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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 40145)

Leedom and SoCal55, you guys are both stupid.

I don't care if a 97 is considered a different model, and I don't care if an Edge is a different model. They only changed the front grill and sidemarkers! I won't grant them a 3rd gen until they actually change the body style!

They put a different bumper on the Edge and a cowl in the hood and I'm supposed to consider it a different model? No.

I just called a 99 Viper a 1st gen in the other thread, are you going to cry about that too because they added a hatchback window since the original?

Going by this logic Corvettes would be on the 12th generation.

I agree to some extent, but a 99 Viper is indeed a 2nd gen.

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Originally Posted by SeanPlunk (Post 40146)

I agree to some extent, but a 99 Viper is indeed a 2nd gen.

Cry?

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 40147)

Cry?

No, just stating facts. The 2nd gen Viper was more than just the introduction of the GTS ;)

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Originally Posted by SeanPlunk (Post 40146)

I agree to some extent, but a 99 Viper is indeed a 2nd gen.

So then Sean, you would have to agree.

6th gen Corvette (1975)

7th gen Corvette (1978)

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 40150)

So then Sean, you would have to agree.

6th gen Corvette (1975)

7th gen Corvette (1978)

Although in automotive terms a "generation" is fairly subjective, I believe that the differences in appearance, drivetrain, and overall packaging are enough to distinguish the 96-02 Viper as a 2nd Gen. One could make the same argument for the Vette, but I honestly don't know enough about the differences in the models you show to give any kind of opinion.

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Originally Posted by SeanPlunk (Post 40151)

69 Corvette, chrome bumpers. 435hp 427ci, 4 speed manual. Factory sidepipes. 3rd generation.

82 Corvette, removable urethane bumpers, very different styles. Makes the car about a foot longer. 205hp 350ci EFI best available, 4 speed automatic overdrive only. No side pipes available. Different front clip, different rear clip, different hood, different doors with aluminum crash hardware. Glass rear window, no convertibles available. Different seats and interior completely. Iron diff changed to aluminum diff and crossmember. And I don't think 82s came with rallye wheels. 3rd generation.

Also the frame was stronger in 78 on, and the fiberglass tunnel was replaced with a steel tunnel.

Different body, different frame, different drivetrain. But since the body had the same lines around the fenders, GM considered it the same generation.

Don't even get me started on the 20th generation Evo. :leaving:

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 40154)

. . different frame. . .

Uh, what? AFAIK, the frame is essentially the same 63-82.

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 40157)

Uh, what? AFAIK, the frame is essentially the same 63-82.

Essentially. But there's a reason the 74 and earlier vettes had problems with the frame cracking with high enough hp. Do a search on CF. 78 and 79 were actually the strongest C3s available and the heaviest. Strongest frame, strongest diff.

You could drop any C3 body on any C3 frame, without the frame extensions and crash harware of the later C3s, but yes, frames were different. I'm sure Glenn or Bird could explain this better than I can.