New car fever!

[BRUTAL64]

Yep, I got it. I am even playing with the ideas of selling my Harley or ......... the Vette. Yep, the Vette. If I decide to sell the Vette Ben has first crack at it.

Now, to come up with a price.................:judge:


This is something that will not happen tomorrow... but with in the next year or so.

Right now the list goes;
2010 Camaro
2010 Raptor
2012 Boss 302 --maybe a GT
Roush 427R

But first on my list is a Shelby GT500.:)

If I sell the Vette I know I will regret it. So, the Harley is the first to go...if need be.

I want something fast --AMERICAN--- with a V8 and stops up there with the best. Handling is a must and of course has to look good.

Nothing from over seas will be on the list---maybe BMW.

[Vettezuki]

Yep, I got it. I am even playing with the ideas of selling my Harley or ......... the Vette. Yep, the Vette. If I decide to sell the Vette Ben has first crack at it.

Now, to come up with a price.................:judge:


This is something that will not happen tomorrow... but with in the next year or so.

Right now the list goes;
2010 Camaro
2010 Raptor
2012 Boss 302 --maybe a GT
Roush 427R

But first on my list is a Shelby GT500.:)

If I sell the Vette I know I will regret it. So, the Harley is the first to go...if need be.

I want something fast --AMERICAN--- with a V8 and stops up there with the best. Handling is a must and of course has to look good.

Nothing from over seas will be on the list---maybe BMW.

Boss 302 would probably be my first choice according to your criteria, or even just on that list.

[BRUTAL64]

Boss 302 would probably be my first choice according to your criteria, or even just on that list.

Yea, but the damn dealers are going to mark up the price like they do on the Shelby. So it may not be the way to go.:nutkick:


BTW; How's your C2 fund?

[BRUTAL64]

If I go FORD, it will not have the 4.6. Does anyone have the bore and stroke specs on the new 5.0???:)

[Vettezuki]

Yea, but the damn dealers are going to mark up the price like they do on the Shelby. So it may not be the way to go.:nutkick:


BTW; How's your C2 fund?

At this time all capital goes towards the new business. But if that goes reasonably to plan I should be in a much better overall position in a year or so.

[Damian]

SHO, thats all I have to say about that.

[BRUTAL64]

SHO, thats all I have to say about that.

Way too heavy and all wrong for the way I drive.:leaving:

[BRUTAL64]

At this time all capital goes towards the new business. But if that goes reasonably to plan I should be in a much better overall position in a year or so.

About my time table also. Unless I find something that fits my current capital criteria--not having to sell the Vette. If I go $45,000 to $55,000 then the Vette will need to be sold.

Wish the new Grand Sport was in that price range. Maybe if I leasted it....:thumbs_up:

[SeanPlunk]

Yea, but the damn dealers are going to mark up the price like they do on the Shelby. So it may not be the way to go.:nutkick:


BTW; How's your C2 fund?

I know a fleet dealer at Villa Ford and I might be able to get around that for you :thumbs_up:

[SeanPlunk]

If I go FORD, it will not have the 4.6. Does anyone have the bore and stroke specs on the new 5.0???:)

Nobody knows for sure yet.

[BRUTAL64]

Nobody knows for sure yet.

That is going to really determind if the 5.0 can make REAL power. Small bores (under 4 inch) keep the valve size too small.

On small bore engines forced induction is really the only way to make the big power. The LS3 is a large bore motor. That's why I'm leaning Camaro at this point--engine wise. It's still too heavy. But the more I look at it the more I like the looks.

I'm a FORD guy, but certain facts are facts.:boggled:

[Vettezuki]

I know a fleet dealer at Villa Ford and I might be able to get around that for you :thumbs_up:

That would be impressive. Don't know why a dealer would sell a product 10s of thousands below what the market would fetch. :huh:

[BRUTAL64]

That would be impressive. Don't know why a dealer would sell a product 10s of thousands below what the market would fetch. :huh:

The sticker for Shelbys is around $50,000--- with mark up they go for $80,000.

I figure a GOOD Boss 302 is going to be around $45,000. I can do that in a year or two. But mark that up and.......................no way.:mad:

[BADDASSC6]

I would get the Camaro. Ford hasn't made an NA motor with nuts since 1995. Plus I have personally witnessed a SS tear up Buttonwillow (tight and technical) and go turn for turn with an Elise.

