ;)

Always.

horsepower = rpm x torque / 5252

Or

a = bxc/d

a will ALWAYS == c when b == d

enkeivette 08-09-2012 03:55 PM

From the forum gods themselves.

enkeivette 08-09-2012 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 101573)
Not consistently. Absolutely.

My only counter would be not all engines are spun that fast (diesels). But of course, they would cross there, and failing to spin it that fast is only a 'choice.'

Vettezuki 08-09-2012 06:18 PM

Actually my stock cross fire probably wouldn't have reached 5252. I think it red lined at like 4,500. Not kidding.

Shaolin Crane 08-09-2012 08:50 PM

Not all vehicles spin to 5250, or even close, meaning it will never intersect. Diesels for one.

Shaolin Crane 08-09-2012 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 101588)
My only counter would be not all engines are spun that fast (diesels). But of course, they would cross there, and failing to spin it that fast is only a 'choice.'

Posted before I saw your post. Yes, but failing to spin that high isnt a choice, some diesels would never spin that amount of RPM, ever. If they cant spin, it's not always ;)

What was the argument from minortiy report?

94cobra69ss396 08-09-2012 09:47 PM

5252 is just where horsepower and torque will cross due to the math formula. You don't have to spin the engine to 5252 to get a horsepower figure. As Ben stated horsepower is a calculation of torque multiplied by rpm and divided by 5252. This article explains the formula.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...wer_vs_torque/

Vettezuki 08-09-2012 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 101603)
. . . If they cant spin, it's not always . .

But they absolutely would if they could. :nuts:

Shaolin Crane 08-09-2012 10:13 PM

Goes back to my minority report joke. Unless it happens, it cant be absolute ;)
I agree with you whole heartedly though and I'm just being difficult for the means of entertainment.

enkeivette 08-10-2012 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 101603)
Posted before I saw your post. Yes, but failing to spin that high isnt a choice, some diesels would never spin that amount of RPM, ever. If they cant spin, it's not always ;)

What was the argument from minortiy report?

Which is why I said consistently ;)

P.S. Ben, consistent isn't dispositive of absolute, the inverse isn't true though. Yes... that's a quadruple negative, winning. Now start a semantic forum category so the three of us stop annoying everyone else.

And Guy, it's always a choice. Get rid of the rev limiter with a tuner and you can spin anything to 5250, even a NA diesel would get there eventually. Sooo suck a dick. Hahaha

Shaolin Crane 08-10-2012 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 101624)
Which is why I said consistently. ;) And Id bet money that you can spin any engine to 5250, might take a while, but even an old NA diesel would get there eventually.

Even if you removed the limiter many diesels wont spin that high and/or would break something before they got to 5250.

Vettezuki 08-10-2012 03:32 AM

Math is absolute by definition. You mean concrete. ;)

enkeivitte, brownie points for set analysis of terms.

Shaolin, agree, some engines will NEVER get to 5252. But if we come up with another power ratings, say, "Guy Power" that sets work and torque terms appropriately we can lower the rpm crossing to something all engines can reach, say 1,500 rpm.

I'm totally going to develop this formula. Horsepower is a bit old anyway. Brace yourselves, I'm going to use newton/meters for torque and meters for distance

enkeivette 08-10-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 101626)
Even if you removed the limiter many diesels wont spin that high and/or would break something before they got to 5250.

Thats a mighty fine opinion you've got there. It seems to have made its way into a logical argument... poor little opinon, it just wants to feel worthy.

Shaolin Crane 08-10-2012 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 101649)
Thats a mighty fine opinion you've got there. It seems to have made its way into a logical argument... poor little opinon, it just wants to feel worthy.

Not an opinion, many diesels dont see even 2000rpm and never will.

There are 900hp+ 7.3l's that dont even see 4500rpm, on an ungoverned ecu. It spins to where ever the turbo and fuel system is capable.

Vettezuki 08-10-2012 01:46 PM

Guy's right on this one. I see no evidence and zero experience of any diesel engine spinning anywhere near 5,000 rpm. Engines will NOT just arbitrarily spin faster, they will self destruct or simply reach the rpm envelope of the system. Even the R12, without question the finest high performance RACING diesel engine ever built peaked out at just a little over 4,000 rpm.

Shaolin Crane 08-10-2012 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 101657)
Guy's right on this one. I see no evidence and zero experience of any diesel engine spinning anywhere near 5,000 rpm. Engines will NOT just arbitrarily spin faster, they will self destruct or simply reach the rpm envelope of the system. Even the R12, without question the finest high performance RACING diesel engine ever built peaked out at just a little over 4,000 rpm.

I will admit when i'm wrong. This is the ONLY diesel i could find that spins above 5k.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1..._dt466_engine/

This is naturally a one off engine and at 250psi and 4 turbos i hope it would be able to spin the 7500.

Let me say, holy shit, 3000hp

EDIT apparently it was a puller engine and torque cant be measured since it cant be loaded properly. Its best time was a 6.82 at 205mph. Seem like with the amount of power it makes it should go faster. However Adam's argument of any engine eventually spinning to a given rpm when its given time just doesnt work.

Chuck 08-10-2012 06:37 PM

What Bitches:


Shaolin Crane 08-10-2012 07:05 PM

I'm not seeing 5250 in that video

Chuck 08-11-2012 07:00 AM

You have to admit that's pretty close for what it is.

Shaolin Crane 08-11-2012 11:25 AM

Still not the argument. The argument was that ANY engine, will make it to 5250 if its given enough time.

I know my 6.4 doesnt get anywhere near 4200

enkeivette 08-15-2012 01:48 PM

Thats silly Ben. You think a diesel engine isnt built with parts at least as strong as your cute lil gas motors? Its like reving your ls1 to 8k rpm, itll start to slow way down and choke out because its not making any power up there, but itll do it. Theres just no purpose, and high risk.

You have a mental road block, but no rationale to support what youre saying.


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