Car you'd like to see the Big 3 make.

[SeanPlunk]

Pretending for a second that all of the domestic auto makers weren't in serious trouble, CAFE standards weren't kicking in, and you could use any announced platform or engine, list some cars you'd like to see Detroid build. I'll start with some from Ford since I only have time for one man. so far:


Ford:

Ford Mustang Cobra:
A true new Ford Mustang Cobra (not a Shelby). The Cobra would come with the new aluminum 6.2L OHC V8 (Boss Engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Boss_engine)), a 6-speed manual and a beefed up IRS. Power would be 450hp/450tq. The Cobra would have suspension set up for road racing. Because of the NA/aluminum engine, weight would be reduced down to 3350lbs (hey, I can dream can't I?).

Ford Mustang SVO:
A 2011 Mustang with the 3.5L TT V6 Ecoboost Engine. Stock power would be 340hp/340tq. Power would go through a 6-speed automatic to a Mustang GT 8.8 inch rearend with the 3.73 gear upgrade. This could be an awesome sleeper car. Kind of like a modern day Grand National.
http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/Mustang_V6.jpg

Ford Fusion SVT:
A 2011 Ford Fusion also with the Twin Turbo V6 Ecoboost Engine. AWD, a modified suspension and a 6-speed auto or manual would round out the package.
http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/2010_Ford_Fusion.jpg

Ford Taurus SHO:
The new Taurus with, you guessed it, with a TT V6, 6speed automatic and AWD.
http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/2010_Ford_Taurus.jpg

[Vettezuki]

I actually think their offerings on the whole are quite good from a mechanical and value perspective. I'd like to see:

Euro Spec Focus. Why we get the gimped version I don't know.

Style redesign to the Cobalt SS. What a fantastic car, that completely looks blaaaahh.

The Volt with design elements closer to the show car. The production version went way towards frumpy yuck.

[BRUTAL64]

Wrote this before:

But, this is what I want. A vehicle that runs mid 12s, corners at 1.25 gees and stops at 3 gees. Gets 28 miles to the gallon, weighs under 3,000 lbs and is under $15,000. :judge:

[Vettezuki]

Wrote this before:

But, this is what I want. A vehicle that runs mid 12s, corners at 1.25 gees and stops at 3 gees. Gets 28 miles to the gallon, weighs under 3,000 lbs and is under $15,000. :judge:

That ain't gonna fly on any announced platform.

[SeanPlunk]

Wrote this before:

But, this is what I want. A vehicle that runs mid 12s, corners at 1.25 gees and stops at 3 gees. Gets 28 miles to the gallon, weighs under 3,000 lbs and is under $15,000. :judge:

You could probably build a shifter cart for that price that could do all that :bigthumbsup:

[Vettezuki]

Wrote this before:

But, this is what I want. A vehicle that runs mid 12s, corners at 1.25 gees and stops at 3 gees. Gets 28 miles to the gallon, weighs under 3,000 lbs and is under $15,000. :judge:

Actually, this sounds like a great challenge for Motorgen project car:pot_stir:

[enkeivette]

Hate to break your balls Sean, but an aluminum block and a lack of a supercharger wouldn't save you 500lbs. Even an iron BB (around 675) is only about 200lbs over an aluminum SB (450, closer to 500 loaded up and wet). And blowers are not that heavy. I'm sure they could get it down there though.

BTW, doesn't Ford currently make a Cobra???

I'd like to see Chevrolet come out with a new Cheetah. I imagine it looking sort of like the Shelby GR1. Available with either the base 400hp LS engine or the siamesed 500hp LS engine. And of course they would have to make a few with the blown LS9 engine for guys like Leno.

http://i38.tinypic.com/33e0wv4.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/500/Shelby_GR1.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

Hate to break your balls Sean, but an aluminum block and a lack of a supercharger wouldn't save you 500lbs. Even an iron BB (around 675) is only about 200lbs over an aluminum SB (450, closer to 500 loaded up and wet). And blowers are not that heavy. I'm sure they could get it down there though.

BTW, doesn't Ford currently make a Cobra???

