When do you consider a car to be fast?

[SeanPlunk]

I remember when I got my LS1 Camaro back in 2000 that a 13second car was considered pretty quick. At that point a 12 second car was very fast, an 11 second car was fairly rare, and a 10 second car was usually not very street friendly. Now you can buy a ZR1 Vette and run 10's from the factory, and a handful of other cars also can run in the lower 11's stock. Even more normal sedans like the IS350, 335i, G37, G8 and the Taurus SHO run 13's stock, and easily into the 12's with minimal mods. So, given that, what do you consider to be "fast?"

I still consider a car running in the 13's to be fast for the record.

[94cobra69ss396]

I guess it depends on what the car is and how it's used. I don't consider the Cobra fast but it still runs high 11s. If it pulled low 11s I would consider it fast. I feel that for a DD Cobra, Camaro, Vette, GTO, etc. low 11s are fast. If you're talking about something like a Civic, RSX, etc. I would consider something like a low 13 fast. I also don't think the Chevelle is fast for the way it's built. I would consider it to be fast if it was running low 10s on the engine and mid 9s on N2O.

[Damian]

I guess it depends on what the car is and how it's used. I don't consider the Cobra fast but it still runs high 11s. If it pulled low 11s I would consider it fast. I feel that for a DD Cobra, Camaro, Vette, GTO, etc. low 11s are fast. If you're talking about something like a Civic, RSX, etc. I would consider something like a low 13 fast. I also don't think the Chevelle is fast for the way it's built. I would consider it to be fast if it was running low 10s on the engine and mid 9s on N2O.

I agree with you. It depends on the car. My Eclipse runs mid 15s stock, I got it down to low 14s and Im still able to pass smog. So to me, its fast, well for what it is.

[Vettezuki]

. . . I still consider a car running in the 13's to be fast for the record.


Is that why you still run 13s in your pullied Cobra? :nutkick:


Sorry couldn't resist.

[Leedom]

I pretty much agree with Ron, but for the fake of overall comparison I think if you are in the 12's you are fast in the general seanse of what a "fast" car is. The subject of this tread is not fast for what it is though.

Is that why you still run 13s in your pullied Cobra? :nutkick:

Sean can make any car slow!

[heypal]

low 11s

[BADDASSC6]

It depends on the level of tune. We all have a good idea of what a car should be capable of based on it's set-up. If a car surprises me then I consider it fast, but if someone rolls up in a solid axle 100mm turbo stang on slicks and runs a 11 sec et then I consider it slow.

I will say that 13.0 or more is slow no matter what the car has.:smack:

[94cobra69ss396]

but if someone rolls up in a solid axle 100mm turbo stang on slicks and runs a 11 sec et then I consider it slow.

Sorry Sean it looks like you can forget about installing the solid axle and 100mm turbo. Carlos will still consider you slow. :smack:

[BRUTAL64]

Here's my take on this.

Anything 13 second or better is fast.:drink:


To some people 100 mph is way too fast. It is all subjective.:drink:

[SeanPlunk]

Is that why you still run 13s in your pullied Cobra? :nutkick:


Sorry couldn't resist.

I've run in the 12's :jester:

[SeanPlunk]

Here's my take on this.

Anything 13 second or better is fast.:drink:


To some people 100 mph is way too fast. It is all subjective.:drink:

That's the way I feel too. My grandfather's 335i is "only" a mid to low 13 second car, but it still feels fast to me.

[BRUTAL64]

I've run in the 12's :jester:

Then we can call you "Speedmister Sean".:inout:

[Vettezuki]

I've run in the 12's :jester:

Your foot must have slipped onto the gas. :pot_stir:

[enkeivette]

14.0-14.99

My vette was fast with 185hp, it beat a 95 Mustang GT with 220 hp... also a fast car. SRT4s with average drivers are always mid 14s, those cars are fast too.

15 -16 would be average, while low 15s still is on the faster side. Once you get into the 17s you're slow. I think stock 4cyl Rangers are in the 17s.



...Most of the cars on this forum screw up your perception. Most of our cars are ridiculous. Even a stock Corvette is ridiculous. Up until 2005ish 400hp was an extremely impressive number.

[BADDASSC6]

14.0-14.99

My vette was fast with 185hp, it beat a 95 Mustang GT with 220 hp... also a fast car. SRT4s with average drivers are always mid 14s, those cars are fast too.

15 -16 would be average, while low 15s still is on the faster side. Once you get into the 17s you're slow. I think stock 4cyl Rangers are in the 17s.



