New car Camaro/Mustang

[BRUTAL64]

Darlene needs a car. So, we've been checking things out now that she is working.

She wants a Camaro in the worst way. I'm not totally sold on the vehicle. I don't like what I've been reading on how it handles or it's weight. GM taking our money has me thinking twice also.

I'd prefer the Mustang but I feel it's underpowered and it's gas mileage is not even as good as the Camaro SS2.

So tonight we are going over to Connell Chevy- maybe test drive one.

If I get to drive one I'll let you know what I think. Having drove a 69 SS 350 Camaro brand new- should be interesting.


BTW; When I drove that 69 Camaro---I said to myself; "What a fucking pig.":barf:

I'm afraid that GM might have screwed the new one up also.:bang:


Here's the pricing I've been looking at Camaro-----SS1 or SS2 $34,000 to 38,000
Mustang-----GT $31,000 to 35,000

[Damian]

I thought they werent letting people test drive the SS??

[SeanPlunk]

Well, I think the Mustang is the better daily driver, but it is indeed underpowered. You could wait for the 5.0 DOHC 400hp Mustang GT to take care of that problem, but then you'd be waiting until probably May or June of next year. The only other option for the Mustang would be to wait until Ford announces the 2011 engines and then try to get a smoking deal on a 2010. If you could get a leftover 2010 in the high 20's, you could get the factory installed supercharger and still be out the door for under 35k. That would also take care of the power problem.

The Camaro is a great car but I think you're going to have a hard time finding one that isn't optioned out to at least 35k+.

The only other option is a Pontiac G8. It's a 4-door obviously, but you can get one for under 30k and it is RWD and V8. It runs on 87octane and is easily modded.

[SeanPlunk]

I guess the Ford Racing supercharger kit (you get to keep your warranty) is about $5995. It's a little expensive in my opinion, but if you can pick up a leftover 2010 for say 27, then for 33k you could have a very nice car ;)

[Leedom]

I guess the Ford Racing supercharger kit (you get to keep your warranty) is about $5995. It's a little expensive in my opinion, but if you can pick up a leftover 2010 for say 27, then for 33k you could have a very nice car ;)

:iagree: but then again I am a little bias.

[Chate]

0-60 on the GT is only 0.1s slower than the camaroSS and 0.5 sec difference in the 1/4 according to the almighty youtube...plus dealer markup and douchebaggary on the SS is a major turnoff :(

YouTube - 2010 Chevy Camaro SS vs. 2010 Ford Mustang GT, 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T - Car and Driver

but I dislike GM now too so, I too am biased.

[Chate]

ooh i like that, i just posted a link and it was automatically embedded into my post!! :)

[BRUTAL64]

Yep, they wouldn't let us test drive the SS. Darlene is picking up the order form for the Camaro today. They had a 3,000 dollar mark up on the SS. No markup on an ordered vehicle. So it looks to be about 35,000 to 38,000. Darlene is thinking Transformers option. I'm not against it. Well see what we end up with.

Went to a FORD lot and they had TWO GT 500s. Stickers were 48,000 to 50,000 with markup they were around 80,000.:judge:

BUT-- in the back they had TW0 PJ BOSS 302s, two OLDER GT 500s and....................................ROUSH 427--$45,000 with 12,000 miles. Darlene really liked that car.:bigthumbsup:

[SeanPlunk]

Yep, they wouldn't let us test drive the SS. Darlene is picking up the order form for the Camaro today. They had a 3,000 dollar mark up on the SS. No markup on an ordered vehicle. So it looks to be about 35,000 to 38,000. Darlene is thinking Transformers option. I'm not against it. Well see what we end up with.

Went to a FORD lot and they had TWO GT 500s. Stickers were 48,000 to 50,000 with markup they were around 80,000.:judge:

BUT-- in the back they had TW0 PJ BOSS 302s, two OLDER GT 500s and....................................ROUSH 427--$45,000 with 12,000 miles. Darlene really liked that car.:bigthumbsup:

If you're going to order, hit up Mike Luna or Robb Rock at Camino Real Chevrolet. Most of the Camaro5 guys have been dealing with them and have been happy with the experience :bigthumbsup:

[BRUTAL64]

If you're going to order, hit up Mike Luna or Robb Rock at Camino Real Chevrolet. Most of the Camaro5 guys have been dealing with them and have been happy with the experience :bigthumbsup:

We actually have a really good guy named COWBOY/Monte. He is not bad and VERY easy to work with. BUT, it never hurts to talk to other people.

They only want $500 to place order---it's the price when you pick up the SS that hurts.

