Coilovers

[BlacknBoostn]

Got my coilovers on Friday and after 7 hours of labor my car is lowered and stiff on the ride :) A writeup will be coming for it. I gave it about a 1.5 inch to 2inch drop, it will need to be lowered just a tad more front and back to be acceptable. pictures will be coming!

BEFORE:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/afterthewashpix048-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/afterthewashpix053-1.jpg

AFTER:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar004-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar007-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar006-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar003-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar017-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar010-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar015-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar013-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar012-1.jpg

The back will probably be coming down another 1.5 and the front probably about .5 inches to even everything out but keep the raked stance.

[SeanPlunk]

Got my coilovers on Friday and after 7 hours of labor my car is lowered and stiff on the ride :) A writeup will be coming for it. I gave it about a 1.5 inch to 2inch drop, it will need to be lowered just a tad more front and back to be acceptable. pictures will be coming!

Congrats Tyler - now where are my pics :sm_laughing:

[enkeivette]

How's the understeer? Any better? Worse?

[BlacknBoostn]

Congrats Tyler - now where are my pics :sm_laughing:

Pictures will be coming on tuesday when I have enough daylight to take them!!! I only have limited pictures for the walkthrough so I'll write it up the best I can from memory. I'm pretty familiar so it should be no big deal...

Enkeivette, the understeer is fantastic, virtually none currently. it's gripping the road and holding. the only thing thats holding it back is my tires, need to upgrade to wider tires all around.

most noticeable difference in improved feel is responsiveness. The car feels incredibly agile now, moreso than before. Sway bars will be added eventually in addition to upper and lower f/r strut bars.

Another HUGE improvement is traction and shifting for launch. GOODBYE wheel hop HELLO tirespin! Spun tires through first and most of second at full throttle with no wheel hop. Shifting is crisper and more responsive. less of a lurch during the shift. Feels fantastic. Even my troublesome 3rd gear feels better now. Only on upshift haha.

[SeanPlunk]

Pictures will be coming on tuesday when I have enough daylight to take them!!! I only have limited pictures for the walkthrough so I'll write it up the best I can from memory. I'm pretty familiar so it should be no big deal...

Enkeivette, the understeer is fantastic, virtually none currently. it's gripping the road and holding. the only thing thats holding it back is my tires, need to upgrade to wider tires all around.

most noticeable difference in improved feel is responsiveness. The car feels incredibly agile now, moreso than before. Sway bars will be added eventually in addition to upper and lower f/r strut bars.

Another HUGE improvement is traction and shifting for launch. GOODBYE wheel hop HELLO tirespin! Spun tires through first and most of second at full throttle with no wheel hop. Shifting is crisper and more responsive. less of a lurch during the shift. Feels fantastic. Even my troublesome 3rd gear feels better now. Only on upshift haha.

That's awesome :bigthumbsup: What size tires do the SRT's come with stock, like 245's or something?

[enkeivette]

That's awesome :bigthumbsup: What size tires do the SRT's come with stock, like 245's or something?

205 50 17. But I think I've seen some at the dealership with 225s.

[SeanPlunk]

205 50 17. But I think I've seen some at the dealership with 225s.

Holy crap those are small. I wonder how big of tires you can fit without rubbing?

[BlacknBoostn]

Holy crap those are small. I wonder how big of tires you can fit without rubbing?

the 225s are techincally too big to be beneficial on the stock 17x6 inch rims.

the ACR model has 225 50 16s though, that's worth it. People fit 245 series tires pretty frequently with coilovers and spacers.

I'm looking at a 235-245/50/16 all around myself.

[enkeivette]

Too big to be useful for handling purposes, but not for traction purposes. And if I had an SRT4 I'd definitely trade some handling for some traction.

And don't you dare put a smaller diameter rim on there. Go bigger if anything, just make sure to go wider too. Who gives a flying f*ck if it rubs?

[BlacknBoostn]

Too big to be useful for handling purposes, but not for traction purposes. And if I had an SRT4 I'd definitely trade some handling for some traction.

And don't you dare put a smaller diameter rim on there. Go bigger if anything, just make sure to go wider too. Who gives a flying f*ck if it rubs?

HAH Bigger is not always better, why do you think it is that the American Club Racing edition has a smaller size rim? They look great too! but wider will be better, got my eyes on hopefully a 16x8 possibly a 17x8

i've always been more focused on handling personally, i can always throw on slicks for drag. it's not like i intend to be racing my car all over the city so handling is more important to me when it's properly balanced

[enkeivette]

HAH Bigger is not always better, why do you think it is that the American Club Racing edition has a smaller size rim? They look great too! but wider will be better, got my eyes on hopefully a 16x8 possibly a 17x8

i've always been more focused on handling personally, i can always throw on slicks for drag. it's not like i intend to be racing my car all over the city so handling is more important to me when it's properly balanced

Not sure what American Club Racing is. But it is poor judgement to assume that just because some manufacturer produces something or some type of racing adapts a rule, that it is absolutely the correct thing to do.

As an example, Nascars have power steering. Does that mean that power steering is always best for racing? Obviously not.

