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joedls 01-12-2009 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13359)
Born in 1951:leaving:


I was born in 1961. You're 10 yrs older than I am. You don't look too bad for a card carrying member of AARP.

joedls 01-12-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13319)
Roger. I'll put the carb acquisition into a holding pattern until you give clearance. Can you post pics of the parts that are needed? I think you said shaft housing and end plate. I'll do some rooting around and see what I can find.

I think I'm going to Pomona to the Swapmeet on Sunday. I'll be looking for these parts, among other things. I'll probably take my wife's VW bus and try to sell it there. Anyone wanna go?

Vettezuki 01-12-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13379)
I think I'm going to Pomona to the Swapmeet on Sunday. I'll be looking for these parts, among other things. I'll probably take my wife's VW bus and try to sell it there. Anyone wanna go?

Is that like one of those in the morning things? Put me in for tentative but I'm REALLY not a morning person. . .

joedls 01-12-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13387)
Is that like one of those in the morning things? Put me in for tentative but I'm REALLY not a morning person. . .


The best deals are always first thing in the morning. I'll be there with the VW first thing, but I'll be there till early afternoon unless someone buys the bus.

Vettezuki 01-12-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13390)
The best deals are always first thing in the morning. I'll be there with the VW first thing, but I'll be there till early afternoon unless someone buys the bus.

Define "first thing in the morning". BTW, is that the one where they have the Vette corral. :huh:

joedls 01-12-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13391)
Define "first thing in the morning". BTW, is that the one where they have the Vette corral. :huh:


Yup. First thing means I'm usually there by 6.

Vettezuki 01-13-2009 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13392)
Yup. First thing means I'm usually there by 6.

Mmm, bed time. . . I give it 50/50. Can you get new bits there as well? Depending on how some other things shake out, maybe I'll get some ignition stuff, starter, rear sump pan, pickup, etc. While Ron has the car for caging I'd like to kick the ball as far down field as possible for engine stuff.

big2bird 01-13-2009 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13393)
Mmm, bed time. . . I give it 50/50. Can you get new bits there as well? Depending on how some other things shake out, maybe I'll get some ignition stuff, starter, rear sump pan, pickup, etc. While Ron has the car for caging I'd like to kick the ball as far down field as possible for engine stuff.

All the GOOD stuff is long gone at Pomona, or it's stupid money.
You can buy a brand new MSD streetfire HEI for $150 at Summit.
Starter, you get one cheap at the Zone, and forfeit the $10 core charge
Pan? The cheap Chinese chrome ones leak like sieves.
Get a used Milodon or Canton or Moroso or Hamburger on the bay, or you MIGHT find one at Pomona
. You can always add trap doors and a deep sump to a stocker for little $$$. Melling oil pumps and HV pickups are $40 all day at Top's.

BRUTAL64 01-13-2009 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13387)
Is that like one of those in the morning things? Put me in for tentative but I'm REALLY not a morning person. . .

Yea, 5:30 AM is what time I used to get there.:barf:

Vettezuki 01-13-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by big2bird (Post 13399)
All the GOOD stuff is long gone at Pomona, or it's stupid money.
You can buy a brand new MSD streetfire HEI for $150 at Summit.
Starter, you get one cheap at the Zone, and forfeit the $10 core charge
Pan? The cheap Chinese chrome ones leak like sieves.
Get a used Milodon or Canton or Moroso or Hamburger on the bay, or you MIGHT find one at Pomona
. You can always add trap doors and a deep sump to a stocker for little $$$. Melling oil pumps and HV pickups are $40 all day at Top's.

Thanks for the heads up bird. What's Top's though?

94cobra69ss396 01-13-2009 10:22 AM

Didn't I read on that V8 RX7 site that we needed a dual sump pan from a fox body like I have on the Cobra? If so, I might be able to get a stock one for free.

Vettezuki 01-13-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13410)
Didn't I read on that V8 RX7 site that we needed a dual sump pan from a fox body like I have on the Cobra? If so, I might be able to get a stock one for free.

Ah, yes you did.

http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showth...Sump#post12160

Can you take a peak at the K member and see if it can be swung 180? We have an FC, not an FB and that may not be possible.

94cobra69ss396 01-13-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13411)
Ah, yes you did.

http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showth...Sump#post12160

Can you take a peak at the K member and see if it can be swung 180? We have an FC, not an FB and that may not be possible.

That was info for a Gen 1 though and we have a Gen 2. I'll research it some more and see if I can find out.

BRUTAL64 01-13-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13408)
Thanks for the heads up bird. What's Top's though?

Tops Auto Supply--brookhust and lincoln, Anaheim. Been using them for many many many years.:bigthumbsup:

94cobra69ss396 01-13-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13412)
That was info for a Gen 1 though and we have a Gen 2. I'll research it some more and see if I can find out.