[Damian]

Yep, they wouldn't let us test drive the SS. Darlene is picking up the order form for the Camaro today. They had a 3,000 dollar mark up on the SS. No markup on an ordered vehicle. So it looks to be about 35,000 to 38,000. Darlene is thinking Transformers option. I'm not against it. Well see what we end up with.

Went to a FORD lot and they had TWO GT 500s. Stickers were 48,000 to 50,000 with markup they were around 80,000.:judge:

BUT-- in the back they had TW0 PJ BOSS 302s, two OLDER GT 500s and....................................ROUSH 427--$45,000 with 12,000 miles. Darlene really liked that car.:bigthumbsup:

I could never drive a car I couldnt test drive first.

[SeanPlunk]

I could never drive a car I couldnt test drive first.

I agree - it's lame they wouldn't let you drive it. The Camaro is an awesome car though - I don't think you can go wrong.

[Leedom]

Glen you have some work to do. Get Darlene to buy a 2010 Stang. They get better gas mileage and are tamer for the driver. Besides I need to drive one and see the difference in mine and the new one.

[SeanPlunk]

Glen you have some work to do. Get Darlene to buy a 2010 Stang. They get better gas mileage and are tamer for the driver. Besides I need to drive one and see the difference in mine and the new one.

I'd buy a new SS before I'd buy a 2010 Mustang to be honest..

[BRUTAL64]

Thanks for the help here guys. Darlene, after riding in the SS, is still torn between the 08 427r and the SS. So we are going to get the Raptor.:rolling::rolling::rolling:

[SeanPlunk]

Thanks for the help here guys. Darlene, after riding in the SS, is still torn between the 08 427r and the SS. So we are going to get the Raptor.:rolling::rolling::rolling:

What? Are you serious? That would be SOOOOO awesome.

Raptor FTW :D

[BRUTAL64]

What? Are you serious? That would be SOOOOO awesome.

Raptor FTW :D

We need to get her something she can drive. The Raptor just might be too much vehicle.:p

[linkwpc]

I have been a ford fan for 10 years (I still own a 2000 Mustang) but now I own a 2010 camaro SS and I love it! I was never a GM kind of guy but once I saw this car I had to have it! I got my car at MSRP and my buying experience was great! It took 4 months to get the car after ordering but I love my car.

I was thinking a little about 2010 mustang, but….. the Camaro looks so much better IMO.

I think the 2010 mustangs are very nice cars but just underpowered and for the money I can get more with the Camaro (looks and power). Plus I have seen lots of 2010 mustang all over the place and they do not look anything special... To dated still have not seen a random 2010 camaro when I'm in my camaro. The looks are just so much better IMO! I get sooo many looks in my car! It’s odd but fun!

I’m still not a full GM fan, but I know I’m a Camaro fan now!

[BRUTAL64]

I have been a ford fan for 10 years (I still own a 2000 Mustang) but now I own a 2010 camaro SS and I love it! I was never a GM kind of guy but once I saw this car I had to have it! I got my car at MSRP and my buying experience was great! It took 4 months to get the car after ordering but I love my car.

I was thinking a little about 2010 mustang, but….. the Camaro looks so much better IMO.

I think the 2010 mustangs are very nice cars but just underpowered and for the money I can get more with the Camaro (looks and power). Plus I have seen lots of 2010 mustang all over the place and they do not look anything special... To dated still have not seen a random 2010 camaro when I'm in my camaro. The looks are just so much better IMO! I get sooo many looks in my car! It’s odd but fun!

I’m still not a full GM fan, but I know I’m a Camaro fan now!

I am a BIG FORD fan. The 2010 Mustangs are under powered. But, the 08 ROUSH 427 Supercharged 436 hp Mustang might be too much for her. The 427R is used and has 12,000 miles and the asking price is $45.000.

The 2010 Camaro SS2 is around 38,000 is brand new and she gets her Transformer package (we will order it). She loved the SS but feels more comfortable in the Mustang. So it's a toss up so far for her.
Me. I already know what we should get.

Maybe the Raptor is better.:huh:

The 427R will hold it's value better and is very rare.

The Camaro will be ordered as we want and is BRAND NEW.

Still need to drive a Camaro. This is a must!!!!!!!


Remember GM took money from us and FORD did not.

So:huh:

[BRUTAL64]

Glen you have some work to do. Get Darlene to buy a 2010 Stang. They get better gas mileage and are tamer for the driver. Besides I need to drive one and see the difference in mine and the new one.

Leedom, could you give me your HONEST thoughts on the Camaro?

Yes, just your HONEST thoughs. You are as big a FORD guy as I am but....the Camaro has some very good points and TWO very bad points.:drink:

[linkwpc]

Remember GM took money from us and FORD did not.

