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enkeivette 05-23-2010 06:40 PM

Cambria lost.
 
To an Aston Martin coupe. She really let me down, it was a traction issue, not a horsepower issue.

He wanted to go off the line, so I launched light and feathered the throttle. Spun still. I don't know if it's just that I'm used to the quicker acceleration or what, but I was barely on the gas and I didn't feel like I was launching all that hard and it still spun like crazy.

So I short shifted into 2nd, gave it some more throttle still feathering it. Felt like it was hooking so I layed into it and then it got squirrely. So I short shifted into 3rd, hooked and started to pull on him. But by then I was doing 80 in a 45 so I said fuck it.

Don't want to lose my license. If only we were on the freeway. I think more than an intercooler I need some drag radials.

BADDASSC6 05-23-2010 06:55 PM

Which Austin Martin model was it? I don't think any of them are terribly fast:nutkick:.

enkeivette 05-23-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BADDASSC6 (Post 52111)
Which Austin Martin model was it? I don't think any of them are terribly fast:nutkick:.

It was a coupe, had dealer plates I think. Looked like the Bond one, kinda sorta.

Suck my dick. You and your damn 325s. You ruin my life.

I think the car will hook better with some taller 295 drag radials. I talked with a Cobra guy that last run who had serious traction issues, and he said he can actually hook in 1st now with the drag radials.

enkeivette 05-23-2010 07:09 PM

I came across a present gen ACR Viper on the freeway two days ago. I so badly wanted a piece, but my gf wouldn't allow it. Whipped, yes.

joedls 05-23-2010 07:23 PM

Check out the new Nitto tire.

94cobra69ss396 05-23-2010 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by joedls (Post 52114)
Check out the new Nitto tire.

KJ, the tech editor for 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords magazine was running on those this weekend. He had a really hard time hooking up with them but then again his Mustang is putting down 650rwhp. I brought my MT ET Streets for him to try but he ended up breaking something in the rearend before he had a chance to try them.

Vettezuki 05-23-2010 10:14 PM

It's always the same story.

Power? Not really a problem to build a powerful motor.
Traction? Known solutions, bigger stickier rubber.
Beefed up driveline for power and traction? Known solutions.


Putting them altogether in a street driven car. Fuc*ing unicorn.

enkei, you did say two sensible things in the same thread.
- yeah, DRs are more important for you than an intercooler (if you want to actually go forward from a dig.)
- you better listen Dr. MB.

Leedom 05-24-2010 12:59 AM

I have not had the pleasure of riding in Adam's can but you need to get some traction. Every time you talk your stories are all the.. Light gas... spin, short shift... and repeat. Nice to have as much HP as you do but what is the point if you can't really put it to the ground.:huh:

BADDASSC6 05-24-2010 03:26 AM

Sounds to me like a driver issue. I actually only run 275s front and 295s back Toyo R888s. I do take the rear shock to almost full soft compression and full hard rebound when I go drag racing to help hook.

enkeivette 05-24-2010 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 52119)
It's always the same story.

Power? Not really a problem to build a powerful motor.
Traction? Known solutions, bigger stickier rubber.
Beefed up driveline for power and traction? Known solutions.


Putting them altogether in a street driven car. Fuc*ing unicorn.

enkei, you did say two sensible things in the same thread.
- yeah, DRs are more important for you than an intercooler (if you want to actually go forward from a dig.)
- you better listen Dr. MB.

My gf is a doctor. Yes, yes she is. A doctor, my girlfriend... the doctor. :D

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Originally Posted by Leedom (Post 52122)
I have not had the pleasure of riding in Adam's can but you need to get some traction. Every time you talk your stories are all the.. Light gas... spin, short shift... and repeat. Nice to have as much HP as you do but what is the point if you can't really put it to the ground.:huh:

What good is your tune if you can't put your foot into it because of detonation? It's good for acceleration when you sort everything out, that's what it's good for!