The Mustangs may have more refined interiors, but they are SLOW. I never met anyone with a modular motor GT who ultimately wasn't just disappointed. GT500 are fast for drag racing ONLY. They get them on a race course and the Civic Si guys eat them alive until they finally pit in due to overheating.

Here are some other suggestions:
Solstice:drool2:: great overall setup and cheap to "reasonably" increase power with the turbo. Suspension architecture is great, but needs stiffer shocks and springs to take advantage.
BMW 135i:drool2:: power to wieght ratio is good. Great torque! Strong after market support. Downs: not american, NARROW track means you better know what you are doing.
Genisis turbo coupe: Cheap, but it's also cheap:sm_laughing:.
Evo:drool2:: It drives itself. Pretty much the only "import" car thats actually as fast as the ricers think it is.
370z: Has nuts and handle great, but they run out of breath. Very limited performance envelope from the VQ without dropping big dollars . JDM Mustang:(

[Douglas Mariani]

My new car list....

1)2010 Camaro(Beth said 6 Corvettes are enough:boggled:)
2)Roush 427R
3)Boss 302

If I went import it would be the Audi S8(we need a 4 door)

[BRUTAL64]

I would get the Camaro. Ford hasn't made an NA motor with nuts since 1995. Plus I have personally witnessed a SS tear up Buttonwillow (tight and technical) and go turn for turn with an Elise.

The Mustangs may have more refined interiors, but they are SLOW. I never met anyone with a modular motor GT who ultimately wasn't just disappointed. GT500 are fast for drag racing ONLY. They get them on a race course and the Civic Si guys eat them alive until they finally pit in due to overheating.

Here are some other suggestions:
Solstice:drool2:: great overall setup and cheap to "reasonably" increase power with the turbo. Suspension architecture is great, but needs stiffer shocks and springs to take advantage.
BMW 135i:drool2:: power to wieght ratio is good. Great torque! Strong after market support. Downs: not american, NARROW track means you better know what you are doing.
Genisis turbo coupe: Cheap, but it's also cheap:sm_laughing:.
Evo:drool2:: It drives itself. Pretty much the only "import" car thats actually as fast as the ricers think it is.
370z: Has nuts and handle great, but they run out of breath. Very limited performance envelope from the VQ without dropping big dollars . JDM Mustang:(

Hey, thanks for the info.

On the Camaro you saw at the track. Was it all stock or did it have mods?

[BRUTAL64]

My new car list....

1)2010 Camaro(Beth said 6 Corvettes are enough:boggled:)
2)Roush 427R
3)Boss 302

If I went import it would be the Audi S8(we need a 4 door)

I've beginning to see a trend in a lot of the New Car lists for most people-- they include the 2010 Camaro.

I need to drive an SS. :drink:

[BRUTAL64]

For the Hell of it, I priced a new Vette 3lt. It came to 52,000 with the 4,000 price allowance. Food for thought.:p

That's a 6 speed with 430 hp LS3 and Z51 package.:thumbs_up:

The 1lt is 48,000

[SeanPlunk]

I would get the Camaro. Ford hasn't made an NA motor with nuts since 1995. Plus I have personally witnessed a SS tear up Buttonwillow (tight and technical) and go turn for turn with an Elise.

The Mustangs may have more refined interiors, but they are SLOW. I never met anyone with a modular motor GT who ultimately wasn't just disappointed. GT500 are fast for drag racing ONLY. They get them on a race course and the Civic Si guys eat them alive until they finally pit in due to overheating.

Here are some other suggestions:
Solstice:drool2:: great overall setup and cheap to "reasonably" increase power with the turbo. Suspension architecture is great, but needs stiffer shocks and springs to take advantage.
BMW 135i:drool2:: power to wieght ratio is good. Great torque! Strong after market support. Downs: not american, NARROW track means you better know what you are doing.
Genisis turbo coupe: Cheap, but it's also cheap:sm_laughing:.
Evo:drool2:: It drives itself. Pretty much the only "import" car thats actually as fast as the ricers think it is.
370z: Has nuts and handle great, but they run out of breath. Very limited performance envelope from the VQ without dropping big dollars . JDM Mustang:(

I love my Cobra for what it is. The only disappointing part for me is my driving :censored:

[jedhead]

If I bought a new car, it would be CTS-V with the six-speed manual. I test drove one and loved it. I just could not afford it. I have thing for high performance sedans. I would also be tempted to install a standard CTS bumper cover for stealth.
My favorite thing about my SHO especially when I first got it was the stealth. No one expected the performance I had in the early 90's from a Taurus. I had more than one defeated driver follow me off the freeway and say "what the **** you got in that thing". I would say a stock 183ci V6.