...Most of the cars on this forum screw up your perception. Most of our cars are ridiculous. Even a stock Corvette is ridiculous. Up until 2005ish 400hp was an extremely impressive number.

This is only valid if you believe that a 2v mustang is fast. They suck. They are supper boring. You are looking at it from a factory car point of view, but being a Motorsports website I look at it from an enthusiast point of view. Kids think eg civics are fast does that make them fast?

[BRUTAL64]

This is only valid if you believe that a 2v mustang is fast. They suck. They are supper boring. You are looking at it from a factory car point of view, but being a Motorsports website I look at it from an enthusiast point of view. Kids think eg civics are fast does that make them fast?

Fast Civic??? Never seen one.:rolling:

[Vettezuki]

Fast Civic??? Never seen one.:rolling:

Fastest car on Motorgen. (http://www.motorgen.com//vid/showphoto.php/photo/467)

[BRUTAL64]

Fastest car on Motorgen. (http://www.motorgen.com//vid/showphoto.php/photo/467)

How do I know that film was real? It could have been done with CG.:judge::censored:

[enkeivette]

This is only valid if you believe that a 2v mustang is fast. They suck. They are supper boring. You are looking at it from a factory car point of view, but being a Motorsports website I look at it from an enthusiast point of view. Kids think eg civics are fast does that make them fast?

Yeah the si civics are kind of fast. Borderline average fast. But no, thinking something is fast doesn't make it objectively fast, it does make it subjectively fast though... which is the nature of this thread.

I get your point though. From an enthusiast point of view I would say 13-13.99 is fast. Sean's Camaro ran a 13.42? I think, and it was fast. 13 second cars start to hold you back in the seat and they feel fast to me.

[enkeivette]

Fastest car on Motorgen. (http://www.motorgen.com//vid/showphoto.php/photo/467)

I thought we were talking about cars, as in street cars, not race cars. If we're talking about race cars running race fuel, that Civic is not fast. This is a fast race car:

YouTube - Martin Stamatis 4.577 329.10 mph (529.63 kmh) drag race

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But if we're talking about high octane gasoline race cars, I'd say 8.0-8.99 is fast.

YouTube - 8 second GN

[Vettezuki]

I thought we were talking about cars, as in street cars, not race cars. If we're talking about race cars running race fuel, that Civic is not fast. . .

I was just responding to Brutal's quip. That Civic is still a civic based engine and chassis, not purpose built from scratch for one thing only. We've gone over this recently. It is a modified track only "race" car based on a VERY average street car. It is the fastest car of whatever type on MG at this time. Ron's Chevelle (10s) is the fastest High Octane "street" car (and the fastest car period for a regular user), and Ron's Cobra (11s) is the fastest genuine street car. That's for 1/4 accel. Carlos's Vette is the fastest course car on MG. Yours is the loudest and possibly the most powerful among regular users. . . dyno queen.

[SeanPlunk]

14.0-14.99

My vette was fast with 185hp, it beat a 95 Mustang GT with 220 hp... also a fast car. SRT4s with average drivers are always mid 14s, those cars are fast too.

15 -16 would be average, while low 15s still is on the faster side. Once you get into the 17s you're slow. I think stock 4cyl Rangers are in the 17s.



...Most of the cars on this forum screw up your perception. Most of our cars are ridiculous. Even a stock Corvette is ridiculous. Up until 2005ish 400hp was an extremely impressive number.

I agree for the most part. I feel like a 13 second street car is still "fast."

[enkeivette]

...the fastest High Octane "street" car...

Oxymoron. :p :leaving:

Super Street, I believe it was, did a test for the ultimate street car a few years back. I have the DVD somewhere. One of the tests was a fuel mileage test, they watched as the owners fill up with 91 and taped their fuel doors shut to prevent cheating.

I think the winner was the Ultima GT, which is a kit car, but still a street car technically. 2nd place was probably one of the several Supra TTs.

One of the monster hp Supras managed to pull off like 41 mpg. Some of those guys got crazy, they would turn their motors off while coasting down hill.

[SoCalC55]

For a Daily Driver, i say low-mid 11s is fast.

As for a track car or something you wouldnt drive every day to work in traffic; under 10 or no go!

I find my car to be quick, but definitely not fast. Seeing how I assume I can hit a high 12 w/ my baby mods

[Vettezuki]

For a Daily Driver, i say low-mid 11s is fast.

As for a track car or something you wouldnt drive every day to work in traffic; under 10 or no go!