A lower profile tire (street tires) will always provide less roll and better handling. Ideally for a road racer, you'll want the tire width to be less wide than the rim (I think 2" is ideal). But having a wider tire (assuming we're comparing two like tires) will always provide more grip, that's pretty basic. Now if we're talking about drag racing, you'll want a slightly smaller diameter rim for less sidewall stiffness and less consequent tire spin. Or if you're using wrinkle wall slicks you'll want the tire diameter to be much smaller, so that the sides of the tire can actually wrinkle and allow the tire to grip. But street tires aren't made like this.

I see some 17x10s in your future bro. :D

[SeanPlunk]

Pictures will be coming on tuesday when I have enough daylight to take them!!! I only have limited pictures for the walkthrough so I'll write it up the best I can from memory. I'm pretty familiar so it should be no big deal...

Enkeivette, the understeer is fantastic, virtually none currently. it's gripping the road and holding. the only thing thats holding it back is my tires, need to upgrade to wider tires all around.

most noticeable difference in improved feel is responsiveness. The car feels incredibly agile now, moreso than before. Sway bars will be added eventually in addition to upper and lower f/r strut bars.

Another HUGE improvement is traction and shifting for launch. GOODBYE wheel hop HELLO tirespin! Spun tires through first and most of second at full throttle with no wheel hop. Shifting is crisper and more responsive. less of a lurch during the shift. Feels fantastic. Even my troublesome 3rd gear feels better now. Only on upshift haha.


When I get home from the auto show tonight their better be pics in this thread :D

[BlacknBoostn]

Not sure what American Club Racing is. But it is poor judgement to assume that just because some manufacturer produces something or some type of racing adapts a rule, that it is absolutely the correct thing to do.

As an example, Nascars have power steering. Does that mean that power steering is always best for racing? Obviously not.

A lower profile tire (street tires) will always provide less roll and better handling. Ideally for a road racer, you'll want the tire width to be less wide than the rim (I think 2" is ideal). But having a wider tire (assuming we're comparing two like tires) will always provide more grip, that's pretty basic. Now if we're talking about drag racing, you'll want a slightly smaller diameter rim for less sidewall stiffness and less consequent tire spin. Or if you're using wrinkle wall slicks you'll want the tire diameter to be much smaller, so that the sides of the tire can actually wrinkle and allow the tire to grip. But street tires aren't made like this.

I see some 17x10s in your future bro. :D

In a different thread it was proven that the ACR (American Club Racing) Dodge Viper basically rules all. Built for handling, road racing, performance. I was referring to the Dodge Neon SRT4 ACR.

http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=739&page=2

that's the thread to back it up. When a car with the ACR performance package puts out numbers like that against cars with those price tags I'll trust their specifications. Not that they can't be improved upon. IMO the tires should always fit the rims for best all around performance handling. I have no reason to run slicks all day. When going to the drag track putting on wider tires is beneficial, but thats not the basis i'm building my car on. 17x10 may have some trouble fitting correctly without fender modification. I'm trying to keep it simple. I've always been more of an autocrossing road racing fan than drag, hence the smaller diameter rims. I will agree 100% that WIDER is better (as long as it is the correct size tire for the rim), but not the diameter. That is completely subjective to the form of racing one prefers to partake in.

I understand the different benefits that one may see from different size tires and stretching and whatnot, I just don't agree with them. A tire should always fit the rim for the highest level of safety and performance. stretched tires don't do any benefit, if i'm going to run a 17x10 inch rim for road racing, i'm not going to try to fit a smaller width tire than what is recommended. likewise, i will not try to fit a larger width tire than is reasonable. it just doesn't make sense.

Sean, Pix comin up!

[BlacknBoostn]

Sean, Pix Are Up

[BlacknBoostn]

Sean, Pix Are Up


What, I can't type in all caps? :huh:

[enkeivette]

In a different thread it was proven that the ACR (American Club Racing) Dodge Viper basically rules all. Built for handling, road racing, performance. I was referring to the Dodge Neon SRT4 ACR.

http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=739&page=2

that's the thread to back it up. When a car with the ACR performance package puts out numbers like that against cars with those price tags I'll trust their specifications. Not that they can't be improved upon. IMO the tires should always fit the rims for best all around performance handling. I have no reason to run slicks all day. When going to the drag track putting on wider tires is beneficial, but thats not the basis i'm building my car on. 17x10 may have some trouble fitting correctly without fender modification. I'm trying to keep it simple. I've always been more of an autocrossing road racing fan than drag, hence the smaller diameter rims. I will agree 100% that WIDER is better (as long as it is the correct size tire for the rim), but not the diameter. That is completely subjective to the form of racing one prefers to partake in.

I understand the different benefits that one may see from different size tires and stretching and whatnot, I just don't agree with them. A tire should always fit the rim for the highest level of safety and performance. stretched tires don't do any benefit, if i'm going to run a 17x10 inch rim for road racing, i'm not going to try to fit a smaller width tire than what is recommended. likewise, i will not try to fit a larger width tire than is reasonable. it just doesn't make sense.

Sean, Pix comin up!