Granny's Speed Shop sells the crossmember to fit the 5.0 in the car but it's almost $400 and it does use the Fox body style oil pan. I think we'll just need to get a Fox body pan and then we can make our own cross member. Here's what their cross member and transmision support for a T5 look like.


Vettezuki 01-13-2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13414)
Granny's Speed Shop sells the crossmember to fit the 5.0 in the car but it's almost $400 and it does use the Fox body style oil pan. I think we'll just need to get a Fox body pan and then we can make our own cross member. Here's what their cross member and transmision support for a T5 look like.


Would the T5 Trans Crossmember likely work for our Toploader?

94cobra69ss396 01-13-2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13417)
Would the T5 Trans Crossmember likely work for our Toploader?

I don't think so but I'm not sure. I'm assuming that the mount would go closer to the engine than it does with the T5 but that's just a guess. I know that when I put the T56 in the Cobra the trans cross member had to be moved back. We can make one though so I wouldn't worry about it. My buddy Joe that helped with the main hoop is excited about the project and wants to be involved. He has everything we need to make the cross members and wants to help.

Vettezuki 01-13-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13418)
I don't think so but I'm not sure. I'm assuming that the mount would go closer to the engine than it does with the T5 but that's just a guess. I know that when I put the T56 in the Cobra the trans cross member had to be moved back. We can make one though so I wouldn't worry about it. My buddy Joe that helped with the main hoop is excited about the project and wants to be involved. He has everything we need to make the cross members and wants to help.

Done. You guys can make the cross members. :bigthumbsup: Get him on board here and if he's a driver and wants to run it down the track, he's certainly contributing plenty. :bigthumbsup: While we're at it, I imagine fabbing up some delrin motor mounts could be done as well. :huh:

Vettezuki 01-13-2009 11:11 AM

Flywheel
 
We need a flywheel. I'm assuming just an iron unit would be best, not only for cost, but because they rarely explode like aluminum ones do and we probably could get away without a scatter shield. :sm_up_there: Maybe just a kevlar blanket, though I have no idea how expensive those are. Don't want anybody losing toes.

BRUTAL64 01-13-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13420)
We need a flywheel. I'm assuming just an iron unit would be best, not only for cost, but because they rarely explode like aluminum ones do and we probably could get away without a scatter shield. :sm_up_there: Maybe just a kevlar blanket, though I have no idea how expensive those are. Don't want anybody losing toes.

No scatter shield?? In the early 80's at Shoemaker--a 65 Mustang lined up against a 69 Camaro. The Mustang reved it up, dropped the clutch and BAM-- cut the car nearly in half and broke a girls arm 150 ft away. The flywheel exploded. You WANT a scatter shield.:judge:

Mcleod is the one for new and they are local--ask for George.

94cobra69ss396 01-13-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13419)
Done. You guys can make the cross members. :bigthumbsup: Get him on board here and if he's a driver and wants to run it down the track, he's certainly contributing plenty. :bigthumbsup: While we're at it, I imagine fabbing up some delrin motor mounts could be done as well. :huh:

Yes, we can make the mounts as well. Check with Joe to see if this is a 50oz or 28oz crank.

94cobra69ss396 01-13-2009 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13422)
No scatter shield?? In the early 80's at Shoemaker--a 65 Mustang lined up against a 69 Camaro. The Mustang reved it up, dropped the clutch and BAM-- cut the car nearly in half and broke a girls arm 150 ft away. The flywheel exploded. You WANT a scatter shield.:judge:

Mcleod is the one and they are local--ask for George.

Agreed, as well as an SFI trans blanket.

BRUTAL64 01-13-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13424)
Agreed, as well as an SFI trans blanket.

Blanket--Good call!:drink:

Vettezuki 01-13-2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13424)
Agreed, as well as an SFI trans blanket.

I'm serious about safety, so done. I didn't think we were radical enough for this to be a real risk, but better to error on the side of not spontaneously amputating spectators' limbs. That wouldn't be very good for promotion. :smack: I'll probably make a forum for safety issues, since there's lots of little details.

94cobra69ss396 01-13-2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13425)
Blanket--Good call!:drink:

There only about $80 bucks. I run one on the Chevelle. It's not needed for the times we are running but I feel safer with it.

joedls 01-13-2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13423)
Yes, we can make the mounts as well. Check with Joe to see if this is a 50oz or 28oz crank.

50 oz.

94cobra69ss396 01-13-2009 11:45 AM

Here's the scatter sheild from Summit.

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

BRUTAL64 01-13-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13434)
Here's the scatter sheild from Summit.

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku


One, thing that I didn't like. It said 10.5 clutch is the biggest. That is too small unless were go to dual. I'm running a 12 inch pressure plate and disc built by Mcleod. It uses STOCK pressure and is good to over 500 hp.


We need to to talk to Mcleod.

If we do use a 10.5. Mcleod makes a Borg an Beck 10.5 hat that uses a 10.95 disc. I have one. If we want to use it, you guys can have it. It's been rebuilt and set up by George at Mcleod and not been touched since.:drink:


BTW:
I have a 10.5 chevy disc that is new and is 10 spline just sitting there also.

BRUTAL64 01-13-2009 12:21 PM

I just checked Mcleods web site. Their flywheels only handle the 10.5 hat. But that means the Borg and Beck 10.5 hat for the 10.95 disc will work. So................................................ ..................:drink:

Vettezuki 01-13-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13438)
I just checked Mcleods web site. Their flywheels only handle the 10.5 hat. But that means the Borg and Beck 10.5 hat for the 10.95 disc will work. So................................................ ..................:drink:

So, what are you recommending? BTW, joe gave his clutch that he used with this engine and trans. I don't recall the size off the top of my head. But Ron and I looked at it on Sunday and it seemed in pretty good shape, very little wear. Maybe I'll bring with the heads so you can take a peak.

big2bird 01-13-2009 09:43 PM

Mcleods, Lakewood, anything cheap/used/SFI rated. Get offset dowel pins and dial it in.
Mcleod on the clutch is a good call. Centerforce sucks weenies.
Solid Motor mounts help strengthen the chasis. Rubber on the tranny mount.

enkeivette 01-14-2009 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by big2bird (Post 13493)
Mcleods, Lakewood, anything cheap/used/SFI rated. Get offset dowel pins and dial it in.
Mcleod on the clutch is a good call. Centerforce sucks weenies.
Solid Motor mounts help strengthen the chasis. Rubber on the tranny mount.

I might have my energy poly trans mount... I'll look for it.

Vettezuki 01-14-2009 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 13524)
I might have my energy poly trans mount... I'll look for it.

Word. FYI, 94cobra69ss396 will be fabbing up a crossmember, trans and motor mounts. Maybe your poly mount can be adapted??? :huh:

big2bird 01-14-2009 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 13524)
I might have my energy poly trans mount... I'll look for it.

Those are NFG. They break tailshafts. Solid motor mounts, rubber in rear. The torque needs some give there.:bang:

enkeivette 01-14-2009 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13526)
Word. FYI, 94cobra69ss396 will be fabbing up a crossmember, trans and motor mounts. Maybe your poly mount can be adapted??? :huh:

It's a universal mount for Ford and GM transmissions, so it would work. But if Bird says it's NFG, it shall remain in my parts pile. I ditched it simply because it added too much height, and my yoke would tap the tunnel during hard braking.

94cobra69ss396 01-14-2009 06:33 PM

Since we'll be making solid mount mounts we are going to want use a rubber transmission mount. The drivetrain has to have some give somewhere or it'll break the trans.

Vettezuki 01-14-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13590)
Since we'll be making solid mount mounts we are going to want use a rubber transmission mount. The drivetrain has to have some give somewhere or it'll break the trans.

Instead of solid motor mounts and rubber trans, I was thinking Delrin all the way through, motor, trans, pinion. Please advise. Derin is very strong and rigid, but has just enough compliance to keep metal fatigue and stress failures from emerging. Gods willing this car will make hundreds and hundreds of passes. I'd like it to be durable as can be (after we blow up the rear end maybe. :judge:). My understanding is that most serious modern draggers have gone away from solid mounts.

big2bird 01-14-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13590)
Since we'll be making solid mount mounts we are going to want use a rubber transmission mount. The drivetrain has to have some give somewhere or it'll break the trans.

Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner.:sm_laughing:

big2bird 01-14-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13592)
Instead of solid motor mounts and rubber trans, I was thinking Delrin all the way through, motor, trans, pinion. Please advise. Derin is very strong and rigid, but has just enough compliance to keep metal fatigue and stress failures from emerging. Gods willing this car will make hundreds and hundreds of passes. I'd like it to be durable as can be (after we blow up the rear end maybe. :judge:). My understanding is that most serious modern draggers have gone away from solid mounts.

Just stick to solids with a rubber tranny mount. Your going to break alot of stuff, but not those.:smack:

94cobra69ss396 01-14-2009 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by big2bird (Post 13598)
Just stick to solids with a rubber tranny mount. Your going to break alot of stuff, but not those.:smack:

I agree. I've been running solid Moroso motor mounts with the stock trans mount for the last 14 years on the Chevelle and I just finally had to replace the trans mount.


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