I find my car to be quick, but definitely not fast. Seeing how I assume I can hit a high 12 w/ my baby mods


I see you haven't run at California Speedway. . . :crutches:

[SoCalC55]

And never never never will
Unless there is a private track day with decent weather... where the track isnt worth wasting my money and tire life on

[Vettezuki]

And never never never will
Unless there is a private track day with decent weather... where the track isnt worth wasting my money and tire life on

Irwindale is a great 8th mile. You can get 6 runs in easy on a Thursday night for $20. Or do you just want to guess about how fast your car is. :nutkick:

[94cobra69ss396]

Fastest car on Motorgen. (http://www.motorgen.com//vid/showphoto.php/photo/467)

Actually, I think SoCal Racer (Mike I believe) has the fastest car on Motorgen. His Vega runs 10.30's on the engine and if I remember correctly I think he said he ran 9.5 on the bottle but I could be wrong.

Irwindale is a great 8th mile. You can get 6 runs in easy on a Thursday night for $20. Or do you just want to guess about how fast your car is. :nutkick:

He and Adam can just keep talking about what their cars can do and never bring them to the track.

[enkeivette]

He and Adam can just keep talking about what their cars can do and never bring them to the track.

Find a quote with me realistically suggesting an ET for my car. You may be looking for a while...

While I may repeat a claim of a big hp number (which I did not adhere to once you guy's objected) I never make claims about how fast my car would be at the track. I only joke about the contrary.



And really, I don't care. I don't care about how fast my car would ET, or how good my 60 foot would be... I only agreed to run to get a mph to approximate my hp, in lieu of a dyno. If I get my car on the dyno before the track opens, I prob won't even go. I know an awful lot about engines and cars, and I can do an awful lot mechanically and cosmetically. And racing down the track won't do anything to increase my knowledge or ability. I wanted a street car (that runs off of gas available on every street) that looked cool and could destroy other street cars. And that's what I have, success. :judge: I didn't build this car with the track in mind because I don't care enough to go racing at the track on a routine basis, so why would I care what my car would do in a place that it was never intended to go? Just because you guys are into your ET and your 60 foot time, doesn't mean that everyone else cares. You might aswell be spouting your ETs off at a drifter... I don't care.

[enkeivette]

And do you think I would have fitted 19s with 30 series tires on the back if I cared about traction that much? I like the fact that I can start a burnout from a 40mph roll... it's fun!

And I went with the low pros to increase handling. Handling is as important to me as acceleration.

How would your Chevelle do against my Vette going down Carbon Canyon? I care more about that than what it would do on a straight line track.



...And did I mention that I run, and have always run catalytic converters. I don't care about losing the 20hp, it's worth it not to fumigate my gf at every stop light.

[Vettezuki]

. . . I don't care.

You spend a lot of effort explaining how you don't care. That's interesting. . .

Anyway, WE'RE curious about your car ya dope. It's not always about you. . . it's about your car.

[Vettezuki]

Actually, I think SoCal Racer (Mike I believe) has the fastest car on Motorgen. His Vega runs 10.30's on the engine and if I remember correctly I think he said he ran 9.5 on the bottle but I could be wrong. . .

I think your right. Paul Ho's Civic runs mid 9s, that video was from when we was losing power and MPH. Same ET, much higher MPH. To be clear that car is out of control. 50 lbs of boost, 900hp on 1.8L. Paul was talking about going into the world of V6s and V8s. I wonder if he did. With is knowledge of making turbo systems work, he could build some multi-thousand HP beasts.

Mike is the most ridiculously consistent racer I've personally seen. It's 10.30 - 10.40 practically every run. :thumbs_up:

[enkeivette]

You spend a lot of effort explaining how you don't care. That's interesting. . .

Anyway, WE'RE curious about your car ya dope. It's not always about you. . . it's about your car.

I spent a lot of effort explaining because I don't seem to be getting through to anyone. And I'm getting sick of the comments.

Changing my sig wasn't enough apparently.

[joedls]

Nobody kicks the pig that doesn't squeal. :sm_laughing:

[enkeivette]

Nobody kicks the pig that doesn't squeal. :sm_laughing:

I bench 275 for rep currently, and although I don't have any real fighting training... the extra muscle would and has helped me in a fight. So I don't get your sig.

And Sly Stallone is just a fake movie fighter who may never have been in a real fight his whole life... but he's still not the kind of guy I'd stand up to in a bar. :leaving:

[joedls]

I bench 275 for rep currently, and although I don't have any real fighting training... the extra muscle would and has helped me in a fight. So I don't get your sig.

And Sly Stallone is just a fake movie fighter who may never have been in a real fight his whole life... but he's still not the kind of guy I'd stand up to in a bar. :leaving:

Huh??? How did my saying no one kicks the pig that doesn't squeal turn into a conversation about my sig?