I'd like to see Chevrolet come out with a new Cheetah. I imagine it looking sort of like the Shelby GR1. Available with either the base 400hp LS engine or the siamesed 500hp LS engine. And of course they would have to make a few with the blown LS9 engine for guys like Leno.

http://i38.tinypic.com/33e0wv4.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/500/Shelby_GR1.jpg

I know, I figure realistically the least it would weigh is probably 3450lbs. My Cobra weighs 3660, so between losing the blower, intercooler, etc, I'm sure they could lose 200ish lbs. They do make the Shelby GT500, but it's not a Cobra. It's not even really an SVT vehicle. It does have a Cobra on it, but it's kind of a different thing.

[SeanPlunk]

GM:

Buick Grand National:
It would be built off the Camaro platform. It would have a single variable turbo (a bigger version of the one off the Sky Redline) version of the direct injected 3.6L V6, a 6 speed auto, and the IRS out of the new Camaro. It would come only in Black :bigthumbsup:

GMC Syclone and Typhoon:
Built off a modified version of the Canyon (small truck) Platform. These would also come with a single turbo direct injected 3.6L V6, 6-speed auto, but with a solid rear axle. AWD would be standard :judge:

Chevrolet Impala:
A proper V8, RWD Impala. This would be built off of the Pontiac G8 platform. Engine would be the LS3 with the buyers choice of a 6 speed auto or manual transmission.

Camaro Z28:
A Camaro wtih the LS-A supercharged motor out of the Cadillac CTS-V. Standard horsepower would be 550. Available with either a 6-speed manual or 6-speed paddle shifted auto.

[Vettezuki]

. . .
http://i38.tinypic.com/33e0wv4.jpg
. . .


I don't know anything about the Cheetah. I was thinking of doing something like that with my ligts in the Vette. Then I think about how much work it would be and think about something else.

[heypal]

GM:


GMC Syclone and Typhoon:
Built off a modified version of the Canyon (small truck) Platform. These would also come with a single turbo direct injected 3.6L V6, 6-speed auto, but with a solid rear axle. AWD would be standard :judge:

Chevrolet Impala:
A proper V8, RWD Impala. This would be built off of the Pontiac G8 platform. Engine would be the LS3 with the buyers choice of a 6 speed auto or manual transmission.


I've actually been saying that for awhile. And screw you fwd is where it is at bro. Heck yeah. God I would get rid of this Impala for a typhoon or rwd ls3 Impala in a heart beat.

[SeanPlunk]

I've actually been saying that for awhile. And screw you fwd is where it is at bro. Heck yeah. God I would get rid of this Impala for a typhoon or rwd ls3 Impala in a heart beat.

Yeah, a typhoon would be awesome :hail:

[Leedom]

I would like to see Ford make the Lightning Bolt. They may not need a big engine but a supercharged 4.0L like the V6 or if you could fit it, a supercharged 4.6L, hey if it fits in the stang why not a truck? That might be fun. Smaller and more nimble than a Lighntning but ballsy enought to shred some pavement. Maybe even make it AWD.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/pickup/8498862+pheader/163_0406_01l+2004_ford_svt_lightning_bolt_ranger_p rototype+front_left_view.jpg

[Vettezuki]

I would like to see Ford make the Lightning Bolt. They may not need a big engine but a supercharged 4.0L like the V6 or if you could fit it, a supercharged 4.6L, hey if it fits in the stang why not a truck? That might be fun. Smaller and more nimble than a Lighntning but ballsy enought to shred some pavement. Maybe even make it AWD.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/pickup/8498862+pheader/163_0406_01l+2004_ford_svt_lightning_bolt_ranger_p rototype+front_left_view.jpg

You mean a Ford Cyclone. . . .:smack:

[enkeivette]

I don't know anything about the Cheetah. I was thinking of doing something like that with my ligts in the Vette. Then I think about how much work it would be and think about something else.

One of the only two front mid engine cars ever built. (The other being the RX7)

It was Chevrolets response to the Shelby Cobra. SBC pushed so far back that the trans yoke was connected directly to the diff, no driveshaft. They made, I think less than 20 of these and the factory burned down.

If you ever see one, it will almost definitelty be a replica.