Bob

[BADDASSC6]

Hey, thanks for the info.

On the Camaro you saw at the track. Was it all stock or did it have mods?

It was a rental. One on the TTU drivers has an insane supra that was down while it was getting custom uprights machined (see Ron I have way more suspension mods to do). He basically used rentals this entire year. He started off with caymens, but the last three months he used the new SS. He has great car control. his boy was running a lightly modded elise and they just went at it all the time.

[BADDASSC6]

For the Hell of it, I priced a new Vette 3lt. It came to 52,000 with the 4,000 price allowance. Food for thought.:p

That's a 6 speed with 430 hp LS3 and Z51 package.:thumbs_up:

The 1lt is 48,000

That's exactly what I bought. obviously mine was an LS2. Money was spent on upgraded trim packages since I new what I had planned for it.

[BRUTAL64]

That's exactly what I bought. obviously mine was an LS2. Money was spent on upgraded trim packages since I new what I had planned for it.

IF.........I go Vette. This is 2009 for the $48,000 with Z51.
The 2010 Grand Sport interests me greatly. But, when I get into that kind of money, I'll need to sell the 64.

That's the tough part, selling the 64 I've had since I was 21.:drink:

[BRUTAL64]

It was a rental. One on the TTU drivers has an insane supra that was down while it was getting custom uprights machined (see Ron I have way more suspension mods to do). He basically used rentals this entire year. He started off with caymens, but the last three months he used the new SS. He has great car control. his boy was running a lightly modded elise and they just went at it all the time.

A rental......cool.:)

[BRUTAL64]

2010 Grand Sport Corvette 1lt with just the options I want is a little over $56,000. Now, I would need to sell the 64 Vette and Harley.:rolleyes2:


But, it is still doable. :D

[Vettezuki]

2010 Grand Sport Corvette 1lt with just the options I want is a little over $56,000. Now, I would need to sell the 64 Vette and Harley.:rolleyes2:


But, it is still doable. :D

Don't mean to be a pain, but there is a glut of "toys" on the market. Some cherry stuff s going for half what it was a year ago. Consider your friend who sold his well maintained, Gucci wheeled C6Z for < $50k. Just not sure what the Vette and Harley would fetch in the real marketplace today. :huh:

[BRUTAL64]

Don't mean to be a pain, but there is a glut of "toys" on the market. Some cherry stuff s going for half what it was a year ago. Consider your friend who sold his well maintained, Gucci wheeled C6Z for < $50k. Just not sure what the Vette and Harley would fetch in the real marketplace today. :huh:

I have a good friend that will give me TOP dollar for the 64.:lmfao:



I've thought of all this. One step at a time. I'm putting together info to ponder over. If I can find a well maintained and low mileage Vette with the z51 package then .......


Remember I only paid $1,200 for the 64. So if I only get $12,000 which includes spare 327 and original 327 heads plus a bunch of extra parts --including original trans-- two hoods. I'm doing good.


But, right now I'm putting together info.:pot_stir:

[Vettezuki]

I have a good friend that will give me TOP dollar for the 64.:lmfao:



I've thought of all this. One step at a time. I'm putting together info to ponder over. If I can find a well maintained and low mileage Vette with the z51 package then .......


Remember I only paid $1,200 for the 64. So if I only get $12,000 which includes spare 327 and original 327 heads plus a bunch of extra parts --including original trans-- two hoods. I'm doing good.


But, right now I'm putting together info.:pot_stir:

Keep running numbers until they really start to make sense. Count everything, don't forget full insurance on a car your're paying for and the fact registration in CA basically doubled, so on a "new" car could be more than you think. You can do it all on a piece of paper with a ruler, calculator, pencil and eraser, but Excel makes it SOOOO much easier to change inputs and see what the outputs instantly.

[BRUTAL64]

Keep running numbers until they really start to make sense. Count everything, don't forget full insurance on a car your're paying for and the fact registration in CA basically doubled, so on a "new" car could be more than you think. You can do it all on a piece of paper with a ruler, calculator, pencil and eraser, but Excel makes it SOOOO much easier to change inputs and see what the outputs instantly.

