2011-12 Mustang Info

[SeanPlunk]

3.7L V6 to be rated at 315 horsepower: Same as 2010 GT; 15 hp more than Camaro V6
No immediate plans for EcoBoost V6 Mustang due to small horsepower gap between EcoBoost and 5.0L V8 (365 vs 400)
2011 Mustang GT to be rated at 400 horsepower, will get increase in 2012
2011 Mustang GT to get 6-speed transmission and variable valve timing
2011 Mustang GT Track Pack to include Brembo brakes
2011 Mustang GT 5.0L V8, 6-speed, track pack, Brembo brakes ran even with 414-hp BMW M3, which is 200 lbs lighter, at GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan
2011 Shelby GT500 to get Aluminum Block
Next special edition: 2012 Boss


This leaked out today - it looks interesting... :huh:

[SeanPlunk]

Hmm, this would make for an interesting shoot out with the Camaro.

The LS3 in the Camaro is making over 300tq at the wheels off-idle and peaks at 420tq.

Depending on how much heft the Mustang gains, it could be a close battle.

Current Mustang is at 3533#'s by most accounts and with the Track Pack it is at 3572#'s (that number has always stuck in my head for some reason).

With a 5.0L 4V, bigger/better brakes (lets hope), bigger wheels, future safety standards, and a few other odds and ends, I could easily see 3,600#'s.

Personally I am still leaning towards 3,650#'s for a Mustang Premium. That would only be 75# more than the current Track Pack. Big brakes and 4V heads will eat a nice chunk of that right away.

Some numbers to contemplate while we wait:

Camaro: 3860/426 = 9.06 lbs/ho
Camaro: 3860/420 = 9.19 lbs/tq

Mustang: 3650/400 = 9.125 lbs/hp
Mustang: 3650/360 = 10.14 lbs/tq (if Mustang stays with 3.73 gears then that will help here)

I love that everyone is still putting out more and more powerful cars. I just wish that they could get the weights down...

[BRUTAL64]

Any pictures of the 2012 Boss? Now, that may be the car to wait for.:drink:

[Vettezuki]

I love that everyone is still putting out more and more powerful cars. I just wish that they could get the weights down...

I'm at 3,100lbs and 450BHP (390WHP) and shorter gearing now in a front mid engine. Dynamically, I think any of these would be a bit disappointing to me. Though what Ford can do with a Live Axle defies comprehension. (But there's limits no matter what.)

[BRUTAL64]

I'm at 3,100lbs and 450BHP (390WHP) and shorter gearing now in a front mid engine. Dynamically, I think any of these would be a bit disappointing to me. Though what Ford can do with a Live Axle defies comprehension. (But there's limits no matter what.)

You know with a more modern suspension, there would be nothing that could touch you ( short of a super car) on the twisties.:bigthumbsup:


So how about upgrading the suspension on that "1963" design. :p

[Vettezuki]

You know with a more modern suspension, there would be nothing that could touch you ( short of a super car) on the twisties.:bigthumbsup:


So how about upgrading the suspension on that "1963" design. :p

I'm not sure what options there really are. The big problem is in the rear end with the trailing arm setup and all the nifty camber/toe change you get with travel. The best option I've found still seems to be the Guldstrand 5-link. That would take it up to C4, which ain't too shabby. Now, if there was an SLA setup that'd be slick as all hell. I tried to talk TT into shedding some light (details) on his design, but that's like a cold war secret. :smack:

Do you know of any available "modern" options to fit under the C3 rear that are any good. That Shark Bite one "looks" cool, but is plagued with many problems in both design and manufacture.

Even as it is, there aren't too many modern performance cars in stock form that can hang, or get a rude surprise that I can be right with them without too much trouble. I do love my old Vette. Some aluminum brakes and lighter rotors would make a huge difference too.

[Vettezuki]

BTW, I do have VB&P Dual mount setup, heim jointed camber rods, and metal spherical joints instead of rubber in the trailing arm. Also the wheel bearings were setup to Guldstrand specs, by Guldstrand. So compared to the average C3, I'm on rails. But all the geometry is as you say, from the 60s.

[BRUTAL64]

I'm not sure what options there really are. The big problem is in the rear end with the trailing arm setup and all the nifty camber/toe change you get with travel. The best option I've found still seems to be the Guldstrand 5-link. That would take it up to C4, which ain't too shabby. Now, if there was an SLA setup that'd be slick as all hell. I tried to talk TT into shedding some light (details) on his design, but that's like a cold war secret. :smack:

Do you know of any available "modern" options to fit under the C3 rear that are any good. That Shark Bite one "looks" cool, but is plagued with many problems in both design and manufacture.

Even as it is, there aren't too many modern performance cars in stock form that can hang, or get a rude surprise that I can be right with them without too much trouble. I do love my old Vette. Some aluminum brakes and lighter rotors would make a huge difference too.


Right, now I don't know of any options besides Guldstrand's.


As soon as I do, I'll be all over it. Yes, I will share with you.:p


Hell, I need brakes before I do anything else.:crutches:

[BRUTAL64]

BTW, I do have VB&P Dual mount setup, heim jointed camber rods, and metal spherical joints instead of rubber in the trailing arm. Also the wheel bearings were setup to Guldstrand specs, by Guldstrand. So compared to the average C3, I'm on rails. But all the geometry is as you say, from the 60s.

The front suspension is based off a 1958 design.:censored::rolling::judge:

[SeanPlunk]

Boss:
Better handling car(out handle Track Pack 2 with ease) will be high power N/A in between GT and GT500. Pricing close to that of GT500(optioned out to about 47) but that is fine since it plays to a different audience. Production number less than GT500. Styling will not see a radical change as from GT to GT500 but will be fairly noticeable even to those not engulfed in the world of cars.

I have said nothing.

Is it worth the wait?
Let's just say I will be purchasing more that one toy in the coming years.

Hmmmm :drool:

[SeanPlunk]

The 5.0L/4v will be stronger across the powerband than any 4.6 predecessor. I've been hearing 440-450hp at the crank on 93 octane with just a tune for the 5.0L/4v.

The next couple years are going to be awesome. I also hear an updated Hemi is coming out in the not too distant future for the Challengers :thumbs_up:

[Vettezuki]

What's different about the Boss platform that will make out handle the Trak Pak GT with ease?

[SeanPlunk]

What's different about the Boss platform that will make out handle the Trak Pak GT with ease?

We don't know yet. This is all insider information that has leaked the last 2 days. It could be an IRS?

[Vettezuki]

We don't know yet. This is all insider information that has leaked the last 2 days. It could be an IRS?

I would assume, but there might be more than that if it's "superior to track pack 2" with ease? Maybe an SLA suspension up front as well with lighter weight. At that point, I'm starting to get mighty interested. Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case may be) I've done enough to the old Vette to make it mighty potent; probably just keep working on it.

[BRUTAL64]

I would assume, but there might be more than that if it's "superior to track pack 2" with ease? Maybe an SLA suspension up front as well with lighter weight. At that point, I'm starting to get mighty interested. Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case may be) I've done enough to the old Vette to make it mighty potent; probably just keep working on it.

Damn, I hate waiting. But if the BOSS is as good as being said........anyone looking for a "mildly" used C2???:rolling:

[Vettezuki]

Damn, I hate waiting. But if the BOSS is as good as being said........anyone looking for a "mildly" used C2???:rolling:

$150, that's my final offer. :smack:

[BRUTAL64]

$150, that's my final offer. :smack:

You never know, you may end up with it--no cost.:p

[Vettezuki]

You never know, you may end up with it--no cost.:p

Let me think about that . . . mm, ok. :drink: You know I'll treat her right (over time), and let you drive it as long as you promise not to drive it into a loading dock or t-bone unsuspecting imports. :smack:

[BRUTAL64]

Let me think about that . . . mm, ok. :drink: You know I'll treat her right (over time), and let you drive it as long as you promise not to drive it into a loading dock or t-bone unsuspecting imports. :smack:


If you get it free, it means I'm not around. Yes, I know you'll treat her right.:bigthumbsup:

[Vettezuki]

If you get it free, it means I'm not around. Yes, I know you'll treat her right.:bigthumbsup:

Well pace yourself, no need to be in any big hurry. I've got plenty of other things to work on ;) :drink:

[BRUTAL64]

Well pace yourself, no need to be in any big hurry. I've got plenty of other things to work on ;) :drink:

I'll start taking naps. It seems to work for TimAT.:sm_laughing:

[SeanPlunk]

New engine:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fsl0VAat4zM/SXystTkbapI/AAAAAAAAB0M/uvSSS5cqzJg/s400/6a00d83451b3c669e2010536f393aa970c-800wi.jpg
http://image.internetautoguide.com/f/auto-news/first-look-fords-new-coyote-v8-engine-spied-in-a-ford-mustang-mule/14746937+cr1+re0+ar1/ford-coyote-v8-engine.jpg

Old engine:
http://www.blog.automotiveaddicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/2009fordmustanggtengine01fixedsmall.jpg

The Coyote looks smaller, but it's hard to tell by the angle of the pictures...

[Leedom]

Looks like a single blade throttle boddy. The crap that was covering the heads on the current version seem to be moved on the Coyote version possibly giving it the illusion it is smaller.