So:huh:

For me, I do not care about they took money or not. I just love the car. Its very good car! You would be happy with it.

[BRUTAL64]

For me, I do not care about they took money or not. I just love the car. Its very good car! You would be happy with it.

I've NEVER doubted it is a great vehicle. I'm, actually, leaning that way. The issue is 5'4" Darlene. She needs to be comfortable with the vehicle. On just that point the 427R has the Camaro beat ( for Darlene anyway).

The more I see and sit in the Camaro the better I like it. I'm a FORD guy since I was born (many many moons ago). I drove a brand new 69 SS 350 in 69 and it was a pig. I drove a 69 Z28 and was disappointed. I drove a brand new 70 Boss 302 was was very impressed. I've owned a 66 Shelby GT 350. Loved that car! Road in a 65 AC Cobra 289 factory dual quad car and was ruined for any other vehicle. That Cobra was the high point of any vehicle I've ridden in!

But through all the cars I've owned I kept the 64 Vette. So... the point; who the HELL knows????????:drink:

When you pay 40,000 or over you try to get it right the first time.


As far as the issue of GM taking our money--yes that is important to me. It is not to Darlene.... But, SEX is important to me. So......:p

[SeanPlunk]

Honest Opinion:

Given the choice between a new Camaro SS or a used Roush, I'd take the new Camaro. Next year with the Mustang getting a much needed power bump my opinion would probably change. I think the Mustang is an easier daily driver with better sight lines and a more user friendly interior.

If I had the cash right now though and had to buy something before the end of the year I would buy a Camaro SS - no question about it.

[BRUTAL64]

Honest Opinion:

Given the choice between a new Camaro SS or a used Roush, I'd take the new Camaro. Next year with the Mustang getting a much needed power bump my opinion would probably change. I think the Mustang is an easier daily driver with better sight lines and a more user friendly interior.

If I had the cash right now though and had to buy something before the end of the year I would buy a Camaro SS - no question about it.

Thanks Sean, my thinking so far is the same as yours.:drink:

When you ran the "Yellow" Saturday night, I stopped thinking you would also. That's OK, I'll get you later sometime.:smack:

[BRUTAL64]

Did some research on the 2008 ROUSH 427R;

It runs about 12.50s in the quarter
There were only about 200 to be built---this is pre-production number
They are selling 45,000 back down to 39,000 at this time.


The 5 speed Automatic is a very strong trans.


All the road tests gave it rave reviews. All liked it very much.


Any one got $80,000 so I can get the GT 500 and be done with this--I will pay you back.


Damn this just makes it harder.:laugh:

[BRUTAL64]

Here is some info;

Fast and Rare: 2008 Roush Mustang 428R
September 24, 2007

It seems the world is full of performance-tuned Mustangs these days. True, Ford's fifth-generation Mustang has revitalized the model with much of the same enthusiasm that the original car has been receiving for the past 40-odd years, but nevertheless, to get any attention in the hopped-up Mustang game today, you've got to have something significant.


Enter Roush's new 428R.

Roush is no stranger to building a mean Mustang. Having been in the business for 12 years and still riding high on their most successful model ever, the 427R, Roush has decided the time is right to follow up with a limited-production model; a car for the true enthusiast. And that's exactly where the 428R comes into play.

Each 428R will be pumping out a heady 435 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque - that's 8 more horses and 9 more lb-ft than the 427R. Under the hood, a chrome powerdercoated Roushcharger can be found, and billet radiator, oil, intercooler, and strut tower caps are all thrown in for good measure. A performance exhaust system not only frees up the last few horses, but also ensures the 428R has the bark to back up its bite. A five-speed manual or automatic transmission sends the power to the rear wheels.

When the road gets twisty, Roush has the 428R covered there as well. Nearly the entire suspension has been revamped with the addition of firmer shocks, springs, and sway bars both front and rear. Jounce bumpers and anti-wheel hop kits have also been fitted, while 18-inch Roush wheels with high-performance tires are included as standard.

Cosmetically, there's no mistaking the 428R for anything that comes straight out of the Ford factory. A redesigned front fascia and chin spoiler, gaping hood scoop, and rear lip spoiler all suggest this is no ordinary 'Stang. Of course, the special Roush decals, hood pins, and black high-flow grille are present to lay the last bit of doubt to rest. Inside the 428R, a Roush leather sports steering wheel, short throw shifter with retro ball knob, and white electroluminescent gauge panel finish off the car's aggressive image.

All Roush 428Rs will be 2008 models and will hit showrooms beginning this October. Of course, only 200 will be built. Word to the wise: If you want one, get it quick.