You trying to scare me here? :lmfao:
Yea, that's pretty much the what I"m doing. At my advanced years I'd like to buy a "new" car one more time. :bang:


But, I may be thinking about another job that will actually pay me something close to what I'm worth.:rolleyes::crutches:

[Vettezuki]

You trying to scare me here? :lmfao:
Yea, that's pretty much the what I"m doing. At my advanced years I'd like to buy a "new" car one more time. :bang:


But, I may be thinking about another job that will actually pay me something close to what I'm worth.:rolleyes::crutches:

It's entirely your business Glenn. It's a character flaw of mine to give unsolicited advice.

New gig? Sounds intriguing.

[BRUTAL64]

It's entirely your business Glenn. It's a character flaw of mine to give unsolicited advice.

New gig? Sounds intriguing.

Hey, you know I want your unsolicited advice. I'm ALWAYS interested in what you have to say.

So far it looks like it will be too far to drive though. Remember I walk to work and money for gas is not an issue. Sort of like giving myself a raise.:rolleyes:

[Vettezuki]

Hey, you know I want your unsolicited advice. I'm ALWAYS interested in what you have to say.

So far it looks like it will be too far to drive though. Remember I walk to work and money for gas is not an issue. Sort of like giving myself a raise.:rolleyes:

Walking to work is damn hard to beat and worth a lot in money AND time. It would take 10s of thousands of dollars a year for me consider giving up that kind of convenience. It also depends a great deal on the work environment. If you're walking to a place you like to work at, you've got it made. If it sucks, well then, then driving to a better place is well, better. Lot's to consider.

[BRUTAL64]

Walking to work is damn hard to beat and worth a lot in money AND time. It would take 10s of thousands of dollars a year for me consider giving up that kind of convenience. It also depends a great deal on the work environment. If you're walking to a place you like to work at, you've got it made. If it sucks, well then, then driving to a better place is well, better. Lot's to consider.

I guess driving to work wouldn't be so bad if I DID NOT have to talk to people.:jester:
The talk would be almost 2/3s more a year then I make now. But, what's 2/3s of shit.

So I may just make do here and see if I can scrape up what I would need for a 2010 Grand Sport. Probably end up with a Matrix.:bang:

[Vettezuki]

I guess driving to work wouldn't be so bad if I DID NOT have to talk to people.:jester:
The talk would be almost 2/3s more a year then I make now. But, what's 2/3s of shit.

So I may just make do here and see if I can scrape up what I would need for a 2010 Grand Sport. Probably end up with a Matrix.:bang:

Is this for you or Darlene, or both? If it's for your car, have you considered spending a fraction of what you'd spend on a new car at that level on the Vette to make it kinda cherry? You could certainly get some help with labor from around here. Then you wouldn't be chained to payments. You could just accumulate and spend as you have it on what you've always wanted to do on the Vette. Just an idea. Of course I understand the allure of a new car. I'm not immune to it . . . just highly resistant. :)

[BRUTAL64]

Is this for you or Darlene, or both? If it's for your car, have you considered spending a fraction of what you'd spend on a new car at that level on the Vette to make it kinda cherry? You could certainly get some help with labor from around here. Then you wouldn't be chained to payments. You could just accumulate and spend as you have it on what you've always wanted to do on the Vette. Just an idea. Of course I understand the allure of a new car. I'm not immune to it . . . just highly resistant. :)

For what I would want to do to the 64 I would need $40,000. Darlene still couldn't drive it. So....................

Any the technology these days are light years ahead of what I could do to the 64.

Right now I'm doing the Wish list shit. The Camaro is still number one on the list with the Grand Sport (or 09 Z51) a close second.

If I decide to wait a year, then the Boss 302 gets to the top of the list. :drink:

[heypal]

corvette
mustang boss 302(if u want something thats not a pig and will handle like crap boo gt500 great in a straight line though)
trailblazer ss....errr camaro

[SeanPlunk]

corvette
mustang boss 302(if u want something thats not a pig and will handle like crap boo gt500 great in a straight line though)
trailblazer ss....errr camaro

LULZ on the Trailblazer SS. If you think the coupe is heavy, just weight for the vert...