I was joking about the 17x10s. I do think you should go wider, but not 10" wide for a DD. Saying that any car "rules all" is a definite statement. And once again, saying that just because ACR does something, that it is the thing to do, is a definite statement. And definite statements are almost always wrong. Especially when all you have is one example to back it up. To make it even worse, ACR is limited to producing DOT friendly cars. Who knows what they would have done had they not been restricted by Dodge and DOT. For one, they were probably restricted to rim width, for reasons such as: not putting excess load on the trans, and keeping the tire from rubbing the wheel well, and since they are unwilling to go with a wider (and better) tire (for fear of destroying the drivetrain) they decide to give up some sidewall stiffness for some traction. Dodge/ ACR is not going to produce a car that isn't perfectly idiot proof. Nevertheless, a tire that is a lower profile and wide enough to at least compensate for the increased sidewall stiffness will enable the car to perform better (assuming consistent material quality of course).

Take SVT for example, because they decided to go with a 4" (?) pulley on the Cobra does that mean that a 3.5" pulley wouldn't be better? No, obviously not, look at Sean's car. But they're not going to produce something that is capable of destroying its own reciprocating assembly and drivetrain parts. Ergo, you cannot say: SVT rules all, and whatever SVT does must be the thing to do. These guys are playing it safe, they have to.

Take that ACR SRT4, pull the 16" rims (225 50) off it, install some 18" x 9 1/2" rims with a 275 30 tire, some nice fat fender well rubbing tires that will make dealers cough up more warranty work due to blown up transmissions and I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that lap times would go down.

[BlacknBoostn]

I was joking about the 17x10s. I do think you should go wider, but not 10" wide for a DD. Saying that any car "rules all" is a definite statement. And once again, saying that just because ACR does something, that it is the thing to do, is a definite statement. And definite statements are almost always wrong. Especially when all you have is one example to back it up. To make it even worse, ACR is limited to producing DOT friendly cars. Who knows what they would have done had they not been restricted by Dodge and DOT. For one, they were probably restricted to rim width, for reasons such as: not putting excess load on the trans, and keeping the tire from rubbing the wheel well, and since they are unwilling to go with a wider (and better) tire (for fear of destroying the drivetrain) they decide to give up some sidewall stiffness for some traction. Dodge/ ACR is not going to produce a car that isn't perfectly idiot proof. Nevertheless, a tire that is a lower profile and wide enough to at least compensate for the increased sidewall stiffness will enable the car to perform better (assuming consistent material quality of course).

Take SVT for example, because they decided to go with a 4" (?) pulley on the Cobra does that mean that a 3.5" pulley wouldn't be better? No, obviously not, look at Sean's car. But they're not going to produce something that is capable of destroying its own reciprocating assembly and drivetrain parts. Ergo, you cannot say: SVT rules all, and whatever SVT does must be the thing to do. These guys are playing it safe, they have to.

Take that ACR SRT4, pull the 16" rims (225 50) off it, install some 18" x 9 1/2" rims with a 275 30 tire, some nice fat fender well rubbing tires that will make dealers cough up more warranty work due to blown up transmissions and I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that lap times would go down.


I think you're taking this conversation way too seriously. Honestly. Have a beer :drink:, I did use the word BASICALLY and I'm not really a fan of the dodge viper. I'm an import guy through and through, you didn't know what American Club Racing was, so I gave you the best example I could think of.

My reasoning that the ACR rims and tire sizes are better is because they are BBS, The stock SRT comes with a 17 inch dodge wheel, why upgrade to a 16 BBS on the performance package if it wasn't beneficial? In addition the ACR model SRT4 uses Tokico Struts, DOT legal, but also not from Dodge.

without lookin back through the thread can you even remember what the basic argument is? Oh yeah, i wanted 16x8 inch rims. I'm not here to argue a whole bunch of opinions and facts with you because none of them really matter.

[BlacknBoostn]

BTW the BFgoodrich tires are not my choice, Although sticky those tires do NOT have the sidewall stiffness I prefer in a car. I prefer Falken personally.

Also, in regards the SVT comment, we're talking about handling and suspension not the drivetrain... I can't think of very many people who've modified the suspension on their Cobras, usually because it doesn't really need it. Same with the ACR, I know of quite a few ACR srt4s who keep their stock suspension and rims, simply because it's already packaged for performance directly from the factory. Why upgrade something that's already been upgraded?

[enkeivette]

I'm familiar with the acronym ACR, just not the full name.

I remember the point, that's why I was arguing. I'm trying to talk you out of buying smaller diameter rims, not just prove a point. It just seems silly to me to model your car after a factory option. I would never do that, I always look to the guy who has done insane things with a C3 for advice and inspiration, not what GM did for their L82 engine back in the 70s. Look at my car now, it would f*ck any special GM model or concept C3 in the ass.

If I were you, I'd cruise the SRT forums and model your car after the dude with a 600hp SRT4. F*ck the ACR model. :judge::drink:

[BlacknBoostn]

I don't model my car after anyone, I do my own research and come to my own conclusions. I prefer a smaller rim size (depending on purpose and application) and a more subtle look on my cars. I could have gone with a 16 or 17in on my last car, I opted for a 15in. closer to factory specifications for mileage and handling purposes. I just hate rims that are too big, no offense because I think you have a great looking vette, i just much prefer a smaller rim size. Better for auto crossing etc.

