Possible Motorgen Project Cars
We've been kicking around ideas for doing project cars for a while. Here are some options in the poll. Let us know your thoughts.
Obviously we're looking for a fun way to promote the site (well duh). The constraints are in this order: 1 cost - No budget set but we're talking a few grand tops, but on top of donations of some parts and time, it should be enough . . . I think. 2 performance - The idea is to have fun and promote the site with something interesting. It doesn't have to be a world beating masterpiece. 3 time - There are no special deadlines. (But deadlines will be set.) One of the ideas is that any members who participate meaningfully with donations of time or parts can drive the car. I have an L83 SBC, and 700R4 that could be used. It's optional for it to be a a street car or track only car. It should have some kind of interesting feature or character. It's good if it can mix up different bits and pieces from different makers, keeping in line with what the site is about. The poll is just some options. If you have some more, let us know. HOW THE PROJECT WOULD KINDA WORK[ I'm a fan of the Tiger Team Model. That is talented people have responsibility for a project or an area of a project depending on the size and complexity. Project subdivision would look something like: Project Manager (Vettezuki, unless one of you would like to take it on) Oversees total project flow between units. Manages budget and scheduling. Is ultimately responsible for final product. Gets no credit upon success. Must commit ritual suicide upon failure. Ok, I'm kidding about the last bit. Engine System Responsible for engine, computer and harness (if it exists), engine cooling, intercooling (if exists), fuel storage and supply. PARTS - Vettezuki - L83 SBC - 94cobra69ss396 - TT V6 (Z Motor)? - joedls - Forged 302 Ford LABOR Driveline Transmission, axle, etc. PARTS - Vettezuki - 700R4 - 94cobra69ss396 - 5 Speed from Z? - joedls - 4 speed toploader LABOR Steering/Suspension Steering, Springs, Shocks, etc. PARTS LABOR Interior/Safety Seat, harness, switchgear, cage (if necessary) PARTS LABOR Paint/Body (I know a guy:)) Uh, Paint and body MATERIALS LABOR General Fabrication msc. bits and pieces that will be required almost no matter what. MATERIALS LABOR If something strikes your fancy, please indicate which area you'd like to work in or what you might be able to contribute by posting a reply to this thread. You are not restricted to one area, but don't over commit yourself. Anybody who contributes a major component, cash donation, or works on one of these teams can drive the car at the track or (if a street car) on our cruises. |
Do you already have a lead on a car? I like the idea of the SBC in the 240sx.
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That depends on what year your engine is. Do you still have all the smog euipment for it?
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I feel the MII is most practical. The others would have way too much front weight. They used to put SBC's in Jags and Healy's. Front weight proved to be too much for the susp, and the weight was way too froward.
My fav is the elec drag car, but you need big $$ and sponsors for that. It's up my alley too, but I do not have the access to stuff I had 10 years ago. |
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The electric drag car thing is going to happen at some point. But as you mention, the cost and technical details are in a different category. Probably a better choice for a later project car. |
My dad still has a 3.0 turbo V6 and 5 speed trans out of his 1985 300ZX that I crashed 15 years ago. I could probably get it from him if we would like to put it in something. He still has the computer and wire harness as well. We could turn the boost up on it and Corn Fed could tune it.
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How does the weight compare to an SBC? With CornFed's experience, maybe we could do an E85 conversion too? :huh: |
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I'm torn between a 914 and a 240sx...
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Options have been updated to reflect additional possibilities. The electric drag car has been removed because it's probably "The Bridge Too Far" for a first effort.