[Leedom]

But, I may be thinking about another job that will actually pay me something close to what I'm worth.:rolleyes::crutches:

Then how will you be able to afford anything? :nutkick::nutkick:

[BRUTAL64]

Then how will you be able to afford anything? :nutkick::nutkick:

With Darlene's and my paychecks together, we can do $700 a month payments.:drink:

Darlene has been on her job only about 4 months and the raise they gave her puts her at almost the same pay I get.:smack:

[BRUTAL64]

corvette
mustang boss 302(if u want something thats not a pig and will handle like crap boo gt500 great in a straight line though)
trailblazer ss....errr camaro

BADDASSC6 has a post about a SS rental doing a pretty respectable job at a track.

"Plus I have personally witnessed a SS tear up Buttonwillow (tight and technical) and go turn for turn with an Elise."

When he talks I listen.


I do know about the Camaros weight. If I get the Camaro, it's going to be the six speed auto for Darlene. Will keep the Vette then. It's if I go over $40,000 that I'd have to sell something.:censored:


Hey, you are going to be there Saturday.....RIGHT?:judge:!

[BRUTAL64]

I'm hoping GM has a Grand Sport at the Anaheim show. I want a close look at it.:p

"The 2010 Chevrolet Corvette lineup gains a new model, the Grand Sport. Chevy's performance car comes as a coupe and convertible. Both body styles are available in Base and Grand Sport trim levels. Grand Sport replaces the Z51 option package and includes specific styling cues, suspension tuning, brakes, and transmission gearing. These models have a 430-hp 6.2-liter V8 engine. An optional "dual-mode" exhaust system increases horsepower to 436. Transmission choices include a 6-speed manual or 6-speed automatic. Chevy offers other high-performance Corvette models, the Z06 and ZR1, both available only as coupes. Z06 has a 505-hp 7.0-liter V8, 6-speed manual transmission, specific suspension tuning, tires, and brakes. ZR1 has a supercharged 638-hp 6.2-liter V8 engine and 6-speed manual transmission. ZR1 differs from other Corvettes by its unique suspension tuning and use of lightweight carbon fiber on the hood, roof panel, roof bow, front fascia splitter, and rocker moldings. All manual-transmission Corvette models incorporate GM's new Launch Control, which modulates engine speed in order to maximize grip during full-throttle launches. The ZR1 adds a "Performance Traction Management" system, which automatically adjusts the traction control and suspension to suit high-performance driving. Available safety features include ABS, traction control, antiskid system, and side airbags. Among the available features are a head-up display, navigation system, and wireless cell phone link"

[BRUTAL64]

"The Grand Sport adds a new dimension, essentially replacing the Corvette's previous Z51 package and bringing a greater degree of handling performance. Benefiting from wide-body styling, the Grand Sport also gets a Z06-style front splitter and rear spoiler, new brake ducts, and unique 18-inch wheels with 275mm tires up front and 19-inch wheels shod with 325mm rubber in the rear."


:pot_stir:

[BRUTAL64]

40 years ago I was new car shopping.

Here is what I was looking at then:

These were all new 1970 vehicles.

Boss 302- 4 spd ---this ended up the one I almost bought.
Dodge Charger 440 RT -Auto
Torino 429 Super Cobra Jet -Auto
Plymonth GTX -4spd with the slap stick ---test drove this one for 45 minutes
Mustang Mach 1 Super Cobra Jet -4sd
Cougar Eliminator -Auto
Cuda 440 6 Pack -Auto
Challenger 440 6 Pack -Auto


Quite the list.

I test drove everyone of them. :drink:

The Boss 302 was the best balanced of the bunch


You notice there are NO Chevys on the list.

Every new Chevy I drove were pigs back then.
I wish I would have driven a NEW 70 Z28 back then (didnt' come out until Feb 70). That would have changed my mind. It wasn't until 1984 that I discovered 2nd Gen F bodies. What great cars!!!!!!!:drink:

You notice no Hemis---back then we all knew the street Hemi could not get out of it's own way. It took someone that knew how to tune them to get them to run right. Few and far between.

There was MANY a Cobra Jet guy that kicked the Hemi's ass. SS/A 68 Mach 1s were in the the mid 11s back then. I saw and touched a white 68 Mach 1 and a 428 Cougar back then. The guy showed me his time slips---The Mustang was 11.33 and the Cougar was 11.77 running stock class.:)

The 440 6 Pack was almost as fast in the Quarter--this is the sleeper of the bunch. That motor could run.

