AMS Evo X 450whp GT35R Pup gas

[MassAppeal]

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-dyno-tuning-results/386788-ams-evo-x-makes-450whp-pump-gas-using-our-prototype-35r-kit.html

In the link. AMS makes 450whp on pump gas with there proto-type 35Rkit.
Im just gonna put random progress of the evo X's for you guys that our interested. Since its a all new platform/engine and everyone is learning as time goes.
In the beginning everyone had doubts of the aluminum block compared to the 4G63. But its proving to hold its own quite well with no motors blown and trannys holding to high power (besides clutch)
So far so good but now to see if it can hold for high milage which only time will tell:drink:

[Vettezuki]

I'm generally a fan of a firecracker high compression naturally aspirated motor (or roots/twin screw SC) for the throttle response. But jeeze, that much power out of a wee little thing is impressive no matter what.

"I am continually impressed with the results that we are getting out of a completely stock long block with completely stock cams. The spool up is also what I would expect and totally acceptable for a turbo that is this size. Surprisingly, it spools up about as quickly as a couple of the 30R's that we have been messing around with lately."

Exactly how does a 30R spool?

[SeanPlunk]

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-dyno-tuning-results/386788-ams-evo-x-makes-450whp-pump-gas-using-our-prototype-35r-kit.html

In the link. AMS makes 450whp on pump gas with there proto-type 35Rkit.
Im just gonna put random progress of the evo X's for you guys that our interested. Since its a all new platform/engine and everyone is learning as time goes.
In the beginning everyone had doubts of the aluminum block compared to the 4G63. But its proving to hold its own quite well with no motors blown and trannys holding to high power (besides clutch)
So far so good but now to see if it can hold for high milage which only time will tell:drink:

Holy crap that's impressive. Running 24PSI on pump gas is crazy. Do you know if they did this with 91 octane or not? I bet they're using 93 octane or something. I wish we had that out here :o

[Vettezuki]

Holy crap that's impressive. Running 24PSI on pump gas is crazy. Do you know if they did this with 91 octane or not? I bet they're using 93 octane or something. I wish we had that out here :o

Yeah, I wondered about that. What's the stock static compression on an EvoX? I was always under the impression that 15psi intercooled on 8.5:1 static compression and 91 octane seems to be about as much as you can get before naughty things start to happen. Of course there are some variables like DI and whatnot that might change that some, but up to 24psi. Seems like high octane territory no matter what. :huh:

[MassAppeal]

They used 93 Oct! 24 psi is nothing. I run that now! :sm_laughing: stock psi on the new evos is 23-24psi!
the older evos I believe ran 19-20psi stock

[Vettezuki]

They used 93 Oct! 24 psi is nothing. I run that now! :sm_laughing: stock psi on the new evos is 23-24psi!
the older evos I believe ran 19-20psi stock

What is the static compression on IX and X?

[MassAppeal]

What is the static compression on IX and X?
not 100% sure let me find out or cornfed might know!

[st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet*]

evo9 = 8:1 compression (stock boost 18-19psi, but ive found in alot of cases now evo's are only hitting 16psi i think they got detuned in some cases off the boat)

evo 10 = 9:1 compression and they are around 22-24psi stock

also the spool of a 30r chould hit full boost at 42-4300rpm

but on my turbo which is a 30r wheel shoved in a stock evo turbo housing will hit full spool at 3800rpm

[Vettezuki]

evo9 = 8:1 compression (stock boost 18-19psi, but ive found in alot of cases now evo's are only hitting 16psi i think they got detuned in some cases off the boat)

evo 10 = 9:1 compression and they are around 22-24psi stock

also the spool of a 30r chould hit full boost at 42-4300rpm

but on my turbo which is a 30r wheel shoved in a stock evo turbo housing will hit full spool at 3800rpm


Is the EvoX Direct Injection?

How the F do you get 22-24psi on a 9:1 motor with 91 or even 93 octane, even if you're intercooling like crazy? The timing must be down to nothing . . .

[MassAppeal]

Is the EvoX Direct Injection?

How the F do you get 22-24psi on a 9:1 motor with 91 or even 93 octane, even if you're intercooling like crazy? The timing must be down to nothing . . .
Not sure on the whole technical aspects...
but it seems to be working just fine!:laugh:

[Vettezuki]

Not sure on the whole technical aspects...
but it seems to be working just fine!:laugh:

That's my point, there must be a technical reason as I'm pretty sure Mitsubishi isn't using magic in their engines. If so, they need to charge a lot more. :smack:

[st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet*]

Is the EvoX Direct Injection?

How the F do you get 22-24psi on a 9:1 motor with 91 or even 93 octane, even if you're intercooling like crazy? The timing must be down to nothing . . .

lol actually if you wanna know something interesting mitsubishi actually put more timing into to the evo10 then the older evo's

here is the evo 9 timing map

*the dots on this map are around what the evo 9 hits with around 20-22psi so plot those dots on the evo10 timing map and look up how much timing advance mitsu put on the evo10 out of the box its insane!* also remember that the evo10 comes with 22psi so the dots should plot to what the evo10 actually does boost wise.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/cky_bam_marg/timing.gif

and here is an evo 10 timiing map

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/cky_bam_marg/Evo10_ignitionTiming.gif

also the numbers are a direct relation to timing advance so when it says 9 at 7000prm that means 9 degrees of timing atvance at 7000rpm.

[BRUTAL64]

:popcorn:

[st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet*]

:popcorn:

lol u would think that wouldnt u but suprisingly they havent.....yet lol

i remember the timing on the old evo's was picky if you advanced it more then a few points on 91oct. or else it would knock like bill collector at your door.

but at some point in the evo 10 timing map some degrees are advanced by 50-100% over its evo 9 counterpart this is crazy???

the only differenct in the engine is the aluminum block, a higher comp ration, more boost, .......this is seeming to be a bit of a quagmire on paper but its working in reality.....

did u guys all catch that.....that was me actually being impressed with the evo 10 lol.....damn the world is coming to an end :-(

[Vettezuki]

lol u would think that wouldnt u but suprisingly they havent.....yet lol

i remember the timing on the old evo's was picky if you advanced it more then a few points on 91oct. or else it would knock like bill collector at your door.

but at some point in the evo 10 timing map some degrees are advanced by 50-100% over its evo 9 counterpart this is crazy???

the only differenct in the engine is the aluminum block, a higher comp ration, more boost, .......this is seeming to be a bit of a quagmire on paper but its working in reality.....

did u guys all catch that.....that was me actually being impressed with the evo 10 lol.....damn the world is coming to an end :-(

Well the bulk modulus of aluminum is radically different than iron, so combustion temperatures could be lower I suppose. The intercooler could be more effecient. It could be direct injection (is it) and maybe they're using some other nifty Porsche like boost tricks with the shape of the intake. :huh: I'm just guessing. But superficially, it's stunning to get over 20psi boost on an 9.5:1 engine on 91 octane, just stunning.

[st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet*]

Well the bulk modulus of aluminum is radically different than iron, so combustion temperatures could be lower I suppose. The intercooler could be more effecient. It could be direct injection (is it) and maybe they're using some other nifty Porsche like boost tricks with the shape of the intake. :huh: I'm just guessing. But superficially, it's stunning to get over 20psi boost on an 9.5:1 engine on 91 octane, just stunning.

ya it is.....also i know the stock evo10 injector looks funky but the aftermarket ones look more normal closer to how the evo 9 ones look so i dont think its anything to fancy like DI being as how the injectors are still in the intake mani.

and ya your correct about the aluminum block having better cooling properties and what not.....but to give you a comparison of how extreme the evo 10 timing looks to me.....

that stock evo 10 timing is just about even almost everywhere for the timing i run on e85 and i run A LOT of timing on my tune to where other e85 people are saying its alot! and no evo 4 - evo 9 person would ever dare put a drop of anything under 100oct with that kind of timing.....im still very baffled by this.

im gonna have to look into this im kind of excited lol