[BRUTAL64]

http://www.webridestv.com/showvideo.aspx?video=29470

Boys and Girls watch this.:pot_stir:

[BRUTAL64]

I want input here people. It doesn't matter what, just want honest thoughts here.

I'll make up my own mind about what I'll do, but you guys (sometimes) see something I don't or have information I don't have. :drink:

[SeanPlunk]

I want input here people. It doesn't matter what, just want honest thoughts here.

I'll make up my own mind about what I'll do, but you guys (sometimes) see something I don't or have information I don't have. :drink:

The Roush is a fantastic car. It doesn't run quite as fast as you quoted though. I've read of real world 1/4 mile runs of between 12.8 to 13.1. I have also heard it handles wonderfully and it's obviously an eye catcher.

The Camaro is also fantastic. I've seen L99 cars putting down around 318 to 330ish rwhp (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36676&highlight=l99+dyno). According to this list (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013) - the fastest stock L99 car is running high 12's at 108mph.

I don't know dude - I think it's a coinflip. It's total preference because both cars are great.

[BRUTAL64]

The Roush is a fantastic car. It doesn't run quite as fast as you quoted though. I've read of real world 1/4 mile runs of between 12.8 to 13.1. I have also heard it handles wonderfully and it's obviously an eye catcher.

The Camaro is also fantastic. I've seen L99 cars putting down around 318 to 330ish rwhp (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36676&highlight=l99+dyno). According to this list (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013) - the fastest stock L99 car is running high 12's at 108mph.

I don't know dude - I think it's a coinflip. It's total preference because both cars are great.

Thanks Sean. Pretty much what I was thinking. So I'm perfect as usual.:thumbs_up:

[BRUTAL64]

It's an unforgettable grinding whine. Sort of like a puma's growl before it pounces, but more menacing, higher pitched and just evil. And it comes when this 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS by Vortech Engineering starts up and its 6.2-liter V8 settles into an idle. Nothing sounds quite like a Vortech centrifugal supercharger.

In this case it's the same V-3 Si-Trim blower from Vortech Engineering that had been bolted into the Speedfactory supercharged Dodge Challenger SRT8 that we drove last January. Some people would want to pull out their molars if they had to listen to the persistent scream of a centrifugal supercharger. Others would record the sound and put it on their iPod. Either way, it's a distinctive, intimidating sound, so different from a turbocharger or even a Roots-type supercharger. Bolt a Vortech supercharger up to any car's engine, and the well-educated world knows what's under the hood even before it's opened.

So we have the Vortech supercharger here, and it's working with the 6.2-liter V8 of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS. We're expecting the sort of performance that flattens eyeballs, cracks open skulls and inspires Alan Jackson songs. This combination should work even better because this particular Camaro is equipped with a six-speed automatic transmission.

No Shift, Sherlock
Vortech Engineering has been in the supercharger business for a long time, and it knows that the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS will be sold with a lot more six-speed automatics than six-speed manuals — something like four automatics to every manual, in fact.

But the automatic Camaro SS carries GM's L99 V8, which is rated at 400 horsepower at 5,900 rpm, while the manual Camaro SS gets GM's LS3 V8, which is rated at 426 hp at 5,900 rpm. Meanwhile, the L99 also produces a bit less torque than the LS3 V8, 410 pound-feet of torque at 4,300 rpm compared to 420 lb-ft of torque at 4,600 rpm. Compression ratio is the big difference, as the L99 runs at 10.4:1, while the LS3 squeezes tighter at 10.7:1. Also the L99 engine runs GM's Active Fuel Management, which deactivates cylinders under light throttle loads to improve fuel economy.

The L99's slightly lower compression ratio and slightly lower torque peak both work to the advantage of the Vortech installation, however. First, the slightly lower compression ratio makes the engine more compatible with forced induction because there's less risk of detonation. Second, a centrifugal blower is more effective at higher rpm than a Roots-type blower (as used in Hennessey Performance Engineering's HPE550 Camaro), so its characteristic blower heave past about 4,000 rpm works well with a torque curve that's meatier at the bottom end.

And as far as GM's cylinder deactivation system is concerned, we didn't detect any problems.

Blow by Blow
A compact centrifugal supercharger is easier to package than a big Roots-type blower, so the Vortech Engineering installation is a neat piece of complicated packaging. The V-3 supercharger sits on the left side of the engine bay and is bolted to the engine by two plates of billet aluminum. It sucks air through a custom roto-molded cold-air induction system, then sends the compressed air charge through a 3-inch mandrel-bend aluminum tube to an air-to-air intercooler that sits just below the front bumper. From there, the compressed air has a straight shot back up to the throttle body and into the cylinders.