[BRUTAL64]

The list now as it stands:

1)Camaro SS
2)Corvette Grand Sport
3)Mustang --- this could go to first if the Boss 302 turns out to be everything they claim it will be.
4)Raptor

:pot_stir:

[BRUTAL64]

As some of you know CI is going to start doing Mopars.
In an earlier post I talked about the 440 6 pack engine and what a runner it was. Here is the production total of 1970

1970

Total
Challenger R/T - 2 door hardtop 1640
Challenger R/T - Convertible 99
Challenger R/T SE - 2 door sports hardtop 296
Super Bee - 2 door coupe 196
Super Bee - 2 door hardtop 1072
Coronet R/T - 2 door hardtop 194
Coronet R/T - Convertible 16
Charger R/T - 2 door sports hardtop 116
'Cuda - 2 door hardtop 1755
'Cuda - Convertible 29
Road Runner - 2 door coupe 651
Road Runner - 2 door hardtop 1846
Road Runner - Convertible 34
Superbird - 2 door hardtop 716
GTX - 2 door hardtop 678
Sport Fury GT - 2 door hardtop ( 63 USA - 3 Canada ) 64


Total 1970 Production:

9402

The 440s and the Hemi came standard with TorqueFlite automatic. Ordering the four-speed brought a pistol-grip Hurst shifter and a Dana 60 axle. Gear ratios climbed from 3.23:1 to 4.10:1, with limited-slip an extra-cost item. All R/Ts got a beefed suspension, and 440 and Hemi cars got 15-inch 60-series tires, though such essentials as power steering and front disc brakes were optional.

The 1970 Dodge Challenger
R/T 440 Six Pack
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 110.0
Weight, lbs: 3,600
Number built: 2,035
Base price: $5,000

Standard Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 440
Fuel system: 3 x 2bbl.
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 390 @ 4700
Torque @ rpm: 490 @ 3200

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 6.2
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 13.7 @ 105

[BRUTAL64]

2010 Corvette Grand Sport Details

2010 Corvette Grand Sport The hottest topic on CorvetteBlog right now is the 2010 Corvette, and rightfully so. The specific interest has been in the 2010 Corvette Grand Sport. We have all the details you need about the hottest addition to the Corvette family.

Let's go over some of what we know. First of all, the Grand Sport will be available in both coupe and convertible, in every trim level (1LT, 2LT, 3LT, and 4LT). The most defining aspect of the Grand Sport has to be it's aggressive look and wider track than the current C6. It will have a unique fender design and the Grand Sport badge will appear in the cove. There will be a front splitter and tall rear spoiler.

The Grand Sport offers a Heritage package with fender hash mark stripes (4 stripe colors) and special two-tone seats with "Grand Sport" embroidery as an available option. Every exterior and interior color will be available to order.

Technically speaking, the Grand Sport will have functional brake ducts and additional cooling. It has larger 6-piston 14" front and 4-piston 13.4" rear brakes, both with silver painted calipers. The manual Coupe version will have a Z52 dry sump package with a rear battery.

Now a little bit about the wheels and tires. There will be three Grand Sport specific wheels: Silver, Competition Gray and Chrome. It will come with the wider sized Goodyear F1 supercar tires (275/35-18x9.5 and 325/30-19x12)

There are many benefits to the 2010 Corvette Grand Sport. First, there is a greater lateral acceleration. The standard is .92 g, the previous Z51 offered .98 g and the Grand Sport comes in at 1.0 g. It gains 0.2 seconds in the 0-60 test versus standard Corvettes (4.0 vs 4.2). All of this and even 26 mpg highway rating vs 24 mpg for Z06.

Overview

Models:
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Coupe and Convertible

Body styles / driveline:
two-door hatchback coupe with removable roof; rear-wheel drive (Coupe and Convertible)

Construction:
composite body panels, hydroformed steel frame with aluminum and magnesium structural and chassis components

Manufacturing location:
Bowling Green, Ky.

Engines
6.2L V-8 LS3

Displacement (cu in / cc):
376 / 6162

Bore & stroke (in / mm):
4.06 x 3.62 / 103.25 x 92

Block material:
cast aluminum

Cylinder head material:
cast aluminum

Valvetrain:
overhead valve, two valves per cylinder

Fuel delivery:
SFI (sequential fuel injection)

Compression ratio:
10.7:1

Horsepower
(hp / kW @ rpm):
430 / 321 @ 5900* w/ std. exhaust
436 / 325 @ 5900* w/ opt. exhaust

Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
424 / 575 @ 4600* w/ std. exhaust
428 / 580 @ 4600* w/ opt. exhaust

Recommended fuel:
premium recommended not required

EPA estimated fuel economy (city / hwy):
15 / 25 (automatic)
16 / 26 (manual)

Transmissions:
six-speed manual
six-speed paddle-shift automatic.

