So a dude who builds a 69 Boss. Makes 800hp and NEVER races the car, just does cruise ins and car shows isn't a participant in autosports lifestyle?

Fuck no.

Concur.

He's a participant in the car hobby. Not auto-sports.

So then Adam is not part of autosports then?

No. And while I've made dozens of passes at the strip, I haven't done it in years now. I'd consider myself pure "car hobby" or "automotive enthusiast"; nothing at all like Carlos. In fact I'd say he's the only one here that I can think of who is truly into autos ports as a participant per se, at least of the top of my head. Ron is somewhat having joined the whatever race series that is for drag, and participating. Jerry is getting into it with his Vette. I'm not arguing values here, just definitions.

I'll have to disagree then, if you race your car, in any way, sanctioned or not, it's auto sports. Plenty of people play basketball at the gym without being part of a team or league and its still considered playing.

Agree. Perfect analogy.

You didn't say anything about Adam or any other guy "street racing" just implying possession of X.

Street racing meets the definition of applying a skill in competition as previously mentioned. It meets the basic definition at least. Some might argue more narrowly on whether it's sanctioned and more thoroughly organized, but it at least meets the basic requirements.

Does a person who merely owns a basketball and hoop play basketball? No. Does a person who owns a basketball and hoop and shoots hoops by themselves play basketball? No. Does a person who does canyon carving participate in motor sports? No. In none of these cases is there any sport . . . if the word sport is to have an sensible consistent meaning anyway.

If a word becomes so broad in application it no longer delineates categories it becomes a useless word.

But if you want to say street racing is a motor-sport of sorts I wouldn't argue.

I disagree Ben. If I go to Adams Motorsport Park and run the Cobra and compete against myself to improve on my personal time is that not competing in motorsports? It may not be at a professional level but that's like saying anyone who doesn't play basketball in the NBA is not playing basketball.

I didn't say anything about professional. I even said street racing and drift are reasonably within motorsports.

At Adams you're being timed against yourself and others on a track. Fine to call that motorsports obviously. It's called Adams Motorsports Park for a sensible reason.

Where I disagree is mere possession of a "bad ass" car or whatever does not equal participation in motorsports.

I think that what we do is part of "Auto Sports" Yes it might not be 100% to the letter of the definition of what a sport may be. But people spend so much time and effort in what we do, We fix are cars, Make them go faster, Make them look better. This is the same as going down to the local gym and playing basketball.

It's the same as going down to the local gym and playing basketball if you go down to Adams or Fontana and run your car. Effort and cost are irrelevant to the definition.

How is it any different then someone spending time on making there car look/drive/handle better?

Playing basketball is a sport with quantitative points of assessment. You analogy would be better if you said its like going to the gym and doing curls to make you arms look bigger. However, doing curls would actually make your arms stronger. Hellaflush is like injecting your arms with botox. They will look bigger, but they will be weak as Shit and there is a huge amount of risk for no gain. The car looks cool and I hope he makes tons of money with his automotive skills and lives the dream. It genius! You can get paid for coilovers chamber kits time and tires, then boom you can hit the same guy for a set of tires every two months. Ballet.

Car shows do have "quantitative points of assessment" and not just the "Hellaflush" ones but the really really nice ones.

It is instantly hard to put a car back to stock 50 year on. It can take many years to make a car factory fresh. Same can be said for lowing a car, or changing the camber and what not.
Just because they don't race the car's doesn't mean they aren't part autosports.

Not putting time and money into that kind of stuff isn't my thing. But I do respect it as part of what we do.

Words mean things.

Sport

Noun
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

I think some are getting a little butthurt over the idea of refusing to call X a motorsport. It's completely value neutral, I don't give a good goddamn if someone only restores Model Ts or only races Miatas, both or neither. I just don't call restoring Model Ts autosport any more than I call racing a Miata restoration.

Don't confuse values and definitions!

To each their own, we are all car guys. BUT please dont call cars like hella flush and lowriders, autosports or motorsports. Thats only for cars built, made or moddified to improve the performance of the vehicle or to improve a performance characteristic. Maybe its going in a straight line, corners or rally off road. All these other "fashions" are the opposite, they are detrimental to peformance and even unsafe. I think thats why some gear heads like us cant except them. Why spend money to make your car slower or handle worse? Thats how we think, we dont care if it has show if it has no go.

