Fair enough. Ron, Adam, have at it. :)

I said factory lift option, much more than 6" of travel, and I also said platform to platform. You can buy a factory lifted F150 with a warranty that will out jump a Raptor. Adam is right.

Also, according to this source, sales are just peachy.

You didn't read my post carefully enough. I said that Wranglers are better for 4 wheeling (rock crawling) but Raptors are better for jumping (and woops)!

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/n...ass/index.html
Doesnt take the cake for anything?
3rd in the pro offroad truck class, off the lot save for required class modifications like lights, window nets, spare tire etc, no touches to the suspension or drivetrain, pretty fuckin impressive to me

Yeah, that's impressive. Ok, I've changed my mind, let's pile on eneki! :lmfao:

25k for a brand new not loaded silverado or f150 25k in suspension and supercharger = better truck any day. Okay off the lot 50k it is a great truck and Tanner drove the shit out of it and it was pretty bad ass also that was the Hennessey version (Velociraptor). I will give it credit for off road off the lot but dollar for dollar it is not the best option.

There is no such thing as a factory lift kit. Sure, there are dealer installed lift kits but those consist of drop brackets for the front and lift blocks for the rear. Go ahead and buy a new Silverado here's one http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false. Oh wait, that's $51,514 and you haven't even had the dealer add the lift kit. Well, then you'll need new rims and tires to go with it because those stock ones will just look silly. Now you've spent $60,000 just to have a lifted truck with the same 6 inches of travel. Why do you think I did a solid axle swap on the Explorer. I didn't just want the truck higher, I wanted more suspension travel.

Who says 4 wheeling has to be in the rocks. I'd say 75% of the wheeling I do isn't rock crawling. Go back and watch the video of the Motorgen offroad run and let me know how much time we spent rock crawling. Maybe I just don't really go 4 wheeling. A Raptor would be a great truck for that 75% of the time.

I am thinking something like this with the difference in upgrades.

Now go ahead and find a suspension system for it that you think can compete with the Raptor's in the desert. Then go ahead and try to get the power the Raptor has out of that 6 cylinder.