Gear ratios (:1)
First:
2.97std
4.03auto

Second:


2.07


2.36

Third:


1.43


1.53

Fourth:


1.00


1.15

Fifth:


0.71


0.85

Sixth:


0.56


0.67

Reverse:


3.28


3.06

Final drive ratio:
3.42


2.73

Chassis / Suspension

Front:
short/long arm ( SLA) double wishbone, cast aluminum upper & lower control arms, transverse-mounted composite leaf spring, monotube shock absorber

Rear:
short/long arm ( SLA) double wishbone, cast aluminum upper & lower control arms, transverse-mounted composite leaf spring, monotube shock absorber

Traction control:
electronic traction control; Active Handling

Brakes
Type:

front and rear power-assisted disc with ABS with six-piston front and four-piston rear calipers, cross-drilled rotors
Rotor diameter x thickness (in / mm):

front: 14 x 1.3 / 355 x 32
rear: 13.4 x 1 / 340 x 26
Brake swept area
(sq in / mm):

front: 309 / 1994
rear: 269 / 1735
Wheels & Tires



Wheel size:
front: 18-inch x 9.5-inch
rear: 19-inch x 12-inch

Tires:
front: P275/35ZR18
rear: P325/30ZR19

Dimensions

Wheelbase (in / mm):


105.7 / 2685

Overall length (in / mm):


175.6 / 4460
Overall width (in / mm):


75.9 / 1928

Overall height (in / mm):


48.7 / 1236

Curb weight (lb / kg):


3311 / 1502 (Grand Sport Coupe)
3289 / 1492 (Grand Sport Convertible)

Weight distribution
(% front / rear):


51 / 49

Interior


Seating capacity


2

Interior volume (cu ft / L):


52 / 1475
Headr oom (in / mm):


38 / 962
Legroom (in / mm):


43 / 1092

Shoulder room (in / mm):


55 / 1397

Hip room (in / mm):


54 / 1371

Capacities


Cargo volume
(cu ft / L):


Coupe: 22 / 634
Convertible: 11 / 295 (top up); 7.5 / 212 (top down)

Fuel tank (gal / L):


18 / 68.1

Engine oil (qt / L):


5.5 / 5.2 (automatic transmission)
10.5 / 9.9 (manual transmission)

* SAE certified.

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Fuel for the fire!!!!



2010 Roush Ford Mustang 427R - Specialty File
Roush tunes up the latest Mustang GT and hits some pretty awesome notes.

BY DAVID GLUCKMAN, PHOTOGRAPHY BY PATRICK M. HOEY AND JORDAN BROWN
October 2009

2010 Roush Ford Mustang 427R

Highs and Lows

Highs: More poise than any factory Mustang, power that complements rather than dominates, loud and awesome exhaust.

Lows: May only look good in black, window louvers should taken out back and shot.

Specifications

VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 2-door coupe

PRICE AS TESTED: 53,716 (base price: $47,296)

ENGINE TYPE: supercharged and intercooled SOHC 24-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection

Displacement: 281 cu in, 4606cc
Power (SAE net): 435 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 400 lb-ft @ 4250 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 5-speed manual

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 107.1 in Length: 188.0 in
Width: 73.8 in Height: 54.4 in
Curb weight: 3700 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 18.8 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 155 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g

FUEL ECONOMY:
C/D observed: 14 mpg


Subtlety. Some strive for it, while others light their hair on fire and run into traffic screaming. Consider the Roush 427R. At first ogle, it’s nearly indiscernible from a standard-issue Ford Mustang GT, especially finished with black paint and flat-black decals, as was ours. But turn the key and this Mustang does its best impression of one of Jack Roush’s NASCAR sleds. The noise is intoxicating. We were addicted. The throaty, hairy-chested exhaust (a $710 option you can’t afford to skip) changes the entire character of this pony car when you get on the gas, and counterbalancing subtle aesthetic mods to help the Roush strike a balance between hey-look-at-me and I’m-just-an-average-Mustang.