[Vettezuki]

One of the only two front mid engine cars ever built. (The other being the RX7)

It was Chevrolets response to the Shelby Cobra. SBC pushed so far back that the trans yoke was connected directly to the diff, no driveshaft. They made, I think less than 20 of these and the factory burned down.

If you ever see one, it will almost definitelty be a replica.

Uh, what defines front mid engine for you? Technically it only means between front and rear axle. Go take a look at your Vette's engine location . . .

Mass centralization and relation to pivotal moment of inertia is a different story.

[enkeivette]

Uh, what defines front mid engine for you? Technically it only means between front and rear axle. Go take a look at your Vette's engine location . . .

Mass centralization and relation to pivotal moment of inertia is a different story.

Que?

I wasn't defining it, just passing along what I've read. And my Vette doesn't have a front axle, so what does that prove? A HA!

[BRUTAL64]

Actually, this sounds like a great challenge for Motorgen project car:pot_stir:


Never said WHO should build it, just that's what I'd like to see. It is doable.:pot_stir:


We have the minds to build it, just who will step up?:p

[BRUTAL64]

One of the only two front mid engine cars ever built. (The other being the RX7)

It was Chevrolets response to the Shelby Cobra. SBC pushed so far back that the trans yoke was connected directly to the diff, no driveshaft. They made, I think less than 20 of these and the factory burned down.

If you ever see one, it will almost definitelty be a replica.

Actually, Chevy's first reponse to the Cobra was the lightweight Grand Sport.
Duntov actually did it behind the GM big wigs backs.;)

[BRUTAL64]

Que?

I wasn't defining it, just passing along what I've read. And my Vette doesn't have a front axle, so what does that prove? A HA!

Our Vette's engine sits behind the "K" member which make it a "TRUE" mid engine.:leaving:

[enkeivette]

Our Vette's engine sits behind the "K" member which make it a "TRUE" mid engine.:leaving:

I sit corrected. :beer:

[SeanPlunk]

From Ford for the off road crew:

http://www.drivesuv.com/images/FordBroncoConcept.jpg
http://www.americancarimports.com/stock/detailedInfo/FordBroncoConcept-2.jpg

I'm thinking solid axles, and the small diesel coming out in the F150 would work :bigthumbsup:

[SeanPlunk]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/08fpv_f6_sedan-(12)_opt.jpg

Ford Falcon XR6 - Turbo Inline 6 that's good for low 13's in the quarter at about 108mph stock.

[SeanPlunk]

http://blogs.cars.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/25/2008sporttrac500.jpg

Ford Sporttrac Adrenaline Concept. It was going to come out with the 4.6 DOHC Blown Cobra Motor and AWD. It would have been sweet :hail:

[enkeivette]

What's with all the Ford cars Sean? Don't be a hater, let's see some diversity.

[st-evo-9*corn fed-8urvet*]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/08fpv_f6_sedan-(12)_opt.jpg

Ford Falcon XR6 - Turbo Inline 6 that's good for low 13's in the quarter at about 108mph stock.

holy bat turds thats looks bad ass id love to play with this especially if its rwd or awd <3

[SeanPlunk]

What's with all the Ford cars Sean? Don't be a hater, let's see some diversity.

Okay, I always kind of liked this Hummer concept vehicle:

http://www.tuningnews.net/news/080109c/hummer-hx-concept.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto-shows/hummer-hx-concept-details-released-early/8128872+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/hummer-hx-concept-side-view.jpg

I think either the LS3 or the small duramax diesel (4.4L) would be perfect for this.

[SeanPlunk]

holy bat turds thats looks bad ass id love to play with this especially if its rwd or awd <3

It's RWD, and it would be sick :bigthumbsup:

[SeanPlunk]

Here is a pick of the Grand National Concept Popular Hotrodding did a couple years back. I don't think it's aggressive enough but would be an okay start:

http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0510phr_spread_z.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

Somebody did this as a Chevelle Concept and I always thought it was cool looking. You could basically just copy the drivetrains out of the Camaro. I'd probably slap a Pontiac front end on it though and call it a GTO so it wouldn't be such a direct competitor for the Camaro.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/revitalization/chevroletria/images/chevrolet/detail_chevelleconcept.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

