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enkeivette 06-09-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 116453)
Can't argue cause I agree. They're fucked in the head.

You bastard, happy b day btw. You had a b day recently ya?

enkeivette 06-09-2013 10:46 PM

Retracted. Talking with my lesbian friend about it, she had a very interesting perspective. More later... Also, vanilla coke plus bacardi, winning.

Shaolin Crane 06-09-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116454)
You bastard, happy b day btw. You had a b day recently ya?

Yup. Day before Chuck's

Vettezuki 06-09-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116452)
Yes yes, Adams queer, haha. But seriously, am I crazy? Or is there really no single thing that makes us feel like we're a certain gender? Philosophy bomb dropped, someone argue with me :)

If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.

fiveohwblow 06-09-2013 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116464)
If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.



Would you solely define internal struggle and conflict as misery?

enkeivette 06-10-2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116464)
If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.

That sounds really good, Im going to read it again when Im sober.

Vettezuki 06-10-2013 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fiveohwblow (Post 116465)
Would you solely define internal struggle and conflict as misery?


No, misery and conflict are not necessarily equivalent terms. Suffering would be closer. It's an interesting question, but one of semantics really.

If the rates of depression and suicide, especially among LGBT teens is any indication, misery is probably the right word in their case.

Vettezuki 06-10-2013 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116466)
That sounds really good, Im going to read it again when Im sober.

a.k.a Tuesday?

enkeivette 06-10-2013 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116468)
a.k.a Tuesday?

Taco Tuesday? Youre fuckin high!!! - Will Ferrel

enkeivette 06-10-2013 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116464)
If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.

Ok here we go. No. Im saying there is no such separate thing as sex identity, there is only sexual orientation (which is not sex identity), cultural customs, and self-image. Phones dying, post more in a sec!

enkeivette 06-10-2013 01:13 AM

Cont. So basically, the reason we identify with a certain sex is visual, sexual, and cultural. So we should exclude sexuality, since not all gays are transgender.

So we're left with cultural and visual. Visual, well no, transgender people arent born looking like the opposite sex, so that cant be the cause of their feelings. So cultural? Thats whats left. Can a desire to wear dresses and drink pina coladas really be strong enough to make a guy want to cut his dick off and grow boobs? No.

Its a combination of factors that makes us feel masculine or feminine. But most of those factors arent strong enough to cause a need for a total flip flop. Look at Richard Simmons versus Clint Eastwood. Simmons is about as feminine on the male scale as it gets, but he doesnt want to be a girl. So feminine cultural preferences and sexuality arent enough to cause the want to be different. Simmons mainly feels like a man because he LOOKS like a man.

So since transgender people dont identify with what they see in the mirror, what is the cause of their feeling this way? Its beyond visual, beyond cultural, beyond sexual, whats left?! IMHO - Psychological trauma.

Vettezuki 06-10-2013 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116473)
Ok here we go. No. Im saying there is no such separate thing as sex identity, there is only sexual orientation (which is not sex identity), cultural customs, and self-image. Phones dying, post more in a sec!

There is your sex (male vs. female).
There is sexual orientation (which sex(es) you like to have sex with)
There is gender, which is a psychological/cultural phenomena, but related to sex.

There is no "sex identity" since you're either male or female (leaving out hermaphrodites, etc.)

There IS gender identity, which crosses between what you are and what you think you are. That's the issue. When they don't match, you have a problem.

The harder question is why do people think they're something they're not (in a physiological sense)? Well that probably has both physiological foundations itself (brain function) and metaphysical/cognitive issues interacting.

My simple answer is that so long as people are not harming others, which I define pretty narrowly, I would not act against them, but accept them as they present themselves. This is key. My only "warning" is to explore that it's not a cover for something else. You can't step back from sexual alteration, especially male -> female, and it would be tradgedy if it was really something else that was eating at you. For this reason, I think it's generally good/safe advice to avoid sex chang operations until full adulthood, which is mid twenties or later.

These are my opinions and arguments, based on my imperfect information.

Shaolin Crane 06-10-2013 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116464)
If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.

I don't think anyone has accused me of being sensitive with my choice of words.

enkeivette 06-10-2013 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116477)

The harder question is why do people think they're something they're not (in a physiological sense)? Well that probably has both physiological foundations itself (brain function) and metaphysical/cognitive issues interacting.

I agree with your break down of it. This paragraph above is what Im trying to get at mainly. What are those physiological causes? And if gender identity is a thing, what cant I pinpoint it myself? Can you?

Two interesting things I learned tonight that made me question my position:

First, my lesbian friend indicated in this conversation that her gf kinda sorta wishes she was a guy. A lesbian that Ive been hanging out with for years (Im friends with her too) is... I guess verging on transgender. This makes me wonder how many gays out there feel this way, and maybe cultural choices and sexual preferences have more to do with gender identity than I realize.

Second, she pointed out that without having felt "it" myself, its difficult for me to single out what a gender identity feeling is in the first place. It may be sub conscious and taken for granted.