World’s Greatest Mustang GT

To be fair, the rest of Roush’s upgrades have a positive effect on the already improved-for-2010 Mustang GT, too, and they all work to improve the car’s characteristics in a balanced, even way. The 4.6-liter V-8 gets new breathing equipment, a supercharger, and a reprogrammed computer that yield 435 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque, increases of 120 and 75, respectively, compared to the stock GT. (The 427 in the name is for nostalgic purposes, as the car’s output is now undersold by the decals on its flanks and the V-8 doesn’t displace 427 cubic inches.) A suspension package goes beyond that of Ford’s Track pack and includes new front struts, different rear shocks, and new springs and anti-roll bars at both ends.

Then there are the details: a darkened pony logo nestled in the grille. A body kit that includes new front and rear fascias, a front splitter, side skirts, and a wing on the rear deck. Interior touches like aluminum pedals and our tester’s Jack Roush–besignatured seats. None of this is too much, but we could certainly do without the window louvers and a boost gauge that glorious sound the thing makes? Yep, we’re still addicted.

Obvious-Comparison Time: What of the GT500?

For about the same price as this tricked-out GT, Ford will sell you its in-house-massaged Shelby GT500, which now boasts 540 hp and 510 lb-ft of torque from its supercharged 5.4-liter V-8. It’s an easy choice, right? Not so fast. In adding horses, the Shelby also adds more than 300 pounds over its front axle compared to the Track pack Mustang GT. The Roush adds 105.

Yes, the 427R is at a power deficit, but what’s there is ample. Blasts to 60 take 4.7 seconds, two-tenths longer than with the GT500, and the quarter is traveled in 13 flat at 111, three-tenths and 4 mph off of the Shelby’s pace. Shifts in our 427R were accomplished by the regular GT’s five-speed manual, and the optional short-throw shifter makes the distances between ratios feel toggle-switch tight, minimizing the downtime between raucous exhaust honks. Skidpad grip of 0.94 g edges out both the Track-packed GT (0.92) and Shelby GT500 (0.91). The handling is the best we’ve experienced in a 2010 Mustang, and the reworked suspension gives the Roush a planted feel where the GT500 is a bit too spongy. Seventy-to-zero-mph braking performance is also better with the Roush—155 feet versus the Shelby’s 165.

(All of that said, Roush will build you a Stage 3 Mustang with GT500 output for a package price of over $28K, double that of the 427R’s. But we can’t see needing to spend more when the 427R feels, sounds, and looks as good as it does.)

The Sound of Unsilence

This Mustang got plenty of looks of admiration from spectators who first heard, then saw, the all-black stallion. At the same time, it drew some disapproving looks from fellow motorists and pedestrians who seemed to assume by its tone that the Roush must be up to no good, and doing so quickly. (We weren’t always flooring it; it’s loud at times even when you’re trying to crawl through traffic.) This author would like to apologize to his neighbors—let’s say those within a one-mile radius—for any late-night arrivals or early-morning departures.

The basic 427R package includes the modified powertrain and most of the looks for $15,056 on top of a Mustang GT Premium with California emissions and a 3.55:1 rear axle ratio ($32,240). You can, of course, add things to the base Mustang—like the newly available nav system—and then pile on the options from Roush. Our tester’s Roush options amounted to an extra $6420 on the tab, but we’d happily knock that total down to just $1120 for the short-throw shifter with black knob ($410) and God-sent exhaust ($710). Our car also had a $1450 brake kit that includes slotted rotors and some caliper paint, but we’d probably opt to move up to the $2877 big brake kit (14-inch front rotors and four-piston calipers). So after scrapping the unnecessaries and adding the bigger brakes, our personal 427R would ring in at $51,293. GT500 territory, yes, but this is a far more balanced package.

Building on what many of us believe to be the best Mustang ever, this Roush is the choice for those who want a well-rounded Stang that combines extra power with decent handling. It may not carry the flash of the Shelby, or for that matter a Camaro, but people will certainly hear you coming, and you’ll even be able to have fun when the road goes curvy.

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Now that I've seen the cars in question up close, I'm just as unsure as before.:crutches:
Here Darlene's order though.

1) Roush 427R
2) Camaro Bubblebee

But, she sat in the GRAND SPORT for a long time. :boggled:

I was impressed with the Audi's I looked at. The BMWs disappointed. Lexus was impressive.


The Miata could have made her list, but I couldn't fit in it.:p:leaving:

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Damn, Ben now I feel bad you took the posts off. You still had something worth saying, just wasn't fond of that picture. :o