I'm on the SRT forums all day long and the fastest SRT in california is on 17in wheels haha. Of course he doesn't auto cross, and drags only. and for that he runs slicks on 15s haha.

It may seem silly to you, but it's not to me.

[thisgirlkera]

It may seem silly to you, but it's not to me.

Yes, Tyler is one very serious person. :truestory:

Can't wait to see what the future brings for the SRT :thumbs_up::nana2:

[BlacknBoostn]

Yes, Tyler is one very serious person. :truestory:

Can't wait to see what the future brings for the SRT :thumbs_up::nana2:

OMG they have a true story smiley???? I WANT IT

[Vettezuki]

Yes, Tyler is one very serious person. :truestory:

Can't wait to see what the future brings for the SRT :thumbs_up::nana2:

Tyler smyler, what are YOU going to do? :thumbs_up: :smack:

[BlacknBoostn]

Tyler smyler, what are YOU going to do? :thumbs_up: :smack:

Try as much as you like, but TYLER is hard to make fun of!!! HAHAHA :nuts:

:) I'm going to modify the :censored: out of it yo!

I have a stage 3 system using aftermarket turbo and manifold using factory Stg3 PCM... Otherwise I'm going to go to piggyback or standalone and learn to tune myself :bigthumbsup:

[BlacknBoostn]

Dude what a cool smiley... :censored: haha sick

[Vettezuki]

Try as much as you like, but TYLER is hard to make fun of!!! HAHAHA :nuts:

:) I'm going to modify the :censored: out of it yo!

I have a stage 3 system using aftermarket turbo and manifold using factory Stg3 PCM... Otherwise I'm going to go to piggyback or standalone and learn to tune myself :bigthumbsup:

I know you're typing, but all I see is "ajf9)(*$32 fj90;l3j0f S)( d!"

More Kera, less Tyler . . .

JK, you're doing a great job to make what you want for the reasons you want. Take what guys like enkei say under advisement, he's full of great info, but forge your own path. I did that with my Vette, and honestly there isn't anything I would have done much differently so far with the budget I had. Looking forward to paddling your a$$ at the strip if your gf doesn't beat me to it. :pot_stir:

[enkeivette]

...i just much prefer a smaller rim size. Better for auto crossing etc.

:suicide: :leaving:

[BlacknBoostn]

:suicide: :leaving:

Lol tough

look up SRT4 autocrossing videos, the majority of the club racers out there run rims as small as a 15, on average they run a 16 inch rim. some run their 17x6 that comes on the car..

[enkeivette]

That's probably because they're running slicks. Were you planning on running slicks all the time?

Nevermind, buy some 15s, mount some street tires on them, I'm sure you'll be the talk of the crowd. :thumbs_up:

[enkeivette]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar010-1.jpg

That looks sick. And the back could definitely go down another 1.5," do it.

[BlacknBoostn]

That's probably because they're running slicks. Were you planning on running slicks all the time?

Nevermind, buy some 15s, mount some street tires on them, I'm sure you'll be the talk of the crowd. :thumbs_up:

For autocrossing? Maybe :) it'd be fun. for DD i still haven't decided yet. I'm trying to find a rim that is going to be a nice balance of track ready and streetable.

[BlacknBoostn]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/Srt-4/LoweredCar010-1.jpg

That looks sick. And the back could definitely go down another 1.5," do it.

I'm going to try to work on it this saturday again, it's a bit of a :censored: to do all by myself so we'll see how long it takes :) back will definitely be dropped another 1.5 or so and if I do end up with a 17in rim (still a possibility, it just depends on what I find and for what purpose) i'll be running a 50 series tire with a stiff sidewall and it should fill the fender gap nicely :)

I love my lowered car :)

[SeanPlunk]

It looks pretty damn good Tyler, nice work :thumbs_up:

[BlacknBoostn]

It looks pretty damn good Tyler, nice work :thumbs_up:


:) Thanks Sean, now I feel like I have a reason to park my car at the meets and to sport the motorgen sticker! going on after the rain btw.

[enkeivette]

I think these cars look a lot more serious with black rims. And black on black... so sweet. Have you considered scuffing up the stock rims and spraying them with a matte black or even a gloss black? I can shoot them for you. :D

[enkeivette]

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/SRTeveO4/sig33-1.jpg


Here's another idea.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/775000-775999/775319_14_full.jpg

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/6601/3n8ws.jpg

[enkeivette]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/Ticklemypickle8x/rimss.jpg

[enkeivette]

Graphite would be badass too.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/Jakeborder/comparison.jpg

[enkeivette]

Here's another idea.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g271/mark0113/205300120325.jpg

And I'm sure your chick would dig this.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Braal21/SRT-4Neon015.jpg:smack:

[enkeivette]

OK, here's the graphite on a black car. Sooo sick.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff205/MooMooWater/CIMG2034a.jpg

I think I'll stop posting now. Pretty sure after all of this you're going to say that you want an aftermarket rim anyways. Haha.