And to answer your question, your strength wouldn't mean much against a fighter. I don't fight anymore, but I used to. Alot. And I won many fights against much bigger and stronger opponents.

[enkeivette]

Huh??? How did my saying no one kicks the pig that doesn't squeal turn into a conversation about my sig?

And to answer your question, your strength wouldn't mean much against a fighter. I don't fight anymore, but I used to. Alot. And I won many fights against much bigger and stronger opponents.

It just bothers me because it doesn't make any sense. Your comment made sense, I get it. If I didn't argue so much I wouldn't get hassled as much.

But muscle, like hp, isn't enough on its own, but it does make a difference.

Though my car won't run as fast as Ron's with similar hp, it doesn't mean that my car is now slow. Having a lot of hp will still put me ahead of a lot of other fast cars.

And having a lot of muscle isn't enough to kick Bruce Lee's ass, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have in a fight against Joe Blow.

[joedls]

It just bothers me because it doesn't make any sense. Your comment made sense, I get it. If I didn't argue so much I wouldn't get hassled as much.

But muscle, like hp, isn't enough on its own, but it does make a difference.

Though my car won't run as fast as Ron's with similar hp, it doesn't mean that my car is now slow. Having a lot of hp will still put me ahead of a lot of other fast cars.

And having a lot of muscle isn't enough to kick Bruce Lee's ass, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have in a fight against Joe Blow.

My sig doesn't claim that your strength or your HP hurts. It just points out the fact that strength alone doesn't win fights and HP alone doesn't win races. To me, it makes perfect sense. The racing became very clear to me when I was making ~420 RWHP and couldn't get into the 12s. I figured out what it would take for me to do that. The same way I figured out how to beat the shit out of bigger, stronger bullies when I was a kid. But it didn't happen until I had my ass handed to me a few times.

[BADDASSC6]

It would suck if the light hearted banter that we exchange was taken too seriously.

[enkeivette]

My sig doesn't claim that your strength or your HP hurts. It just points out the fact that strength alone doesn't win fights and HP alone doesn't win races. To me, it makes perfect sense. The racing became very clear to me when I was making ~420 RWHP and couldn't get into the 12s. I figured out what it would take for me to do that. The same way I figured out how to beat the shit out of bigger, stronger bullies when I was a kid. But it didn't happen until I had my ass handed to me a few times.


Ok, I get it.

[enkeivette]

It would suck if the light hearted banter that we exchange was taken too seriously.

:sorry:... :asshole::sm_laughing:

[BADDASSC6]

Dude watch out, I can bench more than you can:pot_stir:

[enkeivette]

Dude watch out, I can bench more than you can:pot_stir:

Good for you! What do you rep 5-6 times? And you're a professional fighter so I have no doubt you could kick my ass. Why don't you teach me some stuff?!

[BADDASSC6]

Good for you! What do you rep 5-6 times? And you're a professional fighter so I have no doubt you could kick my ass. Why don't you teach me some stuff?!

Today I did 275 10 then 8 times then went to 295 for five. Last fall I was doing sets of 5 with 315. I've been taking it easy because of an increased work load. No I'm not a pro fighter, but I started doing BJJ in Iraq and have been taking BJJ and Mui tai classed at he SD undisputed ever since. ~2 years. Not a pro fighter, but most guys are pussies.

By the way I didn't say I could kick your ass. My only point is that we all love to give people shit, but it meant to be light hearted. :drink:

[enkeivette]

Today I did 275 10 then 8 times then went to 295 for five. Last fall I was doing sets of 5 with 315. I've been taking it easy because of an increased work load. No I'm not a pro fighter, but I started doing BJJ in Iraq and have been taking BJJ and Mui tai classed at he SD undisputed ever since. ~2 years. Not a pro fighter, but most guys are pussies.

By the way I didn't say I could kick your ass. My only point is that we all love to give people shit, but it meant to be light hearted. :drink:

And my point, even if you had no fighting training, being able to bench 295 for rep... you would be able to f up your average bully in the bar.

[enkeivette]

And my point, even if you had no fighting training, being able to bench 295 for rep... you would be able to f up your average bully in the bar.

My shoulder's been messed up for a month, I've been taking it easy. Can't wait till I can get back into it hardcore. I want to put on some size again.

[Vettezuki]

Maybe you guys should work out together.

YouTube - The Shake Weight For Men

[Vettezuki]

It would suck if the light hearted banter that we exchange was taken too seriously.