Like I've said, I never intended to make this much power with that motor. Second, I've never owned any other vehicle with even a third this much power. So how was I supposed to know that with $700 275 Nittos traction would be such an issue.

I'll sort it out eventually, but yeah, right now the car is only good for racing people on the freeway. Which is really what I like to do with it anyways. Racing on the streets is asking for it. I could have and probably would have taken that Viper no problem. But hey, doctor's orders.

And I would have taken this guy, if I was willing to go 100mph on Orangethorpe.

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Originally Posted by BADDASSC6 (Post 52123)
Sounds to me like a driver issue. I actually only run 275s front and 295s back Toyo R888s. I do take the rear shock to almost full soft compression and full hard rebound when I go drag racing to help hook.

You think a car that can roast the tires from a roll on the freeway in 3rd gear has a driver issue and not a traction issue? Doubt it. You just wanted to take another jab at my balls.

A more realistic statement is that my car has severe traction issues, but with a better driver, such as yourself, launching would be a much more attainable feat. Even with the insufficient 275s.

Also, these tires are maybe 5 or 6 years old now, and feel kind of hard. Also, you probably drop your air pressure down to 20ish to race I'd guess. While mine was at a stiff 35-40 for good mileage and tire wear on a 200 mile round trip to SD.

BADDASSC6 05-24-2010 04:23 AM

You are correct I was definitely breaking your balls. The true magic trick is to figure out how 1 set of tires can last six years?

I wouldn't sweat losing for now. Things will change after you pass the bar and start getting paid.:drink:

big_G 05-24-2010 07:11 AM

I found out Saturday that even 325 drag radials aren't enough. Still smoke them in third,,,just much harder to do. A side benefit is it's not too squirrely when it loses traction.

P.S. I have found that once you get into the 500rwhp level..EVERYBODY races from 30+mph roll.

94cobra69ss396 05-24-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BADDASSC6 (Post 52123)
Sounds to me like a driver issue. I actually only run 275s front and 295s back Toyo R888s. I do take the rear shock to almost full soft compression and full hard rebound when I go drag racing to help hook.

You can't compare a Toyo R888 to a Nitto NT555. The NT555 has a wear rating of 300 and the Toyo R888 has a 100. I'm running 285s on the back of the Cobra and they spin in second gear if I floor it. But if I run my NT01s (also a 100 wear rating) which are only a 245 I can give it full throttle in first without it spinning.

Adam, a softer tire would help a lot. The only problem is they wear out fast. You could go with a Toyo R888 or a Nitto NT01 that both have a rating of 100. Another option as Joe recommended is Nitto's new NT05 or NT05R. The NT05R has the same 100 wear rating as the NT01 but has a softer sidewall so the tire will obsorb the shock of the clutch better. The NT05 has a wear rating of 200 so it will last longer. Figure that you will get about 5000-6000 miles out of the NT01 and NT05R and twice that out of the NT05. Also, these are all summer tires and don't do well on wet surfaces.

Vettezuki 05-24-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BADDASSC6 (Post 52126)
. . .I wouldn't sweat losing for now. Things will change after you pass the bar and start getting paid.:drink:

Then he can start paying back what he owes for a couple years. :nutkick: He'll be in his 30s before he has any money, but that ain't too shabby really.

enkeivette 05-24-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BADDASSC6 (Post 52126)
You are correct I was definitely breaking your balls. The true magic trick is to figure out how 1 set of tires can last six years?

I wouldn't sweat losing for now. Things will change after you pass the bar and start getting paid.:drink:

It's not my DD, only drive it on the weekends. Usually 20 miles or less.

:beer:


Big_G, :surrender:

CobraSS, I know they wear out fast. Something ridiculous like every 3K miles. Lucky for me, that should be at least 3 years of driving.

94cobra69ss396 05-24-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 52158)
It's not my DD, only drive it on the weekends. Usually 20 miles or less.

:beer:


Big_G, :surrender:

CobraSS, I know they wear out fast. Something ridiculous like every 3K miles. Lucky for me, that should be at least 3 years of driving.

What size tire do you have now? I have 2 Toyo R888 245/40/17 that have one track day on them that I bought for $300 back when I did the Castrol challenge. I'll sell them to you for the same $300.

blackax 05-24-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by big_G (Post 52137)
I found out Saturday that even 325 drag radials aren't enough. Still smoke them in third,,,just much harder to do. A side benefit is it's not too squirrely when it loses traction.

P.S. I have found that once you get into the 500rwhp level..EVERYBODY races from 30+mph roll.

Rolling starts are my friend in the V, Huge wheel hop problem and only 245 (that will be fixed soon going to get me some 275 )

Leedom 05-24-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 52125)
What good is your tune if you can't put your foot into it because of detonation? It's good for acceleration when you sort everything out, that's what it's good for!

My tune is a manufacturer issue not a build/plan issue. I have rectified that issue for the most part. I put my foot into it all the time now.

enkeivette 05-24-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Leedom (Post 52168)
My tune is a manufacturer issue not a build/plan issue. I have rectified that issue for the most part. I put my foot into it all the time now.

Glad to hear it. But you get my point, shit doesn't always work out at first. Not many people can afford the motor, the driveline, the traction and to sort out all of the issues all at once.

My frankencar has a built upper body, and I intend to get it some legs in the future. Till then, the legs are going to suffer.



Ron, I'm on 19s. And I'm going to go with 295s.

Vettezuki 05-24-2010 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 52170)
. . Ron, I'm on 19s. And I'm going to go with 295s.

Did you flare the fenders? Can't remember. 275 is about the max that will fit under a stock C3 body and suspension. Do the offset trailing arms get you much?

94cobra69ss396 05-24-2010 12:52 PM

Carlos has a pair of 275/19 Toyo R888. You should check with him to see how much tread they have left and how much he wants for them.

enkeivette 05-24-2010 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 52171)
Did you flare the fenders? Can't remember. 275 is about the max that will fit under a stock C3 body and suspension. Do the offset trailing arms get you much?

No flares, stock TAs, still going to fit 295s. I don't listen to the corvetteforum consensus.

I see no reason to get offset TAs, the frame and sway bar get in the way before the TAs do. Maybe if you want to run deep 15 or 16 inch wheels they would help.

I didn't relocate the parking brake cable either, just ziptied it to keep it off the tire.

Vettezuki 05-25-2010 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 52201)
No flares, stock TAs, still going to fit 295s. I don't listen to the corvetteforum consensus.

I see no reason to get offset TAs, the frame and sway bar get in the way before the TAs do. Maybe if you want to run deep 15 or 16 inch wheels they would help.

I didn't relocate the parking brake cable either, just ziptied it to keep it off the tire.

Let me know how it goes. I saw a 69' at Bird's on Saturday with 295s and stock TAs and Flares. The tire was right on the TA just about and sticking out under the flare (would smash it under heavy travel and it wasn't lowered). But maybe you know some way to fit 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag.

enkeivette 05-25-2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 52202)
Let me know how it goes. I saw a 69' at Bird's on Saturday with 295s and stock TAs and Flares. The tire was right on the TA just about and sticking out under the flare (would smash it under heavy travel and it wasn't lowered). But maybe you know some way to fit 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag.

I know that I'm running 275s right now, and the tires are more than 10mm from the TAs/ frame/ sway bar.

If you look at my avatar you can see my rims stick out just a tad further than stock.

Vettezuki 05-25-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 52210)
I know that I'm running 275s right now, and the tires are more than 10mm from the TAs/ frame/ sway bar.

If you look at my avatar you can see my rims stick out just a tad further than stock.

Related Q. How wide are your rims?

enkeivette 05-25-2010 08:57 PM

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