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The turbo V6 would be cool, especially if we went with a 240SX. But as Ben said, a bit pricey for the return. I'll be we'd see only 300whp after a couple grand even. I'd go with Ben's L83. Pull the heads off, and bolt on some cheap used overly ported E-Bay heads. Lots of guys will port their heads too much, and the motor will run like crap, so they try to ditch them on E-Bay as having "special race porting." But for a drag/ track only car, who cares how well the motor behaves? It will always be up in the high rpm anyways. If we could score some tall gears and a manual gear box, then it would be even better for a peaky power band. Then, score the biggest used solid flat tappet cam that we can (matched to the heads of course) with a 110-114 (preferably 114) lsa, try to keep the compression between 7.5 & 8.5:1. Then bolt on a big 6-71 or an 8-71 used, from an old GM diesel. Top it off with a used, possibly donated, or loaned, Holley... And that's all she wrote. I'll bet you could score the H&C&SC for a grand. Or, used H&C& Big Nitrous Kit. I'm voting for the 240sx or the RX7 with a blown sbc. |
Why Buy One when you Can Buy Two?
Check it out. I learned from my Vette project, that if your' going to replace large amounts of stuff, there ain't too much point in spending $$ on a "good" car to begin with.
If we did something crazy like this, we could turn the 280 into a drag car with the blown SBC and the 240 into a street car with the TT V6 (no smog probelms). |
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Also, as a drag car, we'd have to worry about the CV joints breaking (or whatever they use). |
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And I hate to rain on your parade even more, but CARB components for the TTV6 wouldn't be very cost effective. ...Stick with one car for now. |
If I were you, I'd either win the auction, or watch it CLOSELY and let it time out, then submit an offer. Turn around and sell the orange one, and keep the parts car for the project. IMHO.
Actually, we should make a plaster mold of the orange hood before you sell it. Then lay one out in fiberglass for the other car. Also, take the pass seat out of the blue one and put it in the orange one to up the resale. |
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I'd like to get some other folks to chime in, but at least on the surface a running 240 and parts 280 for $800~, even in the condition they're in seems like something that should be kept a close eye in in the next day or so, since the auction times out on the 31st. I know you got law school and all that, but would have some time for body and paint, nothing so extravagant, once you finish the Vette? |
BTW, I thought that you were talking about this 240sx.
If it's between the Datsun Z and the RX7, I'd change my vote to the RX7. Sexier body lines. But the car itself really isn't that important either way. Seeing as how it will just be a shell. |
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A SBC in a Mustang II. No way.
I like the Mazda with a SBC. Ok, lets find a body first.:thumbs_up I have a bunch of small block parts- even an extra dual quad intake. I have 5 or six extra set of heads. I have a bunch of shit Chevy parts laying around. I even have a 454 short block --but that is going to be hard to talk me out of.:sm_laughing: I've built hundreds of SBCs over the years. I maybe can help there.:laugh: |
Darlene has a 1990 Toyota Celica GT in her garage that needs to be removed. She has got an offer of $200 for it. We can talk her out of it. BUT, its a complete vehicle and it needs a LOT of work.
Just throwing it out there.:drink: I'm trying to talk her into getting rid of the 95 T-bird too.:) |
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well hmmmmm well if you guys dont mind im down to throw in a new submission for the project car.
i got an evo engine with a bad piston ring thats easily rebuildable and i have a 87 mitsu starion. and i know where to go to get all the parts and things for the swap. all i need is help and donations :-D you guys know u wanna hop on this and also it wouldnt be the same ol sbc in an import swap u see everywhere :-D but if i had to pic from what you guys threw up i guess the FD body style of rx-7 with a sbc would be ok lol |
I am sure I am a little biased but I would like to see something done with a Mustang II. Nobody likes those things and they really are never seen. I think that doing something that would gets peoples attention. IE a car not really coveted going fast would be pretty cool. Drop a TT V6 in it. That would be fun. Smog should not be a big issue.
I am down with any of the builds and would more than willing to put in a little money and lots of man hours to help. |
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ok then well stick to the sbc rx-7 build lol but i am taking donations for the starion :-D just pm me and ill send you the paypal email lol :laugh: |
When you guys talk about RX-7s, what years are your referring to? This looks like a pretty clean 1979 that's locally available for something roughly in our price range (though the 240 and 280 for $800 still has my attention.)
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BUT!!!! They want to put a SBC in it. That just won't do. If we want to go fast we will need a FORD motor. :drink: |
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I won. It will be free, unless you WANT to give her $200. Me, I wouldn't even take it if it was free.:p |
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