Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13171)

Q: What kind of cam does this engine have in it, I forgot?

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13171)

Heads Purchased.

One thing, didn't include rockers like I thought, but still seems like a good, or at least fair deal over all.

Q: What kind of cam does this engine have in it, I forgot?

Q: Can/should we reuse the rockers from the stock heads? If so what was the stud size? OR, should I just bite the bullet and get a set of aluminum roller rockers for $159?

We saved quite a bit of money on the original car and will save some more because Ron will be building the cage, so I thought it made sense to use the savings and splurge a bit on the heads within reason. Now I'm somewhat back in el cheapo mode. :smack:

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13179)

I've got clearance from Joe to sell the stock heads. I was thinking leave them intact and sell them, then use that money to put towards new Aluminum roller rockers for the new heads. Anybody have any idea what stock 302 heads should go for?

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13180)

I don't think you need to purchase new rocker arms. Have you looked at what's on those heads yet? I think you'll be pleased when you pop open a valve cover.

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13181)

That'd be even more better I guess. If you're coming to tomorrow night's meet, maybe you and Glenn can come over to my house (literally 2 minutes away) and take a look and give your ruling. Also, you can see the project car's current status.

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13182)

Still not sure if I'll make it tomorrow night, but if I do, i'd love to swing by. Those heads have Crane Cams Energizer 1.6 roller rockers

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13183)

Oh, that ain't stock. Do you remember how big the studs were. The head guy needs to know when assembling the new heads.

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13184)

No, Ben, they're not stock. What am I gonna do with you? How many times do I have to give you this info?

http://motorgen.com/forum/showpost.p...4&postcount=98

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13127)

He suggested a Demon Holly 750.

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13188)

Just to clarify, I don't know what a Demon Holley 750 is, but I did recommend a Mighty Demon 750 blower carb. This carb allows you to boost-reference the power valve.

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13189)

That's good to know. :sm_up_there: Between my day gig, other MG stuff, and trying to light a fire on this project my brain is a little scrambled, especially cuz I'm not so familiar with some of the parts.

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13190)

Hey, it's all good. I'm just kind of a smart-ass. It's all in fun, though.

Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13187)

I'll be there Sunday if you want me to take a look. We can also pull a head and see what style of valve relief the pistons have. If they have the four half moon style the biggest valve we can run is a 1.94 which is what my AFR 165s have. If they have two larger reliefs then we can run 2.02 which is what the AFR 185 comes with.

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13195)

Is this the kind of little Gucci bastard you're talking about?


There also seems to be Mighty Demon and Mighty Demon Barry Grant Blower Carbs (as above). Are there good sources to maybe get these refurbished or some a bit less?

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13196)

Hahaha. Yeah, they are kinda pricey bastards.

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13246)

So, did you guys pull a head and see what kind of pistons you're dealing with? See what you could scavenge to use on the new heads?

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13285)

BTW, unless I'm a total crack head (possible) and incapable of using a tape measure, the engine will have to swtich from a front to rear sump setup. What parts can be kept (pan?) and what needs to change (pickup?)?

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13175)

Glenn, did you say you had a carb that could be used, or know where we could get one that would be appropriate on the cheap? I'm assuming we could get a used one, and somebody here could rebuild it and set it up for our purpose.

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13294)

What I said was, I'm sure we could find a Holley somwhere we could use to get things going.:) I do have a 500 CFM Carter laying around. That's half of what we need.:judge:

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13313)

I'll keep my eyes open on Craigslist/eBay for a 750 Holley with 4 corner idle set. My understanding is that since the carb goes on top of the blower, it's a "pull through" not a "blow throw" setup and there's effectively no advantage to a "blower carb". Am I thinking correctly?

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13318)

Not exactly. The power valve will not operate correctly without referencing manifold vacuum/boost, causing the engine to run rich during normal operation. Both Holley and Demon has a carb for roots style blowers.

But let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. I need to make sure I can get this blower functional before we go purchasing a carb for it.

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13319)

Roger. I'll put the carb acquisition into a holding pattern until you give clearance. Can you post pics of the parts that are needed? I think you said shaft housing and end plate. I'll do some rooting around and see what I can find.

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13318)

Not exactly. The power valve will not operate correctly without referencing manifold vacuum/boost, causing the engine to run rich during normal operation. Both Holley and Demon has a carb for roots style blowers.

But let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. I need to make sure I can get this blower functional before we go purchasing a carb for it.

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13333)

Years ago, we were able to get Holleys to work with Roots Blower. This was long before there were "blower" carbs. It is still pull thru as with a NA motor. But I've heard that Blower Carbs are easier to tune for roots. Haven't used one.

The last Roots steet car I built 1990 had a BM and I used a 750 Double pumper and it ran great, no over richness when I tuned the carb. :drink:

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13343)

BTW, Glen, you're an old man!!! :rolling::rolling::rolling:

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13348)

You say that here, but can you say that to me in person????:rolling::rolling::rolling:


Actually points are a VERY reliable way to go.:judge:

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13348)

You say that here, but can you say that to me in person????:rolling::rolling::rolling:


Actually points are a VERY reliable way to go.:judge:

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13353)

Sure. Remind me to tell you next time I see you. Wait, you won't have to remind me. I'll just look at you and remember that you're old. :rolling:

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13356)

I should have plenty of time to think of a good come back by that time.:sm_laughing:


I actually used dual points untill 2004. :motorsmile:

Originally Posted by joedls (Post 13358)

Yeah, the mind isn't as sharp as you get older. How old are you, BTW? I bet I'm not much younger?

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13359)

Born in 1951:leaving:

Originally Posted by 94cobra69ss396 (Post 13361)

Look on the brite side Glenn. Your a year yonger than my dad. :sm_laughing:

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13359)

Born in 1951:leaving:

Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 (Post 13359)

Born in 1951:leaving:

Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 13319)

Roger. I'll put the carb acquisition into a holding pattern until you give clearance. Can you post pics of the parts that are needed? I think you said shaft housing and end plate. I'll do some rooting around and see what I can find.