As for the basketball analogy, I played and play a lot of ball. HS college and some semi pro stuff. You can have all the gear and look like a ball palyer but it doesnt make you one. I always see guys with $150 shoes and matching outfits that can make a layup without hurting themselves. Your skills define you as a player.Same with a car, it can look the part but does it deliver...all within their means of course.

You're implying that Chris only makes his car to look good. That he never drives it, what he does is autosports, period. He'll dyno his car eventually, which will compete directly against other cars in his class. He'll race it, i'm sure of because I won't allow him to not do so.


Sport doesn't have to be competing, any exertion that requires improvement IMO.

Yup. The car hobby and autosports are two different things. The car hobby cover a very vast area and you can say that autosports is under it but there are many car hobbies that have nothing to do with performance, like hella flush in this case. So its not a autosport.

And it takes skill to modify a car, And people can compete at car shows for awards. So in my mind it is an autosport.

Car shows are beauty pageants for cars.

Beauty pageants are competitions thus making them a sport.

Wtf dude

:iagree:

I figured as soon as Guy suggested beauty pageants were a sport because they involved competition that he was just trollin. So I brought Boxxy out from the way back machine.

Maybe, maybe no. You're the one who brought out the definition of sport. Beauty pageant would fit that bill.

holy shit.... All i have to say is damn... iDied! haha

those that do not like my type of styling on my cars, it's not a big deal. everyone has different taste. if we all built cars the same way, it would be pretty boring.

I personally have done work on some other stylings as well. for example a 715hp Mercedes C63 AMG widebody which was recently featured on PAS magazine. Or a 800HP Toyota Supra which won Castrol's top challenge.

like they say, "to each their own"

but for those who tells me that putting small tires and wide wheels and being "hellaflush" is only for looks; i've helped build a 1993 Lexus GS300 with a 2JZ-GTE, single turbo, Turbonetics GTK-650, all custom work done on 21x10 (F) 21x13 (R) on -13 degrees camber with over 600 to the wheels And we take it out to Irwindale speedway, Willow Springs, etc.

also built a 2000 Lexus GS300 with a 2JZ-GTE VVT-i also with a single turbo and amenities on 21x11 (f) 21x14 (r) doing roughly 750hp that we've tracked and enjoyed.

different strokes for different folks. just because my car is 1" off the ground doesnt mean i'm driving 5mph. you guys can ask Shaolin Crane, i've sparked my car on the freeway doing 100mph plus.

i buy cars to drive and not baby.

here some youtube for you folks.

http://youtu.be/tBlFpm8S9QM


http://youtu.be/icpjNk3xFYk

http://youtu.be/v_TgVrZBzl0

Yeah, sure. But other than that what have you done? :p

:thumbs_up:

here's the mercedes

I really have not said much on this thread but the definition of "sport" has gone way out of bounds in my opinion. I remember watching SportsCenter a while back and they were calling people who play video games athletes. This seams to be going down that same road. There is a difference between "sport" and competition. I think that in a sport you have to have some "athletic" ability (doing something physically extrenuos IMO, not sitting in a chair). If you do not you can call it a competition and that is fine. Beauty pageants are not a sport, they are a competition. Come on people if we were all special like seems to be the norm than nobody is special. Some are better than others, that is the way it is.

PS- this post was fueled by Capt. Morgan.

So you can't sit in a chair and be a part of sports?

Whoa whoa whoa Guy. Don't you dare insult every arm chair quarterback that decides a set of sweaty dudes in colorful tights is "their team!" You're gonna get about 90% of dudes angry. Of course they are involved, otherwise they wouldn't call the team theirs.

My comment was directed at the special olympics, lots of competitors sitting in chairs there :inout:

LMAO. special Olympics....

Holy fuck I totally forgot about this hot mess. No, car shows do not have any quantitative points of assessment. Unless you're going to refer to a low rider car hopping cholo party. Car shows are all qualitative.

Stretched tires make you slower. Racer boy slams make you slower. You can put all the power mods and aero you want the fact is that the suspension and tires (arguably the most important parts) are based on fashion. It's the automotive equivalent of doing squats high heels.