Driving the blower is a 10-rib belt that runs down to a pulley on the crank. An automatic tensioner keeps the belt taut and a new crank damper smoothes out any vibration from the bigger bangs in the cylinders.

To feed the engine the greater volume of fuel it needs, Vortech replaces the injectors with high-flow units and then reflashes the memory in the Camaro's engine control computer to deal with the onslaught. A Vortech bypass valve is plumbed in to keep boost levels down at 8.5 psi. The result is 603 hp at 5,900 rpm and 518 lb-ft of torque at 4,300 rpm.

Besides the supercharger system itself, the only changes to this 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS have been the addition of a mellow-sounding Corsa cat-back exhaust system ($1,599.99, not including $200 installation) and a pair of 275/40R20 Nitto Extreme Drag NT55R tires ($584). Vortech didn't touch the suspension and the car even wears the same wheels Chevy bolted to it on the assembly line in Oshawa, Ontario.

But it's not the drive belt, pipes or programming that matter. It's the speed.

Blast to Last
With the shift lever in Drive and a drag strip technique that consists of planting the accelerator and getting a death grip on the steering wheel, this vicious beast blasts from zero to 60 mph in just 4.1 seconds (3.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). The quarter-mile simply vanishes in 12.33 seconds at 115.4 mph.

The obvious comparison here is to the Chevrolet Camaro HPE550 by Hennessey Performance Engineering, another supercharged monster. That machine, running a six-speed manual transmission, was a bit quicker over the quarter-mile, doing the deed in 12.1 seconds at 120.1 mph. But it is behind the Vortech automatic in the 0-60 contest, since it takes 4.3 seconds (4.0 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) to accomplish the feat.

For the record, the Vortech Camaro is much quicker than a stock Camaro SS. It's a full seven-tenths of a second quicker to 60 mph than our previous SS test car, which came equipped with a manual transmission. (In fact, the Vortech Camaro is the first Camaro SS we've driven with the automatic transmission.)

But the numbers only tell part of the story. The Hennessey-built Camaro is an absolutely vicious brute. It's the sort of machine that sends children scurrying for cover and can punish a driver for a moment's inattention. On the other hand, the Vortech machine is equally quick and yet laid-back at the same time — it's more manageable and easygoing.

This Camaro's automatic transmission is an important part of the equation. Vortech has done an outstanding job of matching the engine with the transmission. Left in Drive and with part throttle used, the engine will rev to somewhere just north of three grand and shift — no real boost effect is felt. Left in Drive and with the throttle floored, the engine will hit the boost at about 4,000 rpm and scream to 6,000 rpm before shifting with a satisfying whump. And if that's not enough, the transmission can be shifted to a manual operation mode that lets you choose your gear with trigger switches on the backside of the steering wheel spokes. Overall, there's some deterioration in throttle application linearity (when the blower hits, it hits hard), but around town this Camaro will putter along like a Cushman scooter.

Smokin'
To some peculiar minds, the essence of any supercharger installation is the ability of the car to generate massive blue-gray clouds of tire smoke in a burnout. Surprisingly enough, it takes some very specific techniques to get the Vortech Camaro to generate a haze of burning rubber.

Turn off the stability control, hold down the brake pedal and hit the accelerator pedal, and the engine will rise to 2,000 rpm and just spin steadily while the brake pedal seems to press back against your foot as if the car is trying to break free. This is, after all, an engine computer programmed by GM to avoid warranty problems.

So to generate the smoke, it takes a light touch on the brake — just enough to lock the front wheels — and a light, progressive touch on the throttle. Done right, the engine will climb into the meat of its power band and generate enough smoke to make even burnout connoisseurs shudder in giddy ecstasy.

But for most of us, burnouts are just a stunt — a fun way to burn off some tire tread. A burnout probably isn't enough of a reason to send $6,960.50 to Vortech Engineering, Inc. for its supercharger kit for the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS and then set aside about $1,500 for the installation. The better reason is that Vortech hardware makes an already quick car into the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS Supercharged by Vortech Engineering, which is a serious challenger to Vipers and Ferraris.

And while it sounds nasty, it runs sweet.

:drink::judge:

[Leedom]

Here is my honest opinion. The SS when compared to the new mustang has in most of the articles and website I have read put the mustang slightly ahead overall. That is the new underpowered stang. You take a supercharged version and have that linear powerband an wow. I like the styling of the stang more so than the Camaro, but think the camaro does look good. They styles are just different directions and it comes down to the personal preference. I am not sure if the stang would be easier to handle since it is supercharged though. Look at it this way though. Without modding I think that the stang would be a better overall handling car. Brakes, suspension, engine all upgraded, no more $$ out of your pocket, whereas the camaro could use some modding. My personal opinion is the Stang, but not by much.