[enkeivette]

One more!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb320/famoussrt4/maride064.jpg

[BlacknBoostn]

mmm Yes to almost all. The stockers for now will be shot Black, it's already in the plan, wanted to lower it first :) just have to have a day to put the car on blocks and do it all at once...

An aftermarket rim will be coming in a few months, probably around the time I need to buy new tires, probably in a dark bronze or graphite. the goal is to be relatively simple and somewhat sleeper (as sleeper as you can get with an SRt4... )

[BlacknBoostn]

The graphite wheels DO look :censored: sick

[BlacknBoostn]

The graphite wheels DO look :censored: sick

check this one out... absolutely gorgeous. these cars look fantastic black on black or dark wheels

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/100_3364.jpg

It's this picture here that is making me lean towards a side exit exhaust... freakin awesome right there

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/0411scc_srt02_z5B15D.jpg

[BlacknBoostn]

The main reason that aftermarket wheels will be coming as soon as affordable is because the offest and width in the factory rims simply aren't good enough for me. any good set of wheels should fit flush with the fender IMO

[BlacknBoostn]

this picture is up in my room, lovin the bronze...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/_MG_4106copy.jpg

The ACR wheels... lookit the MEAT on those 16s... gorgeous...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/BBS20SRT204.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/BBS20SRT206.jpg

this car has certain levels of inspiration for me, but not my personal choice of wheels. If I could drive around in Cali being that black without getting pulled over it'd be fantastic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/hpim0512nf1.jpg

THIS: is essentially the look i'll be going for.. super clean... different wheels though.. the Enkei RPF-1 is not my taste on these cars.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/internetready6.jpg

You want more pix??? I GOT UM.. Sean, I'll post up some pictures of wicked Cobras for you... where you want me to put them??

[BlacknBoostn]

Really considering a set of these... yes, in a seventeen inch rim but not because you (enkeivette) convinced me otherwise. they're not available in a 16 lol either in the bronze pictured or a graphite like pictured above maybe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/sdx_sbronze.jpg

[BlacknBoostn]

k whored the thread enough... i'll wait for someone else to post

[SeanPlunk]

Really considering a set of these... yes, in a seventeen inch rim but not because you (enkeivette) convinced me otherwise. they're not available in a 16 lol either in the bronze pictured or a graphite like pictured above maybe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/sdx_sbronze.jpg

I like those rims a lot. I also really like the stock ones in graphite :bigthumbsup:

[Vettezuki]

Really considering a set of these... yes, in a seventeen inch rim but not because you (enkeivette) convinced me otherwise. they're not available in a 16 lol either in the bronze pictured or a graphite like pictured above maybe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/sdx_sbronze.jpg

I think these would be a very nice choice. :bigthumbsup:

[enkeivette]

Those are sick. I dig the bronze too, and not a lot of people do for some reason.

The 16s pictured are on a smaller diameter tire, I'm willing to bet that it's a 50s series also. I'll bet ACR did that to up the gear ratio slightly. I wouldn't do that with a DD. I'd try to keep the same diameter just for freeway cruising.

Someone had put a smaller diameter tire on my neon. I just put the facotry size back on (wider but same diameter) and a 5% increase in the sidewall makes only a difference of a few hundred rpm, but you can feel it on the freeway.

And when I see 16s like that on an SRT, it makes me think for a second that someone might have decorated a Neon to look like an SRT. I dunno, that's just me.

[enkeivette]

The ACR wheels... lookit the MEAT on those 16s... gorgeous...

BTW, and I'll only say this once more, you want the tread of the tire no wider than the rim, in fact it should actually be smaller than the rim. This will strech out the sidewall and allow it to roll less. So the meaty look that you're referring to, will hurt your road course performance.

Then again, if you're not willing to run a fender well rubbing wide rim, maybe you should give up some sidewall stiffness for some width and grip.

[BlacknBoostn]

Those are sick. I dig the bronze too, and not a lot of people do for some reason.

The 16s pictured are on a smaller diameter tire, I'm willing to bet that it's a 50s series also. I'll bet ACR did that to up the gear ratio slightly. I wouldn't do that with a DD. I'd try to keep the same diameter just for freeway cruising.

Someone had put a smaller diameter tire on my neon. I just put the facotry size back on (wider but same diameter) and a 5% increase in the sidewall makes only a difference of a few hundred rpm, but you can feel it on the freeway.

And when I see 16s like that on an SRT, it makes me think for a second that someone might have decorated a Neon to look like an SRT. I dunno, that's just me.


Thanks is correct sir! The ACR runs a 50 series tire... those tires I believe are still factory specification, 225-50-16... and the perfect size IMO.. they could be stretched, at the cost of traction.. they could be much bigger (the BBS rim could conceivably run a 235-245 series tire depending on ones personal preference to how much to get on there...) at the cost of functionality..

Personally I prefer the stretched look.. but certain tires look fantastic when they are a little bit over-meaty per say... like mustangs. I love a mustang with fat beefy tires.

