C7 review
 

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/cor...road-test.html

Makes me want to sell the 5.0

Am I the only one that thinks its a bit on the ugly side?

Nope. You are not alone. The reality for me is that I think it's ugly, but I don't give a shit as long as its a significant improvement over the c6. I didn't think the c6 had enough change from the c5. There are a lot of improvements here.

Id rather keep the 5.0 than get this Vette.

I've been watching review vids and reading about it recently. They did a hell of a good job overall in making a complete range of improvements. I'm curious to see if this helps them make penetration into Europe in particular. (Though the import tariffs make it fairly expensive compared to here.) If I'm not mistaken this is also the first generation that will have right hand drive from the factory for those markets as well. The C6 did relatively well in Japan in particular (relative to expectations).

I don't think it's ugly OTHER than the rear end. GM seems to have a hard time with tying in rear ends to an overall design. :smack: Curious to see what they do with the upstream performance models, and a next generation ZR1. Twin turbo?

This

We already went down the Stang vs Vette rat-hole. The vette is better by far at everything. I will admit that with all the mods the vette is scary on the track where the stang was a lot of fun. Even though I've made people cry in both.

I like it.

The only thing is though, granted I haven't fully compared the 2, is the Mustang is probably quite a bit cheaper to modify.

Yes is is much cheaper to modify. No doubt about it.

Could you turn your 5.0 in to what your corvette is for the same money?

BTW I want a C7

No.

That's because vette owners brag about how much they spend on parts whereas mustang owners brag about how cheap they got parts. IMO mustang owners are the ricers of the domestic world.

Wow.....

+1.

:jester:

Whole lot of opinion with no facts. Pretty standard post. At least we agree that mustangs are cheaper modify. I always felt that it comes down to quality and quantity. The Maximum Motorsport (mustang standard) stuff is all tubular material with flanges while PFADT (corvette standard) is all machined or cast. Huge difference in manufacturing cost. The other major factor is production numbers and target audience. There are many more mustangs sold than corvettes and the target audience is much younger making them more likely to start tuning. The older corvette crowd will not be as likely to modify, but the ones that do will have a lot more capital.

Ask yourself, who hasn't owned and modified a mustang? What about a vette?

How is any of it factual? "IMO" means my opinion. I get there are more mustangs, I get that parts are cheaper, I've been in the mustang scene a long time, been a member of countless clubs and mustang owners piss me off the most. More Chinese parts for mustangs than vettes, but every vette owner I've met at shows has said with the biggest grin on their face about the cost of their parts. I'm disgusted at how much money the 87 has in it.

Exactly

The economic explanation is pretty simple and sort of what Carlos was hinting at. Mustangs have everything from wonderful, beautiful, expertly done modifications to . . . uh, I think you missed a spot . . with the duck tape. Vettes don't have that kind of spread. Not even in the South where they are pretty common and fairly cheap do they reach quite the same, errr, bottom. The reason is entry level price and availability. That's it. Keep going up the spectrum and you see less modification at all. How many modified Ferraris are there?

It's actually a pretty interesting sociological/economic subject.

But when I typed in American Rice Mustang and that popped up, I knew I had to pull the pin on the grenade and toss it in the room. Boooom muthafuckas!

It's all pretty factual. 68650 Mustangs sold in 2012 12,841 Corvettes were sold in the same time frame. Thats roughly 5 to 1. How many sub 1:50 mustangs do you see at California Speedway? I've seen 1. I can think of at least a dozen Corvettes that will go below 1:50 everytime.

So I basically shared a review of the C7 and stated that I am considering selling my 2013 5.0 in order to make room for the C7. I was asked if I could achieve the performance of the vette in the stang for the same money. I say no, because I haven't seen any Mustang that can hang with my vette at California Speedway. I will admit that thing would be different on another track or drag racing.

What kind of road courses would equalize towards the Mustang? I'm guessing just ones that are less "technical" and have more open stretches where power mods can help to keep up the average speed and therefore ET?

Flat, smooth, and no transitions. The other track is a drag racing track. Live axles are superior to IRS in a straight line.

Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.

Maybe keep up with a Camaro that is 500lbs heavier, but it will not keep up with a equally prepared corvette. Now if you got your Max project together maybe you will prove me wrong. Probably not though.

Max is neither three link nor a road course car.

Source comparing apples to apples isolating 3-link vs. IRS?

I was looking before I left for the gym, it's easy to find comparisons of mustang IRS vs 3 link mustang. Not so much others,I'll look more when I'm home.I do know that if the owner of griggs can pull a 1.29 At willow in his car(fox mustang) then there are others as well.

From fastest laps
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_gt_50.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_carrera_s.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_turbo.html

I'd say that's comparable to IRS.

http://www.stangtv.com/news/video-ag...s-laguna-seca/

Fastest laps is self reports so i wouldn't put much weight in those numbers one way or another. The Harbinger is a custom car weighing in at around 2,000lbs. It costs a lot, is' pretty much a track only rough as fuck car that's still slower than a ZO6 or GT-R. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but it kind of proves the point. The gucci end of the spectrum of custom stuff, is NOT hanging with off the shelf stuff with IRS in the same price range.

Now a lighting Lap with sector analysis comparing a C6 base to a current 5.0 would be interesting.

What was your best time with the R888 tires? What is your best time now with the new tires and what tire is it again?

Fine :rolleyes:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
My point, is on a good track they're very similar. Bump roads, the IRS shines easily.

And Uhm, what? the harbinger ROLLING chassis weighs 2000lbs, so probably 2800ish with the rest of the drivetrain. I was parked next to the Agent 47 fox a few years ago at knotts and got to talk to him. The car isn't "custom" it's offered as a turn key purchase vehicle using dynacorn bodies. Also, remember that's still a 69 mustang. The fox chassis cars are faster than the harbinger chassis.

If by good track you mean nice and smooth, nobody is really arguing this. See Carlos previously. Though apparently even the micro-margin matters to purpose built cars, perhaps because of the curb crashing they do.

I want to go around the track as a passenger in your C6, just once. Thats what I want for my quinceanera

Ha! And AOL dial up could probably hang with DSL if you had the right setup. But why argue technology? IRS is better.

Dump money into your setup and it can hang with an IRS I'm sure, but you're starting with a handicap. Dump money into the IRS and now it's better again.

I know I'm no racer, but I also know indy cars are not solid axles. And I also know GM, Mopar, and Ford (who know more about designing cars than you) don't waste 3 fucking cents on a car if they can do the same thing cheaper. So why IRS in the Vettes, Vipers and Cobras if solid axles are just as good?

Not on purpose at least. AIR, the current Mustang was going to have an IRS, but it was going to cost a bit more than a live axle ($100/unit or something like that). So they panned it and went with the Live Axle. But they really weren't happy with the performance they were getting, so the tweaked and tweaked and updated the design and fab and by the time they were done it cost more than their originally intended IRS.

BTW, the new Mustang will have an IRS AFIK.

Solid axle IS better at somethings. It's simpler, generally lighter overall in production cars, strong as all hell, and better for straight line traction/acceleration.

It can be comparable in performance on curvy roads IF the roads are very smooth.

It simply can't hang on rougher courses all things being equal.

There are some ride quality differences as well, but that's more subjective I suppose.

Not at all. The SS is a shit box that is not tune for performance driving. The same car with the 1LE suspension package crushed the Boss. The ZL1 is 2.5 seconds faster at VIR weighing more and having 100 less hp. 1.29 G is not that much. I pull more than that and have the Traqmate data to prove it. Shit with a little banking 2 Gs are not a lot.
So when was the last time you went to the track? Please remember that the question was if I could do with my mustang what I do with the vette for the same money. The answer is still no. The reasoning in your arguments is invalid. It's time to stop typing and go spend some time on the track so you can confirm what you read online with real life experience.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...r-times-page-8

Getting ready to move this to the grudge match section :) I'll sit shotgun in Carlos' car to make sure he doesn't use nitrous.