I solve this problem by not taking much of anything seriously, least of all myself. :drink:


EXEMPTION:
Unless it's economics or related politics, then I pretty much go zero to ape shit instantly. Ask Sean. :smack:

[94cobra69ss396]

I bench 275 for rep currently, and although I don't have any real fighting training... the extra muscle would and has helped me in a fight. So I don't get your sig.

And Sly Stallone is just a fake movie fighter who may never have been in a real fight his whole life... but he's still not the kind of guy I'd stand up to in a bar. :leaving:

Adam, I learned that size and strength doesn't really matter all that much in fighting. Back when I was in high school I use to play basketball with an older guy (72 at the time) who was a retired light weight boxer. He was about 5'6" and weighed about 165 at the time. One day there was a guy playing with us that was about 6'3" and 230 that was built. He was pretty much pushing us high schoolers around but he made the mistake of pushing this guy. I've never seen someone throw punches so fast in person. He hit the guy about 5 times in a matter of seconds and the guy went down. When he got up he had a bloody nose and he just walked away.

[enkeivette]

Adam, I learned that size and strength doesn't really matter all that much in fighting. Back when I was in high school I use to play basketball with an older guy (72 at the time) who was a retired light weight boxer. He was about 5'6" and weighed about 165 at the time. One day there was a guy playing with us that was about 6'3" and 230 that was built. He was pretty much pushing us high schoolers around but he made the mistake of pushing this guy. I've never seen someone throw punches so fast in person. He hit the guy about 5 times in a matter of seconds and the guy went down. When he got up he had a bloody nose and he just walked away.

And having a lot of muscle isn't enough to kick Bruce Lee's ass, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have in a fight against Joe Blow.

I think you understand what I say, you just choose to ignore it because you enjoy lecturing.

[enkeivette]

Sorry for being snippy, that was a cool story, I just HATE repeating myself. Probably as a result of chosing a life of arguing... once should be enough.

[BRUTAL64]

I spent a lot of effort explaining because I don't seem to be getting through to anyone. And I'm getting sick of the comments.

Changing my sig wasn't enough apparently.

I'm listening (reading). I understand....yes I do.:nuts:


One time a guy asked me how fast my Vette was.

I told him "fast enough to get a ticket".:rolling::judge::judge::rolling:

[enkeivette]

I'm listening (reading). I understand....yes I do.:nuts:


One time a guy asked me how fast my Vette was.

I told him "fast enough to get a ticket".:rolling::judge::judge::rolling:

I hate it when girls ask and you give them an explanation regarding acceleration or horsepower and they interject asking what speed you've hit, you tell them then they nod and begin to tell you how they did 125 in their Corolla once and how it is pretty fast. It's all about top speed. :rolleyes:

I'm going to start telling people my car is 7 units of fast.

[BRUTAL64]

I hate it when girls ask and you give them an explanation regarding acceleration or horsepower and they interject asking what speed you've hit, you tell them then they nod and begin to tell you how they did 125 in their Corolla once and how it is pretty fast. It's all about top speed. :rolleyes:

I'm going to start telling people my car is 7 units of fast.

What was that line??

"Two AUs past light speed".

Something like that.:boggled:


For those that are not into SF--that was from the FIRST Star Wars movie.:p

[Vettezuki]

I hate it when girls ask and you give them an explanation regarding acceleration or horsepower and they interject asking what speed you've hit, you tell them then they nod and begin to tell you how they did 125 in their Corolla once and how it is pretty fast. It's all about top speed. :rolleyes:

I'm going to start telling people my car is 7 units of fast.

125 is pretty fast especially in a Corolla. As for the explanation, it's not about the explanation, it's about sharing experiences.

[94cobra69ss396]

Sorry for being snippy, that was a cool story, I just HATE repeating myself. Probably as a result of chosing a life of arguing... once should be enough.

Some ones on their period. Get this man some chocolate, hurry! I know you had already said that, I was just sharing a story.

The guy use to come up and play full court basketbal with us after school almost everyday. We all thought he was in his late 50's but he wouldn't tell us his age. One day he brought a couple girls with him that were in their 20's and we thought they were his daughters. Turns out they were his grandaughters and they told us how old he was. This was before the fight. His name was Al and he was a really cool guy.

[SoCalC55]

I have every intention on running my car, but only when the conditions deem it worthwhile.

Especially since Ive already put 15k on the car in 10 months as my DD... id like to keep the extra wear and tear to a minimum =(

[heyitsdatguy]

I'd like to run mid or even high 13's, then I'll be happy. Considering that my car stock(with the stock engine) runs high 14's low 15's.