[BlacknBoostn]

Other options include:

http://www.jlbmotorsports.com/rims/rotapics/boost_gm.jpg
Available in 16x7 and 17x8

http://www.jlbmotorsports.com/rims/rotapics/d2_sg.jpg
available in 16x7 and 17x8.5

http://www.jlbmotorsports.com/rims/rotapics/jmag_gm.jpg
available in 6x7 and 17x8.5

http://www.jlbmotorsports.com/rims/rotapics/slipstream_fb.jpg
Available in too many sizes to list... these would be my track wheels...
Best sizes are 16x8 and 17x8.5

http://www.jlbmotorsports.com/rims/rotapics/svn_1.jpg
These would be my choice for show wheels...
18x8.5 for the show...

As you can see I love wheels. The bronze onces shown previously will probably end up being the final choice, seeing as I can't afford 6 different sets of wheels not to mention getting some 15s to mount my slicks on...

[enkeivette]

Just in case you forgot, in your sig, you say your goal is 400whp. And now you're considering some 7" rims with only 225 tires... With 400whp, on a FWD car... :sm_up_there:

[BlacknBoostn]

Just in case you forgot, in your sig, you say your goal is 400whp. And now you're considering some 7" rims with only 225 tires... With 400whp, on a FWD car... :sm_up_there:

Trust me, by the time I am hitting 400whp i'll have wider wheels all around... in addition to multiple boost schedules... like low boost for daily mid boost for fun driving and high boost for track

[BlacknBoostn]

Just in case you forgot, in your sig, you say your goal is 400whp. And now you're considering some 7" rims with only 225 tires... With 400whp, on a FWD car... :sm_up_there:

OK so seriously... how long are you going to pick apart and/or disprove everything I say? It's gettin old really quickly... :tongue:

btw my plan is to eventually be running 245/45/17 when i'm pushing that level of power.

[enkeivette]

OK so seriously... how long are you going to pick apart and/or disprove everything I say? It's gettin old really quickly... :tongue:

btw my plan is to eventually be running 245/45/17 when i'm pushing that level of power.

Till you give in and buy some gigantic tires for your boosted ride! :sm_laughing: Take it from the guy who can't get traction in 3rd gear with 275 Nittos, buy some tread and plan for the future.

Ok, I'm done. ;)

[BlacknBoostn]

Till you give in and buy some gigantic tires for your boosted ride! :sm_laughing: Take it from the guy who can't get traction in 3rd gear with 275 Nittos, buy some tread and plan for the future.

Ok, I'm done. ;)

HAH Finally some smilies... Now I feel like you aren't quite as serious... :drink:

My car is a FWD Turbo... I threw traction out the effing window when I bought the car haha.. mine'll never run faster then mid 11s on slicks. That'll be my AWD car someday.

[SeanPlunk]

HAH Finally some smilies... Now I feel like you aren't quite as serious... :drink:

My car is a FWD Turbo... I threw traction out the effing window when I bought the car haha.. mine'll never run faster then mid 11s on slicks. That'll be my AWD car someday.

LOL, Enkei only gives you such a hard time because he cares Tyler :D

[SeanPlunk]

Oh, and for the record, I know what he means. Honestly I'd buy those bronze rims in 17's and run the 245/45/17 now. I think that size is an excellent daily driver/all around tire. Then just get lightweight rims and tires for the track later :D

[SeanPlunk]

Your car looks awesome now by the way - very clean. I wish Dodge would have made a true successor to the SRT4. The Caliber SRT4 is just too damn heavy and tall :(

[BlacknBoostn]

Oh, and for the record, I know what he means. Honestly I'd buy those bronze rims in 17's and run the 245/45/17 now. I think that size is an excellent daily driver/all around tire. Then just get lightweight rims and tires for the track later :D

It's still in the works.. i'm completely indecisive until i have cash in hand and then choose to buy... it's a damn curse... IF I do go with a 245/45/17 I'll probably go with a tad bit of a cheaper tire (Falken Ziex) until i raise the boost... had them on my last car.. superb grip and a nice quiet street tire..

the final tires will be either yokohama parado spec 2 or falken azenis rt-615

[BlacknBoostn]

Your car looks awesome now by the way - very clean. I wish Dodge would have made a true successor to the SRT4. The Caliber SRT4 is just too damn heavy and tall :(

Thanks Sean! Have a :drink: on me! I agree completely... The Caliber is just to big and bulky.. A true successor would have to include an AWD option. NOW we're talking!!! Give me until the next 2 meets and i'll throw on eyelids or a BFMIC along with blackened wheels... car will be fully debadged as well.. only the SRT4 is remaining currently... took off the DODGE

keep your eye out for a roadster SRT4 prototype btw... I've seen concepts.

[enkeivette]

Yeah I'm not trying to be a dick at all. Falkens aren't bad for street tires, I've been through a set. They lasted quite a while, and the grip was better than I expected for the price. These Nittos NT555 are the best street tires I've owned by far though. Dunlop and BFGoodRich are also very good, but more expensive.

And Yokohama makes an Advan tire for big rim track/ street cars that bites hard, so I hear.
http://www.truecarbon.se/erik/bild0797ic.jpg


The caliber is ugly btw. :leaving:

[Vettezuki]

. . . The caliber is ugly btw. :leaving:

I thought so too. Then I saw one all blacked out rice+muscle style and it actually looked pretty cool. I was surprised to see the Badge when I drove by.

