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enkeivette 12-31-2009 01:42 AM

Widen Rims?
 
Does anyone know a shop that does this? Or a general cost to widen rims? I'm talking about, slicing them down the center, adding material and rewelding.

Vettezuki 12-31-2009 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 41385)
Does anyone know a shop that does this? Or a general cost to widen rims? I'm talking about, slicing them down the center, adding material and rewelding.

I ain't gonna lie. I've never even heard of such a thing. I would think you'd simply be better off selling your existing rims, combining proceeds with what something like this might cost (to do properly) and buy a new set of rims at the desired width. :huh:

kdracer73 12-31-2009 08:07 AM

Chuck and I found a guy who said he could this type of thing. Picked up the wheels, had them for 2 months, sent them back and said he can't do it :smack:

joedls 12-31-2009 08:40 AM

Here's a company I know some Mustang guys have used with success.

enkeivette 12-31-2009 04:32 PM

Awesome, thanks Joe. Need to offset my trailing arms then I will be doing this. I plan to go in as far as possible, without cutting the frame. It would be so nice to get some 335s back there.

BRUTAL64 12-31-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 41430)
Awesome, thanks Joe. Need to offset my trailing arms then I will be doing this. I plan to go in as far as possible, without cutting the frame. It would be so nice to get some 335s back there.

You can off set the tailing arms quite a bit, but the upper frame is the issue. Do some measuring and (IF I remember correctly) there is not as much room that you think there is.

enkeivette 01-01-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 41441)
You can off set the tailing arms quite a bit, but the upper frame is the issue. Do some measuring and (IF I remember correctly) there is not as much room that you think there is.

Gay. Have people been notching the frame or what do they do?

BRUTAL64 01-01-2010 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 41476)
Gay. Have people been notching the frame or what do they do?

Mostly crying alot. I don't remember the exact measurment, you could notch the frame but it would be easier to go out-ward extending your fenders out also. Your paint is fresh so you will not notice it after you paint it.:boggled:

enkeivette 01-02-2010 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 41488)
Mostly crying alot. I don't remember the exact measurment, you could notch the frame but it would be easier to go out-ward extending your fenders out also. Your paint is fresh so you will not notice it after you paint it.:boggled:

No flares.

Vettezuki 01-02-2010 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 41502)
No flares.

Then you're pretty limited. Going off memory, I think something like a 10" rim with 305~ is the max you can get under the body with the offset trailing arms. But, 305 in something sticky (you aren't putting a lot of miles on it) wouldn't be bad at all.

BRUTAL64 01-02-2010 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 41503)
Then you're pretty limited. Going off memory, I think something like a 10" rim with 305~ is the max you can get under the body with the offset trailing arms. But, 305 in something sticky (you aren't putting a lot of miles on it) wouldn't be bad at all.

Yea, if you could get that to fit--then maybe:motorsmile:

big2bird 01-13-2010 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 41441)
You can off set the tailing arms quite a bit, but the upper frame is the issue. Do some measuring and (IF I remember correctly) there is not as much room that you think there is.

Correct answer. Now you know why Greenwood and Guldstrand made wide bodies. The offset T/A's give you a tad, and relocate the ebrake cable, but your limited by the frame. Flares are the answer. "You can't have your pudding till you eats your meat."

enkeivette 01-14-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by big2bird (Post 42512)
Correct answer. Now you know why Greenwood and Guldstrand made wide bodies. The offset T/A's give you a tad, and relocate the ebrake cable, but your limited by the frame. Flares are the answer. "You can't have your pudding till you eats your meat."

I noticed that the other day when I stuck my head under there. Actually I really don't even see how offset trailing arms would make a difference.

I thought about doing flares when I was doing body work but I don't like the way they look. Looks like gummy bear tires will be my best option. I think with some Hoosiers 295s on my 19s I should be able to stop crying about traction so much.

Do you guys think my diff will hold up to this? How about my clutch? My clutch is supposed to be good for only 500 ft/ lbs.

Damian 01-14-2010 01:52 PM

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BRUTAL64 01-14-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42548)
Do you guys think my diff will hold up to this? How about my clutch? My clutch is supposed to be good for only 500 ft/ lbs.

No, I snap the inner stub axles on my Vette if I power shift from first to second. Done it twice. Once with an LT1 motor with dual quads and second with a 400 with dual quads.:crutches:

Vettezuki 01-14-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42548)
. . . Do you guys think my diff will hold up to this? How about my clutch? My clutch is supposed to be good for only 500 ft/ lbs.

There's obviously ways to do it. I remember the guys at Legendary Motor Cars built up an old C3 with a nutty L88 that was like 700HP and sticky tires and it didn't break anything. I forget his name, bird knows, maybe Glenn too, but there's an old timer on Vettemod that is the guru for the netire C3 stock rear end, including building super tough 12 bolt diffs, custom offset TAs, etc. etc.

enkeivette 01-14-2010 07:01 PM

Then I guess I'll try to make my Nittos last till I'm out of school and have a job. :(

BRUTAL64 01-14-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 42572)
There's obviously ways to do it. I remember the guys at Legendary Motor Cars built up an old C3 with a nutty L88 that was like 700HP and sticky tires and it didn't break anything. I forget his name, bird knows, maybe Glenn too, but there's an old timer on Vettemod that is the guru for the netire C3 stock rear end, including building super tough 12 bolt diffs, custom offset TAs, etc. etc.

Tom Diffs in Paramount is the 12 Bolt king for the C2 and C3s.

GTR1999 on Vettemod.com is the best I know of for the 8.2 Vette Diffs.

big2bird 01-14-2010 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 42599)
Tom Diffs in Paramount is the 12 Bolt king for the C2 and C3s.

GTR1999 on Vettemod.com is the best I know of for the 8.2 Vette Diffs.

Yep. Except I believe Tom sold out to a guy in Idaho. Gary (GTR1999) knows the scoop. The 12 bolt set up is pretty killer. Then, you can start snapping something else. TimAT is afraid if he ever hooks that LS-7 hard, he'll grenade all kinds of shit.

enkeivette 01-15-2010 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by big2bird (Post 42616)
Yep. Except I believe Tom sold out to a guy in Idaho. Gary (GTR1999) knows the scoop. The 12 bolt set up is pretty killer. Then, you can start snapping something else. TimAT is afraid if he ever hooks that LS-7 hard, he'll grenade all kinds of shit.

Did he finally get some wide tires under there?

enkeivette 01-15-2010 12:24 AM

I talked to Gary already before I installed the blower. He says the weak links are the side yokes, the ring gear bolts? and the posi clutches. I guess I could take it apart and just upgrade all of that stuff and see if it holds. Before I dump 3.5K into a 12 bolt.

big2bird 01-15-2010 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42628)
I talked to Gary already before I installed the blower. He says the weak links are the side yokes, the ring gear bolts? and the posi clutches. I guess I could take it apart and just upgrade all of that stuff and see if it holds. Before I dump 3.5K into a 12 bolt.

I wouldn't bother till it grenades, but if I were you, I'd install safety yokes, so that when it goes, you don't have a half shaft up your ass.:D
Before you spend any more $$ on upgrades, I would install an SFI bell housing, flywheel, and saftey yokes. :thumbs_up:
Right now, your tires are the "saftey valve." Hook them up hard, and it will become somewhere else.;)

enkeivette 01-15-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by big2bird (Post 42638)
I wouldn't bother till it grenades, but if I were you, I'd install safety yokes, so that when it goes, you don't have a half shaft up your ass.:D
Before you spend any more $$ on upgrades, I would install an SFI bell housing, flywheel, and saftey yokes. :thumbs_up:
Right now, your tires are the "saftey valve." Hook them up hard, and it will become somewhere else.;)

I asked this question on VM with no response. Who makes a safety bellhousing for the T56? And will it fit in my tunnel? I'll answer the 2nd question for you. No.

BRUTAL64 01-15-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42688)
I asked this question on VM with no response. Who makes a safety bellhousing for the T56? And will it fit in my tunnel? I'll answer the 2nd question for you. No.

Call McLeod they are local. They do safety bellhousings.:drink:

enkeivette 01-16-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 42721)
Call McLeod they are local. They do safety bellhousings.:drink:

Nothing is going to fit in my tunnel. And Mc Leod would want too much money.

Vettezuki 01-16-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42780)
Nothing is going to fit in my tunnel. And Mc Leod would want too much money.

ATI Makes one for a lot less. As for fitment I don't know, good question. As for cost, how much are your feet worth?

ATI SFI Bellhousing

enkeivette 01-16-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 42784)
ATI Makes one for a lot less. As for fitment I don't know, good question. As for cost, how much are your feet worth?

ATI SFI Bellhousing

That's not going to bolt up to a T56. This is the problem I keep posting to everyone. That looks like it's for a SB to a 4 speed.

BRUTAL64 01-16-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42780)
Nothing is going to fit in my tunnel. And Mc Leod would want too much money.

You didn't say anything about cost.:boggled:

enkeivette 01-16-2010 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 42795)
You didn't say anything about cost.:boggled:

OK, but does Mc Leod even make a bellhousing for the T56?

big2bird 01-16-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42798)
OK, but does Mc Leod even make a bellhousing for the T56?

Someboday asked about this on VM awhile back, and Marck had the answer. I can't find it now.:uh:

big2bird 01-16-2010 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42780)
Nothing is going to fit in my tunnel.

Know anybody that does fiberglass?:nutkick:

enkeivette 01-17-2010 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by big2bird (Post 42810)
Know anybody that does fiberglass?:nutkick:

Our tunnels are steel.

big2bird 01-17-2010 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42818)
Our tunnels are steel.

Well then I guess that's permanent and unchangeable..:inout:

big2bird 01-17-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42688)
I asked this question on VM with no response. Who makes a safety bellhousing for the T56? And will it fit in my tunnel? I'll answer the 2nd question for you. No.

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enkeivette 01-17-2010 12:08 PM

You founf it Bird, nice. $500 :o

big2bird 01-17-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 42827)
You founf it Bird, nice. $500 :o

TT found it. Just write it off as necessary. When you REALLY hook up, the rules change. Gotta remeber, these things were designed to work with nylon cord tires. Excess HP just became smoke.:lmfao:

enkeivette 01-17-2010 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by big2bird (Post 42829)
TT found it. Just write it off as necessary. When you REALLY hook up, the rules change. Gotta remeber, these things were designed to work with nylon cord tires. Excess HP just became smoke.:lmfao:

It'll make sense to do this when I do the clutch, and tires. After watching that vid on VM of the exploding clutch I don't think it will be a good idea to have an underrated clutch with sticky tires.

Ultraperio 02-12-2010 12:03 AM

Alot of people look into C4 rear end when swapping LS's into FC's for more strength and more gearing options so you might look into that. Not sure what kind of power they can take but the TII rear can take upwards of 500hp and the C4 swap is said to be a substantial improvement.

But if your looking for strait line traction and grenade proofing, a 12 bolt or 9 inch would probably be a better investment.

Vettezuki 02-12-2010 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultraperio (Post 44897)
Alot of people look into C4 rear end when swapping LS's into FC's for more strength and more gearing options so you might look into that. Not sure what kind of power they can take but the TII rear can take upwards of 500hp and the C4 swap is said to be a substantial improvement.

But if your looking for strait line traction and grenade proofing, a 12 bolt or 9 inch would probably be a better investment.

I lokked into this quite a bit for our project car, RX-Snake an FC with blown SBF. It seems how much the TII unit will handle is highly traction dependent (as always). There's guys running them with big power LS motors, but on street tires and as bird says, it just gets turned into smoke. On sticky rubber 400-450WHP seems about it. Ford 8.8/9" is the way to go if you go much beyond this. We plan an 8.8.

You're right about the C4 Dana 44 as a good replacement for C3s, but the 12bolt is the best big power sticky option. Neverthless, at 390WHP I've gotten dozens of drag radial launches on my C3 aluminum Dana 44 . . .


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