[BRUTAL64]

Here is my honest opinion. The SS when compared to the new mustang has in most of the articles and website I have read put the mustang slightly ahead overall. That is the new underpowered stang. You take a supercharged version and have that linear powerband an wow. I like the styling of the stang more so than the Camaro, but think the camaro does look good. They styles are just different directions and it comes down to the personal preference. I am not sure if the stang would be easier to handle since it is supercharged though. Look at it this way though. Without modding I think that the stang would be a better overall handling car. Brakes, suspension, engine all upgraded, no more $$ out of your pocket, whereas the camaro could use some modding. My personal opinion is the Stang, but not by much.

Thanks Adam.:drink::thumbs_up:

The 'stang I'm looking at is the ROUSH 427R. Super charged.

[SeanPlunk]

Here is my honest opinion. The SS when compared to the new mustang has in most of the articles and website I have read put the mustang slightly ahead overall. That is the new underpowered stang. You take a supercharged version and have that linear powerband an wow. I like the styling of the stang more so than the Camaro, but think the camaro does look good. They styles are just different directions and it comes down to the personal preference. I am not sure if the stang would be easier to handle since it is supercharged though. Look at it this way though. Without modding I think that the stang would be a better overall handling car. Brakes, suspension, engine all upgraded, no more $$ out of your pocket, whereas the camaro could use some modding. My personal opinion is the Stang, but not by much.

I disagree. A Mustang with the track pack might out handle a Camaro SS, but otherwise I'd put money on the Camaro. Remember, the Camaro has Brembo brakes stock as well as a pretty good IRS. Also, the LS3 or L99 makes far better power with boltons than the 3-valve 4.6 will.

[BRUTAL64]

I disagree. A Mustang with the track pack might out handle a Camaro SS, but otherwise I'd put money on the Camaro. Remember, the Camaro has Brembo brakes stock as well as a pretty good IRS. Also, the LS3 or L99 makes far better power with boltons than the 3-valve 4.6 will.

Did you read the Supercharged 2010 Camaro SS info I put on here?

[BRUTAL64]

I'm still leaning toward the Camaro SS. BUT...Darlene still has a say in what she wants to drive. So stay tuned.....................:huh:


1) I can order the Camaro the way I want.
2) The Camaro will be brand new, the Roush is used.
3) The Camaro is NA and the Roush is Supercharged--more protential problems with the Roush.
4) I like the LS motors better than the 4.6
5) I all ready have a small car--Vette
6) I almost forgot--Darlene already blew up a 4.6

[SeanPlunk]

Did you read the Supercharged 2010 Camaro SS info I put on here?

I did. I'm skeptical the transmission, rearend, and halfshafts would hold up to over 600hp though.

[BRUTAL64]

I did. I'm skeptical the transmission, rearend, and halfshafts would hold up to over 600hp though.

Yea, that could be an issue. But, I don't plan to pump up the L99 to over 450 or so horsepower.:drink:

[SeanPlunk]

Hey everyone, my fleet manager here at work came something that would be VERY IMPORTANT NEWS for many of you here. What I have are the dates for final orders for all 2010 Mustang, and more importantly, the Job #1 date for the 2011 MY Mustang with the new motors. I have attached a copy of the PDF file, that shows when the dates are. I also have them written below for reference.

2010 Model Year Mustangs

1/10/2010 - 2010 MY Last Day to Spec Change/Cancel
3/12/2010 - 2010 MY Job Last Date

2011 Model Year Mustangs

11/23/2009 - 2011 MY Order Bank Open Date
2/12/2010 - 2011 MY Scheduling Begins
3/15/2010 - 2011 MY Job #1 Date for 2011 Mustangs

So there you have it!!!! As you call can see, the dates for both 2010 and 2011 Mustangs are coming up quick. I'm not sure it was posted earlier, but due to the hack, I wanted to put it back up and help get more info out for the 2010 Threads to get rebuilt. For anyone who wants the Coyote or 3.7 V6, you only have to wait about 2 months to place your order!!! :banana: I Hope this info helps out some of you. Glad to help out the site. :nice:

Can any of the Mods, PLEASE sticky this for a while, until the build starts up next year. Its good info that will be used by many. Thank you!!!

Glenn, if you wait until Mar/April you can get a 400hp Mustang GT :bigthumbsup:

[Vettezuki]

Glenn, if you wait until Mar/April you can get a 400hp Mustang GT :bigthumbsup:

:thumbs_up:

[BRUTAL64]

Glenn, if you wait until Mar/April you can get a 400hp Mustang GT :bigthumbsup:

Are you sure???

[SeanPlunk]

Are you sure???

Yes.

[BRUTAL64]

Yes.

Yes, doesn't cut it. I need facts and documents.:rolleyes:

[SeanPlunk]

Yes, doesn't cut it. I need facts and documents.:rolleyes:

All information will be official at the LA Auto Show ;)

[BRUTAL64]

All information will be official at the LA Auto Show ;)

So, can you let Darlene drive your Cobra till then? :)

[BRUTAL64]

I've been doing the math with the pay :censored: I get here at CI. If I don't eat and only get cat food, I should be able to make the $700.00 a month payments for the Camaro.


Of course I'll need a second job to buy parts for the Vette. I guess I could become a Bouncer again. I haven't beat anyone in a long time.:judge:

[Vettezuki]

I've been doing the math with the pay :censored: I get here at CI. If I don't eat and only get cat food, I should be able to make the $700.00 a month payments for the Camaro.


Of course I'll need a second job to buy parts for the Vette. I guess I could become a Bouncer again. I haven't beat anyone in a long time.:judge:

Let someone else pay the depreciation on a new vehicle, wait a bit, get a second gig AND pool your capital. You can still get the fun stuff but the arrangements can be far less stressful. That's my unsolicited opinion. :bigthumbsup:

[BRUTAL64]

Let someone else pay the depreciation on a new vehicle, wait a bit, get a second gig AND pool your capital. You can still get the fun stuff but the arrangements can be far less stressful. That's my unsolicited opinion. :bigthumbsup:

You're "unsolicited opinion" is ALWAYS welcome.:drink:


I haven't bought a new car since 1990. I'm not getting any younger. It's a really special feeling when you buy a new car. That 90 LX was a great car (for 1990) and was really fun to beat the sales people up as we haggled over cost.:smack:

[joedls]

You're "unsolicited opinion" is ALWAYS welcome.:drink:


I haven't bought a new car since 1990. I'm not getting any younger. It's a really special feeling when you buy a new car. That 90 LX was a great car (for 1990) and was really fun to beat the sales people up as we haggled over cost.:smack:


I bought a black 90 Mustang GT in 91. It had 10K miles on it and I paid $10K for it. I loved that car! I also loved not having a car payment.

[BRUTAL64]

I bought a black 90 Mustang GT in 91. It had 10K miles on it and I paid $10K for it. I loved that car! I also loved not having a car payment.

I paid a little over $15,000 for the new LX. It's just with a used vehicle you don't know how it was driven or what kind crap they did to the car.:crutches:

[Vettezuki]

I paid a little over $15,000 for the new LX. It's just with a used vehicle you don't know how it was driven or what kind crap they did to the car.:crutches:

The warrantied Certified Pre Owned programs take care of that concern now.

[BRUTAL64]

The warrantied Certified Pre Owned programs take care of that concern now.

That is all fine a dandy. But, what good is the vehicle if it's in the shop all the time because of what the original owner did to it??????:nutkick:

[joedls]

That is all fine a dandy. But, what good is the vehicle if it's in the shop all the time because of what the original owner did to it??????:nutkick:


That's why you buy a Mustang. When I sold that 90 GT, it had ~70,000 miles on it and I never did anything but change the oil, brakes, and tires. And I can assure you, I beat the hell out of it.

[BRUTAL64]

That's why you buy a Mustang. When I sold that 90 GT, it had ~70,000 miles on it and I never did anything but change the oil, brakes, and tires. And I can assure you, I beat the hell out of it.

Good point!!!!:judge:


I keep thinking GM and the crap they used to sell.:nutkick:

[joedls]

And these newer Mustangs can really take a beating. I've had to replace a clutch and an alternator, but I put over 100 launches on street slicks on that stock clutch (which was never made for the kind of power I'm throwing at it). The alternators are a well-known problem, but Ford has an upgraded part now. I'm running stock internals, stock tranny, stock differential(other than 4.10 gears), and stock axles with close to 500 RWHP and over 500 lbs-ft of torque on the race tune.

[BRUTAL64]

And these newer Mustangs can really take a beating. I've had to replace a clutch and an alternator, but I put over 100 launches on street slicks on that stock clutch (which was never made for the kind of power I'm throwing at it). The alternators are a well-known problem, but Ford has an upgraded part now. I'm running stock internals, stock tranny, stock differential(other than 4.10 gears), and stock axles with close to 500 RWHP and over 500 lbs-ft of torque on the race tune.

You're talking your 07, right?

[joedls]

You're talking your 07, right?

Yup.

[SeanPlunk]

Glenn, based on available information, my fearless prediction for Mustang powerplants would be:

3.7L DOHC V6 @ 315hp (Base)
5.0L DOHC V8 @ 400hp (GT)
5.0L DOHC V8 @ 450hp (BOSS)
5.4L Supercharged 5.4 DOHC V8 @ 550hp (Shelby)

I would also imagine we'll see an Ecoboost V6 SE at some point.

[Vettezuki]

Glenn, based on available information, my fearless prediction for Mustang powerplants would be:

3.7L DOHC V6 @ 315hp (Base)
5.0L DOHC V8 @ 400hp (GT)
5.0L DOHC V8 @ 450hp (BOSS)
5.4L Supercharged 5.4 DOHC V8 @ 550hp (Shelby)

I would also imagine we'll see an Ecoboost V6 SE at some point.

What's the BOSS going to weigh?

[BRUTAL64]

According to a self-proclaimed insider posting on TheMustangsource.com, news of Ford’s power increases for the 2011 Mustang are true… but there’s more. Calling himself “TheInsider” this individual has revealed that the 2011 Mustang V6 will boast an output of 315hp and displace 3.7-liters. This would put it just slightly ahead of the 300-ish horsepower V6 in the Camaro.

As for the big V8, it will in fact see the return of the 5.0, with the new motor making 400hp. And possibly even better than that news is word of a six-speed manual transmission to replace the current five-speed unit.

All this almost sounds too good to be true, were it not for the fact that these aren’t exactly the first rumors we’re heard on the matter and that Ford is desperate keep the Mustang at the top of its game. While Ford’s other products are performing exceptionally in the marketplace, the Mustang has suffered as of late with, having been out-sold by the Camaro for three straight months.

Other bits of info that will be of interest to the Mustang faithful include news of a new track pack for 2011, an aluminum block for the 2011 Shelby GT500 and a special edition Boss model for 2012.

All righttyy then.:p

[SeanPlunk]

New update: "Road Runner" is a naturally aspirated 5.0L V8 with a slight bump more horsepower and higher RPMs than the Mustang GT "Coyote" 5.0L V8. I'm betting it's your 2012 Boss 302 engine.

That's from Brad Barnett at The Mustang Source. He's usually right on when it comes to this kind of stuff..

[BRUTAL64]

That's from Brad Barnett at The Mustang Source. He's usually right on when it comes to this kind of stuff..

Isn't the latest talk on the Boss engine that it will be forced induction?????:p

[SeanPlunk]

Isn't the latest talk on the Boss engine that it will be forced induction?????:p

No. That came out yesterday, but Brad says it's incorrect information. He says the Boss engine is N/A.

[BRUTAL64]

No. That came out yesterday, but Brad says it's incorrect information. He says the Boss engine is N/A.

So, you are saying that Brad knows it all??:hail:

[BRUTAL64]

I'm VERY interested in the 2012 Boss 302. So in 1970 (39 years ago) the Boss 302 I was going to buy was a little over $4,600. :judge:

The bitch here is the mark up by the dealers.:rolling:

I looked at 2010 GT 500s with $50,000 stickers and the final price with mark up is $80,000.:(

[Damian]

I looked at 2010 GT 500s with $50,000 stickers and the final price with mark up is $80,000.:(

With that price tag, Aston Martin Vantage would be my choice.

[SeanPlunk]

With that price tag, Aston Martin Vantage would be my choice.

For 80K I'd buy a C6 Z06 and mod it :thumbs_up:

[BRUTAL64]

For 80K I'd buy a C6 Z06 and mod it :thumbs_up:

What "MODS" would you do?:confused:

[SeanPlunk]

What "MODS" would you do?:confused:

Intake, Cam, Head porting, Tune :nuts:

[Vettezuki]

Intake, Cam, Head porting, Tune :nuts:

Lingenfelter has a gnarly H&C package for the LS7.

[joedls]

Just think of what you could do with this.

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1035968_report-2012-ford-mustang-gt500-to-get-twin-turbo-road-runner-v-8#

[BRUTAL64]

Intake, Cam, Head porting, Tune :nuts:

Have you ever driven a Z06?????:inout:

[SeanPlunk]

Have you ever driven a Z06?????:inout:

No, but their is no such thing as too much hp :p

[BRUTAL64]

Just think of what you could do with this.

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1035968_report-2012-ford-mustang-gt500-to-get-twin-turbo-road-runner-v-8#

Already thought of it.:p

[BRUTAL64]

Well, this goes on hold. Can't do anything with out a job.:huh: