DWncchs…you and your buddy d_b have at least one thing in common…you both like to pretend to be something you are not on the internet.

It’s not about the bikini girls…what kind of guy needs to pay some waitresses to wash his car every week…same kind of guy who scammed red out of 770…then claims he spent it on a furnace. He probably used the money to pay a hooker to pose nude with his car, thinking he will get the money back by selling the photographs :sm_laughing:

And that, gentlemen, sums it all up rather nicely.:thumbs_up:

You couldn't pay for the comic entertainment this jack off provides oh and rodsaknocking is that another term for sword fight? Not that I'm attacking your sexual preference if your gay that's fine maybe you should come out and that will snap you into reality and out of this demented little world you live in.

Rodsknockin:

Furthermore, knowledge of the law is in no way an inadvertent admission of guilt.

Meaning, that even if what you were doing made any sort of sense, it still wouldn't have proven anything. Getting forum members to admit that they have knowledge of the law in no way speaks to their behavior.

Ex. If you claimed that "murder is defined as a unicorn having sex with a donkey," then I corrected you to say "no, murder is when someone intentionally causes death to another." My correction (and inadvertent admission of knowledge) in no way means that I murdered someone. Moron.

We have a winner. :sm_laughing:



Answers my earlier question of how rods could knock... now I kinda wish I hadn't asked. :leaving:

Let me get this straight. Just because I know what rape is, doesn't mean I am a rapist? ;)

I see someone got the avatar they wanted for christmas.

Oh man.....just what I needed to see on a Monday morning.......Yikes!

Just a quick heads-up....but in case anyone thinks Durango_Thief left town or was abducted by Hooter girls at gunpoint, I checked the CF and his online light is lit. What seems to have happened is he's sent his surrogates to do his fighting for him. Like I said earlier, V-Twin did such a great job ripping him a new a-hole that he's in lurk mode, if he visits here at all. Plus I think he realizes that the mods here aren't going to protect him like they do at CF...to which I am eternally grateful and have the highest respect for these mods and the forum admin :thumbs_up::thumbs_up:

On the credit card thing...I am aware of and have used credit cards to resolve issues. I've been 100% successful with that method. But I have also been 100% successful with using the resolution center at Ebay to solve my problems. I have used checks or money orders to pay for some items in the past. But it's pretty rare for me to do that nowadays. Only way I would do that now is if the item was less than $25 and I wanted it VERY badly. $25 is the limit I have set for "money risk" on Ebay. :D

Are the boys leaning on you? :laugh:

Nope….no one cares

Here are a few random posts from the monster these guys are talking about,the dreaded DWncchs. Doesnt look like the trouble maker these VM boys make him out to be.At the bottom is the thread he started to try and help out Red69.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...use-block.html



http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-g...dow-issue.html


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...s-morning.html


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-g...ease-help.html


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...nd-gauges.html


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...d-working.html


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...iper-door.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...uld-share.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...oo-bright.html




http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-g...69s-heads.html

Here are few from Vettmod of the mean and nasty 18436572.Maybe Bigbird is upset because he stated a thread asking new guys to ask questions and when 18436572 ask him one guess what he couldnt answer it. Duh. These probably wont last long because they will "sanitize" them. Where have we heard that before? Oh and it looks like 18436572 has been banned or locked out but I haven't.

http://www.vettemod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2381

http://www.vettemod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2507

http://www.vettemod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2538

enkievette you need to ban me quick and shut me up.All this truthful information on the Drunken Brawl Cafe might undermine the Vettmod boys credibility.Wow almost 5000 views.

Those of you that really want the truth take a min and go to CF and sign up and go through the archives of the VM boys posts and see the hate they were spreading.If CF didnt like them they were going to make sure no one had any peace.Just check all the boys that have posted in this thread and let everyone know what you think.

I have an idea Rodger. Just post a link at CF to this thread. I have no problem with that at all.:thumbs_up:

I don't answer questions I don't know about, unlike some "innocent" CF people you feel the need to defend.:rant:

As for sanitizing. That's a CF thing.;)

As for banning, I wonder why you would think that?:D

Dear Mr. Surrogate,
We know something you don't know. Heh-heh. Thanks for that heads-up redvetracr!!! :thumbs_up:

Rods: Why izzit YOU are the only one that sees "the truth"? You can't even be truthful about your forum name.

Perhaps what he "meant to say" was Fegans Law from Oliver Twist?"
"In this life, one thing counts, in the bank, in large amounts. Charities fine, subscribe to mine, you gotta pick a pocket or two.":smack:

:popcorn:

Maybe he should start a legal defense fund too? I am sure the "innocent" party involved would appreciate it. I have this anonymous e-mail I recieved. I wonder what it could mean? It might create more heat than any furnace ever could.:laugh:



"I'm not done with him.. The US Attorney's office told me to quit posting on Craigslists about him and his Chiropractor buddy because they would drop the case if I didn't. They are about to nail his nuts to the wall and hang him out to dry for Internet Sanction's Law. "Auction Interference" . He has done this numerous times and they have many complaints against him. They are going to try and get him some fed jail time along with his arrogant buddy."

I wonder if I still have the letter about the copywritten paper he bought from the author on my hard drive. I'll have to take look sometime.:laugh:

I didn't see a point in continuing to argue with them. They do fine all by themselves. I will clear up a few things.

When Mike paid me for the heads that I had, it was still a simple operation. However, like a Douche_Bag I dropped one and the damage was not pretty.

I decided, cleared with Mike, that I would send the money to the same machine shop where I had bought the set from originally so a NEW set could be built and sent to Mike from them directly.

This means...the money Mike paid me, went to the machine shop. This translates to...I don't have the heads or the payment from Mike, so my refund to him must come out of my own pocket.

Being that I am already in financial trouble coming up with $770 on the fly is tough for me. Trust me I have asked all my close friends and family for the money and no one is in a position to help. I'm a very low income household and I don't mind telling everyone that.

The furnace problem couldn't have come at a worse time. Not even mentioning it was 3 degrees outside and 35 inside when I woke up that morning. Regardless, the check I got to pay back Mike was from my own personal money through a MM at work...not Mike's money...it was MY money I was going to use to may Mike back.

The furnace itself was not $4,300, the labor to install it was included in the $4,300.

No one else here has mentioned it, so I will, that I have been in constant contact with Mike and let him know that I have been having money problems and wanted to send him a check to show him I was trying to get him his money, to hold him over until I could gather the remaining balance.

Mike refused, saying he would NOT accept any money from me in any way unless it was for the full amount.

That, if you ask me, is lending to the problem because I have to now save for the full amount, making him wait longer, and giving all of these guys the chance to call me a thief and a liar.

Just so we're clear, I didn't ask anyone to join or start posting here to help me or back me up. If anyone did that then they were doing it on their own accord and it sounds like they are having some fun with the Vettemod guys.

The alternator clocking thing is just another topic they love to rip on me about, so here's a proof pic to shut them up, because guess what, MOST CS130 cases cannot be clocked for mounting purposes at all, and yes, as I suggested to the original poster, it's better to take it back to Oreilly and exchange it for a case that is already suited for your application without having to crack it open and void the warranty. He had bought one of these cases and needed a case with a 12 & 6 clocking.

Note, THIS CS130 case, which is very common, has BOTH mounting tabs on the same case half, making it IMPOSSIBLE to clock it for any other mounting position. Is that when you old guys fell out of your chairs? I'd love to see you tell someone that all you have to do is remove the 3 case bolts and rotate these halves to clock it. The poster didn't say he needed the BAT lug moved...he needed the mounting tabs moved. But you guys won't mention that will you?

I appreciate you answering my question. I kind of get where you're coming from, but one problem remains. What happened to the heads that you paid the shop for? They should have shipped them directly to him, right? Also, do you have a receipt for that transaction? I'm just trying to piece things together here :smack:

Oh, and before anyone else jumps in to refute anything, I'd like to hear his response first please. I just want to hear his entire side of the story. Thanks :bigthumbsup:

As soon as I damaged the set I was going to send Mike I got on the phone with that machine shop, and the owner who I have used before and considered a friend, and I told him I needed a set of the same heads, sent to a different address, and I was sending him money. His Paypal account was closed so I procured a money order from the Post Office and mailed it to the machine shop. He received the payment, and started on the heads.

The first big delay came from the machine shop not having enough valves to complete the set and they had to wait for more. I also had them machine the temp sender hole a bit bigger on one side so Mike could use his stock temp sender. I had originally told him I would machine a stock one down for him but decided to have the machine shop do it on their end while they were waiting for the valves.

Soon after, I couldn't get emails to or from them, and I only got the owner on the phone a few times. He did tell me the heads shipped and I had to get a hold of him later to ask for the tracking, when he told me there was no tracking and that his dock worker shipped them with nothing added to the basic shipping costs, which was about $40. He told me he had no way to track or confirm. This also means that we don't know if they were lost, stolen, shipped to the wrong address, or just not shipped at all.

Contact with the machine shop at this point is not possible, and completely my problem...just like the rest of it. I fully understand that Mike needs to be paid back but I can only go as fast as I can raise the money.

To make this clear, despite all the accusations, I never intended to steal or scam Mike. I know he doesn't believe that and I would feel just like him if I were in his shoes. However I am in MY shoes, and it feels totally different on this end knowing what needs to be done but that I cannot JUST pay him back like it might be as easy. I don't have disposable income, to the point where I can just send Mike $770. I make no assumptions about HIS financial position, and maybe he's just as tapped, but my wallet is empty and I'm trying to gather the $770 as fast as I can.

Hope we can jump in soon...the level of bullcrap is getting higher than my hip boots. :rolleyes:

Why in the world would you think that was me? I always knew and accepted that you two were brothers, well before the trip to America. I would have no way of knowing your IP addresses unless both of you sent me emails, which you never did, or unless I was a moderator, which I was not.

All that pent up aggression is for someone else...I never doubted you and your brother were two people.

Spider Lites.

I read the whole thing now and while I understand what you're going through, unfortunately it is clear that you owe the money back. I'm not sure what your credit situation is, but perhaps you could get a credit card or small personal loan to return the funds? The whole thing sucks, I'll say that much. Somebody has to be responsible though and after reading over the facts I'd say that person is you. I'd definitely look into the loan option though just to get this resolved.

Alright, go ahead. Thanks for giving me time. I think you guys could go back and forth forever, but what is clear is that the money is owed back.

Oh I am very aware that I am responsible...never claimed the blame should fall on anyone but myself. I knew from when Mike confirmed the heads never arrived that I was going to be financially responsible. I have stayed in contact with Mike so he knows I taking responsibility.

Financially, lets just say that getting a loan is probably not going to happen. I'm doing what I can, as fast as I can, to put all this together for Mike.

Thank you sir :bigthumbsup:

Let's do a little checking of the story:

"As soon as I damaged the set....

Problem #1 So we know that DB knows the responsibility rests on his shoulders. Why not call Mike IMMEDIATELY and offer a refund? That would be a quick/easy way to solve the problem. Mike might be a little pissed at not getting the heads, but at least people would be able to say DB is a stand-up guy...although maybe a bit clumsy. And Mike wouldn't still be out the $770. I already know what DB is going to say, though..."I wanted to please Mike and get him the heads he wanted". Well Mike sure ain't pleased and he's still out $770 AND has no heads.


...I was going to send Mike I got on the phone with that machine shop, and the owner who I have used before and considered a friend, and I told him I needed a set of the same heads, sent to a different address, and I was sending him money. His Paypal account was closed so I procured a money order from the Post Office and mailed it to the machine shop. He received the payment, and started on the heads."

Problem #2. When the machine shop cashed the money order, they immediately became responsible for supplying the heads. If DB still has the receipt for the money order, he can take the machine shop to small claims court and get a resolution rather quickly.

"The first big delay came from the machine shop not having enough valves to complete the set and they had to wait for more. I also had them machine the temp sender hole a bit bigger on one side so Mike could use his stock temp sender."

Problem #3. Is the machine shop in some kind of charity business? ANY additional machining is going to be added on to the bill. Is DB going to pay out of his pocket or is Mike going to get an additional charge or what????


"...I had originally told him I would machine a stock one down for him but decided to have the machine shop do it on their end while they were waiting for the valves.'

So the machine shop IS running a charity business. They do machining for free. Were they bored that day or were they afraid they were making too much money?

"Soon after, I couldn't get emails to or from them, and I only got the owner on the phone a few times."

Now I am wondering if you refused to pay for the machining for that temp sender and they are pissed at you?

"He did tell me the heads shipped and I had to get a hold of him later to ask for the tracking..."

And here we have a confirmation that the machine shop is aware of tracking numbers.


"when he told me there was no tracking and that his dock worker shipped them with nothing added to the basic shipping costs, which was about $40."

Problem 4. This is a biggie. Why was there no tracking numbers??? If the heads were shipped UPS or FedEX or even USPS, tracking numbers were automatic and free. Due to the weight and value and the way this item had to be shipped, USPS would have provided free tracking numbers. The value of the item and shipping costs doesn't affect getting tracking numbers anyway. If you need to buy a tracking number it is a flat fee of somewhere around $1.75.

"He told me he had no way to track or confirm. This also means that we don't know if they were lost, stolen, shipped to the wrong address, or just not shipped at all."

Problem 5 is DB BELIEVING this hogwash.

"Contact with the machine shop at this point is not possible, and completely my problem...just like the rest of it. I fully understand that Mike needs to be paid back but I can only go as fast as I can raise the money."


Why is contact no longer possible? And there have already been suggestions of selling your Vette to raise the money. Or at the very least, getting a title loan. So you can pay Mike and pay off the Vette title when you eventually get the money. It ain't brain surgery. Your excuse about having to buy the heater is ridiculous.

"To make this clear, despite all the accusations, I never intended to steal or scam Mike. I know he doesn't believe that and I would feel just like him if I were in his shoes. However I am in MY shoes, and it feels totally different on this end knowing what needs to be done but that I cannot JUST pay him back like it might be as easy. I don't have disposable income, to the point where I can just send Mike $770. I make no assumptions about HIS financial position, and maybe he's just as tapped, but my wallet is empty and I'm trying to gather the $770 as fast as I can."

Did Mike offer to pay you the $770 on a montly basis? Noooooo. So why should he be punished because you are clumsy and had a run of bad luck?
Get the frigging title loan, pay off Mike, and be done with the whole situation, and we can end this thread.

I DID contact Mike when I damaged the set and told him what happened. We almost canceled it all right there. But, I knew I could still get him the heads from the same guy for the same price and Mike would still get his good deal. He did approve the idea to have me send the money to the machine shop and have a new set sent to him directly.


Very true, and I will hold them responsible as soon as I can, but that isn't Mike's problem, it's mine. I tossed the money order receipt when they received the money order, as I wasn't expecting any problems and the money order was received just fine.



No, he did it because I was going to send him the money that Mike paid me to machine down a sender. He was going to have me send the money when his Paypal account was back up. This decision happened during the time that the valves were the delay, and he did the work because we were waiting. Remember, this is someone I was friendly with and he was trying to keep me happy.



You read wrong, he didn't tell me to get a hold of him later for the tracking, I said that I had to contact him again to ask for tracking...which is when I found out there wasn't any.



Look, I have shipped things USPS before where there was no tracking offered and none bought so I know it's possible to have an untracked and uninsured package out there. I know that they don't even ask you sometimes so I can see how someone else could misunderstand when you're used to automatic tracking through UPS.

Here's an angle that no one seems to consider. Mind you I am NOT, repeat, NOT, accusing Mike of doing anything of the sort, but no one has even asked or considered that maybe Mike DID receive the heads and they are hidden in his basement.

Without tracking or insurance, no one would be able to say if he did or not, and it's certainly possible if he knows he can cause a huge stink and he gets his money back.

I was assured they were sent...maybe they were, and maybe they were received.

Besides, the only problem is me trying to come up with the cash to pay back Mike. None of you guys are involved or have a say when Mike and I have communicated this. Is he happy? Nope. Would I be if I were in his shoes? Nope. Is there anything I can do about it now except pay him back? Nope. Am I doing that? Yep.

Yep, and I have admitted that repeatedly.

Watch, they're still gonna continue. :bigthumbsup:

Where did you but the money order from? I work for a credit union and we can get copies of money orders going back pretty much forever. Maybe you could go back to where you got it and they could provide you a copy?

I bought it from the Post Office. I asked about it and they told me without the receipt they wouldn't be able to help me.

DB, SeanPlunk is right, and as I've said, you need to pull out a small loan or a cash advance. Easy as pie.

The machine shops needs to cover the loss if they put something in the mail without a tracking number. By the way if they have an account with a shipping company (Fed Ex. UPS...) (and they will, I do) then they should be able to look up their account history and pull out a tracking number. Even the most simple USPS shipping (although it does not come with a tracking number with details about checkpoint times and locations) comes with a a number on the original receipt (there are records I am sure) that can be used to confirm actual delivery.

Either way, the machine shop owes YOU a set of heads or a refund. Get over there ASAP and demand you heads, bring the receipt that they gave you or the work order (this is your proof) and demand a set of heads or PROOF of shipment. If they provide proof of shipment, you'll need to have them file a claim to with the shipping insurance to cover their costs to pay YOU back! Because it's on them in this scenario.

I know that you're a big boy Zuki, but believe it or not RodsKnockin actually needed this explained to him.

The last person to send me an e-mail other than other mods was DB. So no, none of the "bad guys" are persuading me to do anything. They seem to enjoy freedom of speech as well.

As much as I don't like you, and as strongly as I believe that you are impersonating someone/ something that you are clearly not, I will not ban you simply because I don't like you. You have a right to stay as long as you don't break any rules...

Agreed, however, they are not local...based out of TN, and none of the info I have on them comes up with anything. I might have to resort to my own legal actions to get anything from them, though I know that would cost me more than I will lose by paying Mike back.

Essentially when I say they are unreachable it means that I cannot reach or find them. Yes, I am trying, and I am looking into them as much as I can...but as I said that isn't the business of Mike or anyone here...it's all on me.

Is this for real?
 

Obviously I'm "new" to your community. I am not much for forums, never have been. As an IT man by day I spend my share of time behind the bright light but never really found it worthwhile to spend time "posting" on, or for that matter wasting so much time assessing other peoples lives. In the real world those people are usually women who watch Soaps, gossip, and live off their husbands income.

I've read all 33 pages of crap here and am amazed, is this what people are spending their time on?

Now, for the biggie that should spark another 30 pages of wasted time and cloaked bitching from guys who wrench on their pet projects and have spent so much time reading GM tech data they believe to be "master mechanics". My name is Matt, and I am a personal friend of DB/Matt...I have been for many many years. Before you fall off your chair I stumbled on this thread during a conversation with DB, he simply recommended it as a good read.

I was there the day this man signed up for CF, he was in MY shop on one of the terminals we used to diagnose or obtain tech data for repairs. DB is not some half ass sitting behind a computer...this man has put in hundreds upon hundreds of hours turning wrenches. He was my partner for 4 years at a classic car restoration shop where we put together everything from a 77 Charger to an 87 Toyota Pickup...an interesting restore based on the truck shown in the movie "back to the future". The truck belonged to a young man who died, his brother wanted the truck as his brother did...DB being the asshole that he is spent hundreds of hours, 18 hour shifts, etc working on this vehicle so it would be done in time for a very special memorial service. What did he get paid? NOTHING.

Christmas last year we got a plea from a father wanting to give his daughter a vehicle on Christmas, a 99 Tahoe that had belonged to her deceased mother....a bent piston rod and severe bearing damage. This was a paying customer that found us about 7 days before Christmas...one that we provided a beautiful christmas to due to working non-stop for 3 days without a break. DB was there for all of it, sliced up, knuckle busted and still kicking for the sake of a young girl with a dead mother...we made a measly $750 on the job including the cost of parts/machine work.

I've seen the man build 2 trucks from spare parts that performed beautifully, I've witnessed and worked with him on hundreds of brake jobs, clutch replacements, tranny rebuilds, complete wiring (try doing a full rewire on a 65 Dodge A100 sometime)....you name it, DB and I did it together.

He's one of the most stand up guys I've ever known, guaranteed to be loyal 100% of the time....I can't count the number of times I depended on him when nobody else was willing to help.

With that said get off the dual alternators and dual washer systems, I've seen both with my own eyes and they're great. Who cares really? The dual alternator hurts nothing and the dual washer system is just neat....it's for FUN, it's unique. Lighten up...really. It may not be necessary but DB isn't building track cars.

The crap with the heads...for starters it's between 2 men, not a bunch of people who have nothing better to do on a forum. The heads to be sent were put in care of a machine shop who may or may not have fulfilled it's obligation. We've both used the shop in the past with mixed results, typically they turn out truly quality product and it's worth the wait.

Bottom line is you all know NOTHING about DB, the man gives away more auto parts than you probably have in your shop, if he had the money or credit to refund he would've done it. Apparently none of you have ever experienced hard times, I know most of the country is doing just peachy right now.

Be glad you have your jobs, quit wasting so much of your life trying to discredit someone else you don't even know (how many hours could you have spent volunteering to actually help someone instead?), and embrace all opinions on automotive maintenance, customization, and troubleshooting. None of us are right 100% of the time, most of the time we ALL have to try things 2, 3, or a 100 times before we get it right...particularly on a classic car. I don't recall any of the threads being referred to as "100% guaranteed accurate answers". We work on old cars, try new things, cuss, and aspire to build things other people cannot...leave it at that.

I welcome any questions on DB, and before any of you geek out I live in Arma, KS, Comcast provides my internet connection...feel free to check me out...you will not find me or pages of posts you can criticize.