Shaolin Crane 06-10-2013 01:58 AM

One more week of school. Then I get to work on the cars, feels like forever since I've done so.

Vettezuki 06-10-2013 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116480)
I agree with your break down of it. This paragraph above is what Im trying to get at mainly. What are those physiological causes? And if gender identity is a thing, what cant I pinpoint it myself? Can you?

Two interesting things I learned tonight that made me question my position:

First, my lesbian friend indicated in this conversation that her gf kinda sorta wishes she was a guy. A lesbian that Ive been hanging out with for years (Im friends with her too) is... I guess verging on transgender. This makes me wonder how many gays out there feel this way, and maybe cultural choices and sexual preferences have more to do with gender identity than I realize.

Second, she pointed out that without having felt "it" myself, its difficult for me to single out what a gender identity feeling is in the first place. It may be sub conscious and taken for granted.

This shit is WAY the fuck complicated. This and other issues is why I think it's a good idea to default to "do as though wilt, harm no one." I just don't know. So what's best? People living happy fulfilling lives, free from self-induced suffering seems like an inherent good.

fiveohwblow 06-10-2013 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 116481)
One more week of school. Then I get to work on the cars, feels like forever since I've done so.

Finally.

BRUTAL64 06-10-2013 07:59 AM

:popcorn:

Shaolin Crane 06-11-2013 11:54 AM

So yeah, it's happening

blackax 06-11-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 116577)
So yeah, it's happening

What is she going in?

Also 6L?

Shaolin Crane 06-11-2013 12:03 PM

5.3 Got a smokin deal on it.

blackax 06-11-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 116579)
5.3 Got a smokin deal on it.

You can still make a shit ton of power. Im excited to see what our gonna do with it.

LSfox?

Shaolin Crane 06-11-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackax (Post 116580)
You can still make a shit ton of power. Im excited to see what our gonna do with it.

LSfox?

The 383 Ls1/ls6 stroker kits go perfectly in that block and iron is good for holding power. Might just be time for turbo 383 bastard vehicle.

94cobra69ss396 06-11-2013 12:13 PM

He's going to build a turbo 383 LS Honda Pilot.

blackax 06-11-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 116582)
He's going to build a turbo 383 LS Honda Pilot.


I would ride in that.

Shaolin Crane 06-11-2013 12:29 PM

Turbo 383 Miata :drool:

94cobra69ss396 06-11-2013 02:50 PM

I would drive a FC/FD Rx7 or a 240SX with an LS in it.

Vettezuki 06-11-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 116592)
I would drive a FC/FD Rx7 or a 240SX with an LS in it.

An FD LSx is full of win.

Vettezuki 06-11-2013 05:20 PM

I get the feeling this monk might be kind of a bad ass.


enkeivette 06-11-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 116577)
So yeah, it's happening

That looks like an LQ engine. You building your psuedo LS Fox?

enkeivette 06-11-2013 11:35 PM

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That reminds me...

So yeah, it's happening.

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enkeivette 06-12-2013 01:07 AM

Guy, I think you should drop into a GT, Rons generation. I feel like that would piss people off more than putting it in a Fox, plus those cars are sexy bitches.

Shaolin Crane 06-12-2013 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116608)
Guy, I think you should drop into a GT, Rons generation. I feel like that would piss people off more than putting it in a Fox, plus those cars are sexy bitches.

Surprisingly there are more LS son cars than foxes. And I sold it to my buddy who's putting it in his gs300.

enkeivette 06-12-2013 09:49 AM

Hey Ben, does a .45 bullet flare out to be the exact same diameter as the shell it came out of? If so, what is the absolute longest .45 bullet I could get?

BRUTAL64 06-12-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116626)
Hey Ben, does a .45 bullet flare out to be the exact same diameter as the shell it came out of? If so, what is the absolute longest .45 bullet I could get?

So...is it 45 ACP or 45-70....:judge:

enkeivette 06-12-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 116628)
So...is it 45 ACP or 45-70....:judge:

? ...45 caliber bullet. I want to know if the bullet is a smaller diameter than the shell, and the longest 45 bullet I can get, shell not included.

enkeivette 06-12-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 116582)
He's going to build a turbo 383 LS Honda Pilot.

LS Pontiac Aztek FTW

Shaolin Crane 06-12-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116637)
? ...45 caliber bullet. I want to know if the bullet is a smaller diameter than the shell, and the longest 45 bullet I can get, shell not included.


You're not making sense

enkeivette 06-12-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 116643)
You're not making sense

Makes perfect sense, you're not understanding.

Bullet OD = Shell OD?
Longest 45 bullet (only, w/o shell)?

enkeivette 06-12-2013 04:37 PM

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This is a 38, the head is a smaller diameter than the shell, so that it can fit into the shell. Some bullets flare out, like a dick head, and become about the same diameter as their shell.

If I were asking about a 38, the answer to my question would be no. I figured Ben would know since he handles bullets a lot.

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