I'll take one of these also! King of the Hammers rig. Bad Ass desert runner and also geared down 4x4 for slow rock crawling.

I want one of those too along with my truggy.

King of the Hammers is an awesome race. I like it because you really have to have a well balanced rig to run that thing. I would like one too please!

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you need some steel balls for that ish! looks fun!!!

Ok, excuse me, generation, not model. Is Sean's a different generation of Mustang than yours because it has different suspension? I mean, if all it takes is a suspension change to change the model generation, then Sean's is also a different generation of Mustang right? :)

And are the 4x4 rangers with torsion bars instead of coil springs a different generation too?

Nope I would not argue that Sean's is a different generation. True he has an independent rear but nobody would look at his car and my car and think they are different body styles/generations if they knew anything about mustangs. Just the same way that anyone who knew anything about rangers would not think that the 99 edge is a different generation than a 99 2WD ranger. 4x4 is kind of like the argument about the differences in Cobra to Mach 1 to GT. Most people know that a 4x4 suspension is different in some way than a 2WD. Since you are not going to let this go I will just say this. The 93-97 may not be a different generation than a 98 to current but there I will not stop arguing that the 98 to current are in a different classification in my eyes then a 93-97.

Take these examples. If said said I wanted a 2nd gen ranger then I would ask i-beam or a-arm because that is a BIG difference. Much the same way if someone said I want a Cobra I would ask if you wanted a Terminator (03-04) or another year Cobra for example, because there is a big difference. There would need to be clarification of the vague statements.

I just don't like the fact that I've driven a long travel I beam Ranger and an A -arm Ranger, I've worked on both of them doing several serious projects on my friends A -Arm Ranger, and I could see a 98 driving down the freeway and say to my friend "Hey, check out that 2nd gen" and he could reply, "No moron, that's a 3rd gen, don't you know anything about Rangers?"

If you can't tell the difference by looking at the body from most angles, it's stupid to grant the model a different generation just because of a suspension change. Because as you stated, different sub-models within a model have different suspension setups. No one refers to a Sean's Mustang as a different generation than your Mach beause of the IRS. And no one, refers to a torsion bar Ranger as a different generation than an coil A -arm Ranger, so why refer to an A -arm Ranger as a different model than an I -beam Ranger?

In closing, when my buddy and I go to the junk yard looking for a tailgate for his 2003 ('3rd gen') Ranger, we'll be looking for a 2nd gen truck (93-03). :p ;)

Adam, I dropped arguing whether it is a 2nd or 3rd gen a while ago. I classify the year set differently. There is a different classification between I-Beam and A-Arm in my eyes. That is it. That is all I am saying anymore.
If your buddy is looking for a replacement A-Arm go ahead and look for anything from the 2nd gen to replace that. That would include anything 93-2009 right and it would bolt right up according to your logic.

No, that's not my logic, it's yours. I don't consider a suspension change a generation change. If I needed to replace the rear end/ suspension in my 3rd gen Vette, I couldn't use parts from Ben's 3rd gen Vette, but... it's still a 3rd gen Vette.

And no you can't use 97 and earlier front suspension parts on an A-arm ranger '3rd gen' Ranger, but then again you can't use parts from a 4wd OR 2wd torsion bar '3rd gen' Ranger either. So that's a moot point.

I got a crazy idea. What does FORD consider to be a 2nd vs. 3rd gen Ranger?

The Japanese breakdown by generation and series. For example, our project car is FC S4 (86-88). S5 was 89-91. THEN a generation change to FD S6 and so on.

Basically when the whole damn thing changes (or very close to it), that's a generation change. Corvette C3 - C4 - C5 is crystal clear. But when when items, including suspension and even engine configurations change, that's not enough in and of itself to be a generation change . . . unless the manufacturer says it does. Just my $.02.

I'm sure ford would side with Leedom, but I could care less, which is why I made fun of the Evo a few pages back for being on the 10th generation with 2 major body style changes, more like 1 1/2 actually.

I'm bored now. Over this.

If Ford wants to call it a new generation well that's fine by me. The rest is confusion resulting from the desire to be overly precise in terminology. The only thing that matters is that when someone says, hey Ford Ranger 2nd Gen, we know what the they're referring to.

EXACTLY