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enkeivette 06-09-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane (Post 116453)
Can't argue cause I agree. They're fucked in the head.

You bastard, happy b day btw. You had a b day recently ya?

enkeivette 06-09-2013 10:46 PM

Retracted. Talking with my lesbian friend about it, she had a very interesting perspective. More later... Also, vanilla coke plus bacardi, winning.

Shaolin Crane 06-09-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116454)
You bastard, happy b day btw. You had a b day recently ya?

Yup. Day before Chuck's

Vettezuki 06-09-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116452)
Yes yes, Adams queer, haha. But seriously, am I crazy? Or is there really no single thing that makes us feel like we're a certain gender? Philosophy bomb dropped, someone argue with me :)

If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.

fiveohwblow 06-09-2013 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116464)
If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.



Would you solely define internal struggle and conflict as misery?

enkeivette 06-10-2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116464)
If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.

That sounds really good, Im going to read it again when Im sober.

Vettezuki 06-10-2013 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fiveohwblow (Post 116465)
Would you solely define internal struggle and conflict as misery?


No, misery and conflict are not necessarily equivalent terms. Suffering would be closer. It's an interesting question, but one of semantics really.

If the rates of depression and suicide, especially among LGBT teens is any indication, misery is probably the right word in their case.

Vettezuki 06-10-2013 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by enkeivette (Post 116466)
That sounds really good, Im going to read it again when Im sober.

a.k.a Tuesday?

enkeivette 06-10-2013 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116468)
a.k.a Tuesday?

Taco Tuesday? Youre fuckin high!!! - Will Ferrel

enkeivette 06-10-2013 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vettezuki (Post 116464)
If you want to say a transgender person's naturally occurring neurobiology affects their self-image and is incongruous with their sex identity (morphology: male vs. female) and describe that as "fucked in the head", then there's not so much to argue about other than your not so sensitive choice of words. Bottom line, they can lead perfectly happy and fulfilling lives by aligning their gender self-identity and sexual morphology. Changing morphology is trivial compared to changing the underlying neuro-biology (which is not all that well understood, and may simply be impossible). But by refusing to align them they create a situation of misery for themselves.

Ok here we go. No. Im saying there is no such separate thing as sex identity, there is only sexual orientation (which is not sex identity), cultural customs, and self-image. Phones dying, post more in a sec!


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