[enkeivette]

Dude, Jegs sells the Nitto NT555R in a 245 45 17 for only $155 a piece. You should order some, that would be sweet. :D

http://www.fastbird93.com/Corvette/Pics/Tires.JPG

[BlacknBoostn]

Yah the Advan does bite hard.. I know of alot of track guys that use them.. not on SRTs really though.. and the NITTO tire is actually an option... do you know what the treadwear rating is? I'm going to go through at least 2 sets before I hit my HP goal.. probably before I even get close.

Would a 245 series tire fit a 8-8.5 wide rim without rolling over the sides too much??

[BlacknBoostn]

turns out the bronze is a 17x7.5... as long as it'll still fit the tire should be fine for the time being...

[SeanPlunk]

turns out the bronze is a 17x7.5... as long as it'll still fit the tire should be fine for the time being...

Ugh, I'm bad at this. Can you fit a 225 on a 7.5" tire or what's the max? I can never remember. I think the Cobra rim is 17" by 9" and you can fit up to a 315 on?

[SeanPlunk]

Yah the Advan does bite hard.. I know of alot of track guys that use them.. not on SRTs really though.. and the NITTO tire is actually an option... do you know what the treadwear rating is? I'm going to go through at least 2 sets before I hit my HP goal.. probably before I even get close.

Would a 245 series tire fit a 8-8.5 wide rim without rolling over the sides too much??

I have the Nitto's as well and they're the best street tire I've owned. I've never liked the Goodyear F1's (stock tire) because they wear like crap. Anyway, the treadwear rating on the Nitto's is 300. Here is the tire in a 245/45/17. (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?pc=40139&counter=1&ar=45&rd=17&sw=false&cs=245) For the 225/45/17 it doesn't like like Nitto makes the 555, but they have two other normal tire options. Here is one (280 treadwear) (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?pc=40218&counter=2&ar=45&rd=17&sw=false&cs=225), and here is the other (260 treadwear). (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?pc=40338&counter=2&ar=45&rd=17&sw=false&cs=225)

[BlacknBoostn]

Ugh, I'm bad at this. Can you fit a 225 on a 7.5" tire or what's the max? I can never remember. I think the Cobra rim is 17" by 9" and you can fit up to a 315 on?

Agreed.. I used tirerack for the longest time to determine the correct size tire for rim... if that ends up being the case those will need smaller tires.. i'm pretty sure I could even fit a 235 to be honest.. i have a 215 on my 6 inch wide rims... on a 7.5 i think a 235 could be fit and an 8.5 can fit a 245 very nicely w/o having too much over the edge

[BlacknBoostn]

I have the Nitto's as well and they're the best street tire I've owned. I've never liked the Goodyear F1's (stock tire) because they wear like crap. Anyway, the treadwear rating on the Nitto's is 300. Here is the tire in a 245/45/17. (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?pc=40139&counter=1&ar=45&rd=17&sw=false&cs=245) For the 225/45/17 it doesn't like like Nitto makes the 555, but they have two other normal tire options. Here is one (280 treadwear) (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?pc=40218&counter=2&ar=45&rd=17&sw=false&cs=225), and here is the other (260 treadwear). (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?pc=40338&counter=2&ar=45&rd=17&sw=false&cs=225)

I'll probably consult the SRTforums... damn gurus that they are. If a 245 could be fit correctly that'd be prefered but if it's going to roll to much it may not be the best idea. i'd even go with a 235/50/17 maybe

[enkeivette]

Yah the Advan does bite hard.. I know of alot of track guys that use them.. not on SRTs really though.. and the NITTO tire is actually an option... do you know what the treadwear rating is? I'm going to go through at least 2 sets before I hit my HP goal.. probably before I even get close.

Would a 245 series tire fit a 8-8.5 wide rim without rolling over the sides too much??

245 on an 8.5, so easy. 245 on an 8 would even be fine. You could probably get it on a 7.5 but it would buldge.

Let me know if you have trouble getting a shop to mount the tires. Lots of shops will cry nowadays if you ask them to put on a tire that is different at all from the factory size.

[SeanPlunk]

I'll probably consult the SRTforums... damn gurus that they are. If a 245 could be fit correctly that'd be prefered but if it's going to roll to much it may not be the best idea. i'd even go with a 235/50/17 maybe

On the SRT forums they say you can run 245/40/17's with no problem. (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f136/running-245s-444393/) Lots of guys even appear to be doing it on the stock rim. It looks pretty clean actually. Here are pics (not stock rim, but the right size) :hail:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o308/ANGIELYNCH/srt003.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o308/ANGIELYNCH/carpics034.jpg

[BlacknBoostn]

On the SRT forums they say you can run 245/40/17's with no problem. (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f136/running-245s-444393/) Lots of guys even appear to be doing it on the stock rim. It looks pretty clean actually. Here are pics (not stock rim, but the right size) :hail:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o308/ANGIELYNCH/srt003.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o308/ANGIELYNCH/carpics034.jpg

Yah that looks great.. I wonder if I can find a better offset, those are sticking out a tad much from the fender for my taste... I wish I had a picture of my friends SRT I don't know what size he's running but they are the best fitting rims/tires IMO.. I prefer to be a little lower than that guy right there and they would most certainly rub.