The Jeep Hurricane. It's an awesome concept, although I'd probably ditch the dual Hemi's and pop in the diesel from the Jeep Liberty instead :thumbs_up:

http://www.diseno-art.com/images_2/jeep_hurricane_low.jpg
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/jeep_hurricane_round.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

Holden Commodore HSV LS7 (GM)

Original Australian version of the Pontiac G8. This one comes with the 505hp LS7. I'd love to see this come over to our shores :D

http://www.drivearabia.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2009-holden-commodore-hsv.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

I'm having a lot of fun with this thread, LOL :sm_laughing:

[enkeivette]

Nice finds Sean. I dig the GN. If they got rid of that Supra front bumper in favor of a GTO style bumper, I'd be all about it.

That Chevelle is pretty badass too. A world apart from the one that Aloha motors came out with. It sort of looks like a pissed off Camaro.

[Vettezuki]

I'm having a lot of fun with this thread, LOL :sm_laughing:

Yes you are. The neat part is that while these are cool and fun to us, almost none of them have the mark of a real power house money maker for the coming automotive era, or least as far as I can tell.

[Vettezuki]

Here is a pick of the Grand National Concept Popular Hotrodding did a couple years back. I don't think it's aggressive enough but would be an okay start:

http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0510phr_spread_z.jpg

Dude, that's bad ass. Looks like an Americanized Maserati.

[SeanPlunk]

Yes you are. The neat part is that while these are cool and fun to us, almost none of them have the mark of a real power house money maker for the coming automotive era, or least as far as I can tell.

Yeah, clearly these would not be huge mainstream successes per se. Realistically cars like the Malibu, Fusion, and the forthcoming new Focus and Cruze (the replacement for the Cobalt) are much more important. Those are the Camry/Accord and Corolla/Civic competitors that GM and Ford need to keep themselves alive. Here is a picture of the Cruze, I like it better than the Cobalt.

http://www.trendite.net/wp-content/chevy_cruze_2011.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

The Dodge Demon. I always thought it was an interesting car. The only problem is that Dodge doesn't have a small rear wheel drive platform to build it off of. But if you put the turbocharged 285hp 2.4L 4cyl out of the SRT4 into the Demon with RWD, it would be pretty fun. It could be Dodge's version of the Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Redline.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/bizcovering/2007/07/17/42899_3.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

This has nothing to do with the original topic but I found this McLaren F1 successor concept and it's badass :bigthumbsup:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Di1HzTLtBlM/R6nZDa7TioI/AAAAAAAAC3k/3VqCMH0tQwI/s400/McLaren_Concept3_400x215.jpg

[Vettezuki]

Yeah, clearly these would not be huge mainstream successes per se. Realistically cars like the Malibu, Fusion, and the forthcoming new Focus and Cruze (the replacement for the Cobalt) are much more important. Those are the Camry/Accord and Corolla/Civic competitors that GM and Ford need to keep themselves alive. Here is a picture of the Cruze, I like it better than the Cobalt.

http://www.trendite.net/wp-content/chevy_cruze_2011.jpg

Me too. The Cobalt always bummed me out cuz the engineers did great work and the designers took the A train to snore town. The Fusion is already getting a little long in the tooth, and is made in Mexico. I'm all for Americans making American cars. This is getting complicated because some cars like the Honda Pilot are completely American designed and built, they pretty much just have an H on the steering wheel. Behold the coming era of global corporate feudalism.

[Vettezuki]

This has nothing to do with the original topic but I found this McLaren F1 successor concept and it's badass :bigthumbsup:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Di1HzTLtBlM/R6nZDa7TioI/AAAAAAAAC3k/3VqCMH0tQwI/s400/McLaren_Concept3_400x215.jpg

That's wikid bad. Get some focus.

[enkeivette]

The Dodge Demon. I always thought it was an interesting car. The only problem is that Dodge doesn't have a small rear wheel drive platform to build it off of. But if you put the turbocharged 285hp 2.4L 4cyl out of the SRT4 into the Demon with RWD, it would be pretty fun. It could be Dodge's version of the Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Redline.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/bizcovering/2007/07/17/42899_3.jpg

I didn't know that Dodge was thinking about making an S2000.