2012 Mustang Boss 302
 

Best Mustang Ever Built...
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12.3@115 is moving. Very impressive.

I would buy one if I had the scratch. This is going to be a very collectible car in the future!

12.3 from the factory and no super charger...I'd take that any day... just no fun in customizing it because it already has everything except that...aww well, if I had it it would probably sit in my garage wrapped in bubble wrap...

The dealers will be selling them with a large markup I expect. The actual price will be closer to a GT500.

Bob

I think predicted MSRP was to be like $40,000. A GT500 is like $50,000ish...my worry is that the Boss actually performs better than a GT500 on a track so they will crank the price above it...doubt it though due to hp difference but they are different beasts...I can only assume demand will be high for people who are mustang fan boys/girls and have the $$$$$ and it will just go off of that...I'll wait 6yrs then snatch one when they are like $25,000 :D

According to Car and Driver the base is 41K and the Recardo seats and torsen diff will add 2K for a total of $43K. Ford is only going to make 4000 units total 3250 Boss and 750 Laguna Seca Editions. This Mustang lapped Laguna Seca quicker than the vaunted BMW M3. I think they will hold their value pretty well and you may get a thoroughly thrashed one in 6 years for 25K. I also think many will be garage queens. The only grabber blue sold at Barrett Jackson for a cool $450K

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/22/b...r-blue-boss-3/

Bob

dealership down the road is taking preorders at 55-60k. Markups ahoy!

Dream crushed...lol
I think if i got a newer one i'd get a 2011/12 5.0 with the brembo package..thats like $35k.. i'll settle for the half second slower than M3 and save $20k... add a more aggresive cam, new suspension and borla...figure $8k-10k in mods. Could get really close time wise....would be better if someone made the bosses new intake too.

I think my new fetish is to get one of the new 5.0 engines and place it in a 1970 mustang...not a boss...cant fix what isnt broken :D just need to make it fit...

Ehh, quite a few people on bradbarnett.net are getting them at MSRP. You just have to find a dealer that isn't crooked.

Where are those dealers located? Could be a local market thing.

Any head to head with current C6?

One of Ford's selling points with the new BOSS 302 is that many of the parts on the car won't be available via catalog and will we unique to the car. Although the actual peak tq ratings are lower than the stock 5.0 the engine has different heads, cams and intake that allows the engine to rev to 7500rpm with peak power at 7400rpm. What I think is the coolest feature is the "red" key option. The dealer can burn in the PCM a tune that is the same as the track only version of the car that is enabled by using a red colored key. This "red key" calibration will cause the engine to have that lumpy cammed idle and more aggressive power delivery.

Bob

It is a beautiful car but I remember at the L.A. Auto Show they had one on the dyno and it was a very unimpressive presentation. What can they show you on a dyno that doesn't show you hp numbers? Basically it was to show off the exhaust note but to me it sounded like a stock car and I heard more engine noise than exhaust noise. But speed channel had a 1hour show on this car and that was very impressing. I bet it is a monster on the track. Just needs to shed some weight.

Little OT, I'm still wonder'n if Ford is gonna do a light weight Mustang, IRS, and Turbo V6. Now that would start to seriuosly peak my interest.

Mot gettin any lighter, realistically.
I mean, we're talking a FR 2+2 with a v8 upfront and all the modern amenities and safety equipment. There isnt much that can realitically be done to slim it down, short of incredibly expensive materials/processes that would move it out of its current market.
The days of the 3200lb four seat v8 FR car are gone imo. Look at the M3. Historically lightweight, even that car is up at 3704 with a carbon fiber roof and tons of carbon in the structure.
With the press of CAFE standards and such they're already doing all they can to keep weight down, im sure. Im frankly shocked they managed 3600 lbs with all that they have in them anymore. The only way to drop weight further is probably to start losing content and luxury/convenience features, and im not convinced thats the way to go. If you decide you want a 3200 lb track car you have to look around at existing options - corvettes and fox mustangs :huh:
Sad but true.

(as an aside, why does it need to shed weight? its still brutally fast on a track, and it makes few compromises. Its not meant to be an all-out track car, and it flat flies at its current weight. Look at the GTR. Lord knows i hate that damn car, but its fat, and fast. I realize all the benefits of light cars ( hence the Z ) but at the same time, is that really a fair criticism? Fast car is a fast car, however it arrives at that, and the fewer compromises to get there, the better, no? )

Boss:
ACCELERATION TO MPH
0-30 1.6 sec
0-40 2.3
0-50 3.1
0-60 4.0
0-70 5.0
0-80 6.2
0-90 7.6
0-100 9.2
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 1.6
QUARTER MILE 12.3 sec @ 115.8 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 108 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.98 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.7 sec @ 0.78 g (avg)
CURB WEIGHT 3621

GT500:
ACCELERATION TO MPH
0-30 1.6 sec
0-40 2.3
0-50 3.1
0-60 4.1
0-70 5.1
0-80 6.3
0-90 7.7
0-100 9.2
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 2.0
QUARTER MILE 12.4 sec @ 115.8 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 104 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.01 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.0 sec @ 0.82 g (avg)
CURB WEIGHT 3801

I know it's not at the same track on the same day, but the results are not what I would expect. Somehow the Boss is quicker in the quarter mile and runs the same mph as a GT500 even though it's down 106hp. I know it weighs 180lbs more , but still. Also, the GT500 apparently brakes better and is quicker around the figure eight track. It's just strange.

Agreed. After I read the latest Motor Trend comparison where the new GTR had a shorter stopping distance, and also beat a loaded Z06 in the 1/4 mile and around a track, I'm not so sure it matters.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1G4Z1XU24

Weight reduction changes handling feel in a way that nothing else can. It's not just about speed, but "feel". All your points are valid.

Statistically insignificant. Can't really draw any conclusion from that other than that they're in the same league.

They shouldn't be though is the problem. Why is a 444hp car and a 550hp car trapping the same mph?

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the GT500 has about 540hp and poor grip...the ponies are useless if they just spin the tires... they are kind of notorious for this problem I think...
also the boss is 200lbs lighter so i think it has a better hp to weight ratio...
the numbers about don't really portray the differences that well seeing as the time doesn't differ until 50-60 mph but they are on different days and conditions...but if they are toting it as the best mustang ever built from the factory I don't think I would expect anything less

and isnt their "eco boost" v6 turbo? either way though 300hp and 31 mpg is shexy....

Im also reading from multiple credible sources that the boss is underrated to avoid stepping on any GT500 toes. 444 is apparently wrong, and its closer to 460. Just what im seeing based on some early dyno tests from folks who would know.

Could also be that it just has less of a loss than folks are used to through the drivetrain, maybe that new 6 speed is just really efficient? :huh:

I do think there is something to be said for the traction issue brodom is referencing. If you put them both on tire id bet the GT500 pulls out some.

Maybe so ;)

Only mod is slicks...

Sonic you are very right. There is no way they can shed any weight without making the price of the car go up and it is fast how it is but if they did shed weight it would be even faster.

The new m3 is joke. Even diehard BMW fans don't like it.

You hate the GTR!? How!? That car is beautiful. Also heavy and big though