You can do it without any problems of course.. but that depends on your ride height!!! I couldn't have fit anything larger than 205s in my integra with the ride height I was at but if I rolled my fenders and raised it a little I could have run 215s-225s with no problem.

Hell I could throw on 275s with the right height and offset of the wheels! as long as it would clear the shock haha. it would look like ass though...

I wonder.. I might be doing some experimenting over the next year or so with tire size and offsets.

a 245 should NEVER be done on the stock rim IMO.. not unless you want to look and handle like your running drag radials all day.

now that i'm looking closer he's probably running spacers on the front... back looks OK

[BlacknBoostn]

Good examples of my preferred fitment:

This black one fits really well
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/DSC00180_800x600.jpg

I love the way this red one is set up, gorgeous
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/DSC00679.jpg

The way this black one has it's wheels and tires is my definition of PERFECT FITMENT. Nice huh???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/FSCN0679.jpg

Just a couple other prime examples of stance and tire size... That white one at the end makes me rethink my decision to own a black one... so tasty
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/img1111lq6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/IMG_0478sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/IMG_11482.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/IMG_2218.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/IMG_3352.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

Good examples of my preferred fitment:

This black one fits really well
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/DSC00180_800x600.jpg

I love the way this red one is set up, gorgeous
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/DSC00679.jpg

The way this black one has it's wheels and tires is my definition of PERFECT FITMENT. Nice huh???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/FSCN0679.jpg

Just a couple other prime examples of stance and tire size... That white one at the end makes me rethink my decision to own a black one... so tasty
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/img1111lq6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/IMG_0478sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/IMG_11482.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/IMG_2218.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/XposedClimber/other%20srt4d/IMG_3352.jpg

Those are all really nice examples. I actually think the yellow one is lowered too far though. Otherwise, I like the fit of all the examples you provided. The white SRT does look really nice, although I'm obviously partial :thumbs_up:

[enkeivette]

You may want to consider going with more offset in the front than in the back. To line up with the wheel well the back tires need to stick out a tad more. At least, that's what it looks like to me from memory. You should measure. Also, if you keep the front one tucked, it makes it much less likely to hit the fender lip.

I did this on the Vette. Although, my front's are tucked, not lined up.

[BlacknBoostn]

You may want to consider going with more offset in the front than in the back. To line up with the wheel well the back tires need to stick out a tad more. At least, that's what it looks like to me from memory. You should measure. Also, if you keep the front one tucked, it makes it much less likely to hit the fender lip.

I did this on the Vette. Although, my front's are tucked, not lined up.

Yah A higher offset would make it fit better... the tires pictured on the orange SRT you posted, I believe he's running spacers in the front. SRT owners are notorious for running front spacers... I don't know why only front would benefit... there should be no need for a staggered offset

[thisgirlkera]

I know you're typing, but all I see is "ajf9)(*$32 fj90;l3j0f S)( d!"

More Kera, less Tyler . . .

JK, you're doing a great job to make what you want for the reasons you want. Take what guys like enkei say under advisement, he's full of great info, but forge your own path. I did that with my Vette, and honestly there isn't anything I would have done much differently so far with the budget I had. Looking forward to paddling your a$$ at the strip if your gf doesn't beat me to it. :pot_stir:

hahahahaha. oh i will be owning ya'll when i get my bootay on that track.
:bigthumbsup:

[BlacknBoostn]

hahahahaha. oh i will be owning ya'll when i get my bootay on that track.
:bigthumbsup:

haha I'll bet your excited to make it out there finally!!! We should all attend an autocrossing event together... :D

[enkeivette]

hahahahaha. oh i will be owning ya'll when i get my bootay on that track.
:bigthumbsup:

I think it was ben that told me that girls typically have the coordination and/or speed to be better drivers. Something about having a faster reaction time on the average. Also, they're lighter on the average!

I'll bet you wiegh a little over 100lbs, while I'm over 200lbs. I would kill to drop 100lbs off my car, that's a tenth easy!

[BlacknBoostn]

I think it was ben that told me that girls typically have the coordination and/or speed to be better drivers. Something about having a faster reaction time on the average. Also, they're lighter on the average!

I'll bet you wiegh a little over 100lbs, while I'm over 200lbs. I would kill to drop 100lbs off my car, that's a tenth easy!

I believe that, women excel at quite a few different sports for those reasons, I know Kera has great reflexes so once she has a trackable car she will do very well and force me into doing more modifications and sooner haha

[thisgirlkera]

I believe that, women excel at quite a few different sports for those reasons, I know Kera has great reflexes so once she has a trackable car she will do very well and force me into doing more modifications and sooner haha

haha ya damn right! this 95lb chick will own you hehe:D

[SeanPlunk]

haha ya damn right! this 95lb chick will own you hehe:D

You won't own me at giving blood :)

[enkeivette]

You won't own me at giving blood :)

:rolling:

[BlacknBoostn]

You won't own me at giving blood :)

OMG haha :rolling: