Mini Martin: The Idea

[Vettezuki]

My brother and I have had a hankering to build a 240z for a while now. We couldn't agree on the engine. He wanted an SBC and I wanted a 2JZGTE. The solution, well obviously it's more cylinders. So I just happened across an ebay auction, no reserve, no bids, for a 5.0L V12 out of a BMW 750il. If it stays super cheap, like a $100 territory, and it doesn't look completely destroyed on inspection, I think I'll pull the trigger and set it aside.

[Leedom]

:bigthumbsup:

[eric97srad]

My brother and I have had a hankering to build a 240z for a while now. We couldn't agree on the engine. He wanted an SBC and I wanted a 2JZGTE. The solution, well obviously it's more cylinders. So I just happened across an ebay auction, no reserve, no bids, for a 5.0L V12 out of a BMW 750il. If it stays super cheap, like a $100 territory, and it doesn't look completely destroyed on inspection, I think I'll pull the trigger and set it aside.

:bigthumbsup:


That would be amazing.

[BRUTAL64]

Yea, amazing, if you can fit it. Which I think is possible,:thumbs_up:

[94cobra69ss396]

I'm not sure it will fit. Also know that it will be very expensive to buy parts for.

[Vettezuki]

I'm not sure it will fit. Also know that it will be very expensive to buy parts for.

It's a bit shorter and taller than an SBC, so I'm relatively confident it can fit. The parts I'm far more concerned about. If it's just some gaskets, seals and whatnot, maybe not such a big deal, but if it requires a real rebuild, could get pricey. Then again, if the motor itself can be picked up for pennies on the dollar, even a few g wouldn't be the end of the world.

[BRUTAL64]

....even a few g wouldn't be the end of the world.

I wish I could think like that.:(

[Vettezuki]

I wish I could think like that.:(

Not right now I can't. This potential motor needs to stay stupid cheap for this to even be a possibility. The Snake is first. Then maybe next calendar year. . .

Plus these cars are assets that will be used to promote the site, and if done cleverly, might even have some positive equity at the time of sale. In other words, it's a different kind of cost than purely recreational.

[Vettezuki]

Whoops. Ixney on the BMW V12 eh, it's no reserve but a $1,599 starting bid and my initial research shows those motors are a giant PITA to work on. They are effectively two M20s mated together, including TWO separate ECUs and Harnesses. Not even I'm that 'adventurous'.

Stay tuned.

[BlacknBoostn]

sr20... sr20

[Vettezuki]

sr20... sr20

I know a little bit about the RB25DET, and that the 2JZGTE is basically a superior motor, especially in stock form. But I know squat about the SR20, please to esplain.

[enkeivette]

How much hp does it make? It won't be easy/ possible to mod, keep that in mind. If it makes decent hp stock (like 500 territory) go for it.

[enkeivette]

I'm pretty sure the SR20 is a Nissan motor, the 4cyl truck motor that comes in the 240Z that all the ricers go nuts for. Doesn't make hp, nothing special about it.

I beat a modded turbo Silvia when my motor was NA. Punished him. Might as well have been charged with sodemy.

[Vettezuki]

I'm pretty sure the SR20 is a Nissan motor, the 4cyl truck motor that comes in the 240Z that all the ricers go nuts for. Doesn't make hp, nothing special about it.

I beat a modded turbo Silvia when my motor was NA. Punished him. Might as well have been charged with sodemy.

:nutkick:

Gotta update the thread. The 750li V12 is out. Too complex to make sing. If I could get my hands on the 5.0L V10 out of an M5 that'd be hoot, but I'm guessing best case scenarios those are going to be way out of range. Aaron is against the 2ZJ, so I might just give in and go with the tried and true SBC.

[Sonic03SVT]

No, the SR20 isnt the motor out of our 240sx. Correct me if im wrong here import fans, but i believe the SR20 is what the JDM silvias got instead of our...KA24? i think? SR20 DET is a 2.0 turbo four that is kind of the ubiquitous swap motor for datsun 510s and the like. Can be built real stout and make big power if done right, think of it like the 4 cyl version of an RB or something. Would probably be my swap of choice into said 510/210 if i couldnt do a sbf/sbc. But if you put it in a 240 itll just be yet another 240 with an SR20. NOTHING even remotely special about that, it may be more common than 240s with original motors at this point.

Wow. Did NOT know i knew that much about import motors. I may punch MYSELF in the face for that. :rolleyes:

If you need any help with the z let me know. My dad is a huge Z guy. He just demodded his 600 rwhp Z32 300 ZX TT, and has had Zs pretty much as long as i can remember. I know the most badass Z either of us have ever seen was an early 280Z ( pre ZX ) With a TT LS motor....Thats gonna get my vote ;)

[BRIAN]

Twin Turbo 1UZ-FE in VVT-i form, Toyotas V8.

[Vettezuki]

Twin Turbo 1UZ-FE in VVT-i form, Toyotas V8.

Don't know much (anything) about them? Anything particularly cool? Can they be had aftermarket relatively easily? If so, how much?

[BRUTAL64]

You never do anything the easy way. SBC is the way to go here. But, noooo....:bang:

[Vettezuki]

You never do anything the easy way. SBC is the way to go here. But, noooo....:bang:

There's only one way to go, the fun way. :lhdevil:

Actually a peripheral port 20BT (turbo 3 rotor) would be galdarned hoot in a 240z.

A BMW V10 (out of an M5) would be bitch'n too (but those are way too pricey).

We'll see. One project car at a time.

[BRUTAL64]

There's only one way to go, the fun way. :lhdevil:

Actually a peripheral port 20BT (turbo 3 rotor) would be galdarned hoot in a 240z.

A BMW V10 (out of an M5) would be bitch'n too (but those are way too pricey).

We'll see. One project car at a time.

Yea, the Snake then the 2nd Gen Camaro and then the 240z. Yep, your life is about covered.:drink:

[Vettezuki]

Yea, the Snake then the 2nd Gen Camaro and then the 240z. Yep, your life is about covered.:drink:

2JZGTE in the 2nd Gen . . . naturally.

How light can you reasonably make a 2nd Gen by the way?

[BRIAN]

Don't know much (anything) about them? Anything particularly cool? Can they be had aftermarket relatively easily? If so, how much?

LOL to be honest I don't know much either. It's also on my "to fuck with list." I've become extremely curious of the motor as it hasn't come to the light of Toyota tuners yet. It's been running around since 1989 but over shadowed by more tuner friendly Toyota motors such as the 2JZ-GTE or 3S-GTE. I've done my research and my conclusion to the absence of high powered 1UZ's is expense, that is changing pretty fast lately actually. Heard cases of 800+ hp 1UZ's on stock internals but I can't confirm, I don't doubt it though, those aussies are crazy:hail:.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UZ_engine

Here's a 1005hp 1UZ car you might want to read up on.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/210264/vauxhall_omega.html

Here's a supercharger kit I found
http://www.bulletcars.com/superchargers/toyota/toyota-soarer-v8-lexus-ls400-supercharger-system.html?AID=10546635&PID=3179980

Turbo 1UZ powered cobra
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/477/turbocobra.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/turbocobra.jpg/)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9066/turboeng.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/turboeng.jpg/)

I think this was pretty cool, old article from 03'. This sucker has 555,000 miles. How many trips to the moon is that lol
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7586/555000milels.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/555000milels.jpg/)

I'm pretty tired but that's a little on Toyota's flagship V8. I have more info on it on my other computers if your interested I can post later:)

[BRUTAL64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UZ_engine

Here's a 1005hp 1UZ car you might want to read up on.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/210264/vauxhall_omega.html


Turbo 1UZ powered cobra
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/477/turbocobra.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/turbocobra.jpg/)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9066/turboeng.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/turboeng.jpg/)



Where I come from you would be shot, tared and feathered, and then hanged twice if you did that to a Cobra.:barf::mad:

[Vettezuki]

Where I come from you would be shot, tared and feathered, and then hanged twice if you did that to a Cobra.:barf::mad:

Now that's just not polite. :smack:

[Vettezuki]

LOL to be honest I don't know much either. It's also on my "to fuck with list." I've become extremely curious of the motor as it hasn't come to the light of Toyota tuners yet. It's been running around since 1989 but over shadowed by more tuner friendly Toyota motors such as the 2JZ-GTE or 3S-GTE. I've done my research and my conclusion to the absence of high powered 1UZ's is expense, that is changing pretty fast lately actually. Heard cases of 800+ hp 1UZ's on stock internals but I can't confirm, I don't doubt it though, those aussies are crazy:hail:.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UZ_engine

Here's a 1005hp 1UZ car you might want to read up on.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/210264/vauxhall_omega.html



Here's a supercharger kit I found
http://www.bulletcars.com/superchargers/toyota/toyota-soarer-v8-lexus-ls400-supercharger-system.html?AID=10546635&PID=3179980

Turbo 1UZ powered cobra
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/477/turbocobra.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/turbocobra.jpg/)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9066/turboeng.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/turboeng.jpg/)

I think this was pretty cool, old article from 03'. This sucker has 555,000 miles. How many trips to the moon is that lol
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7586/555000milels.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/555000milels.jpg/)

I'm pretty tired but that's a little on Toyota's flagship V8. I have more info on it on my other computers if your interested I can post later:)

I'm always interested in learning more about different engines, and how people think about solving similar problems. Maybe make a 1UZ thread in the Engine Building section.

[BRUTAL64]

2JZGTE in the 2nd Gen . . . naturally.

How light can you reasonably make a 2nd Gen by the way?

You can probably gut it down to about 2,900 lbs easy enough. But anything after that, would begin to cost.:drink:

[Vettezuki]

You can probably gut it down to about 2,900 lbs easy enough. But anything after that, would begin to cost.:drink:

We're talking 2,900lbs with iron block aluminum head SBC? That ain't bad at all.

[BRIAN]

Where I come from you would be shot, tared and feathered, and then hanged twice if you did that to a Cobra.:barf::mad:
South Carlina? :huh:

[BRUTAL64]

South Carlina? :huh:

Whittier, California!:smack:

[BRIAN]

A 1UZ is one of those motors that adds to the "wow" factor. 2JZ's, LS1's, damn B18 Honda motors are slut motors that have been inserted in damn near everything. Building the 1UZ still pops cherry's in the engine building world, yeah it's aftermarket is a little on the slow side but it will pick up. There cheap to get, LS400's or SC400's pop up in pick your part all the time and 90% of the reason there sitting there is due to collisions.

If you want something a little more crazy get your self a 1GZ-FE, 5.0 V12:D

[BRIAN]

Whittier, California!:smack:
Damn that was my second guess, really it was:crutches:

[Vettezuki]

. . . If you want something a little more crazy get your self a 1GZ-FE, 5.0 V12:D

Now I'm intrigued. The BMW V12 out of an older 850ci is too much of a PITA (even for me). The BMW V10 out of a modern M5 would by awesome, but simply way too expensive. I didn't know about these motors. Are they available in the States? Are there good parts interchanges (cams, heads, etc.)?

[Vettezuki]

Wow, I didn't expect these to be that cheap.

Merc V12 out of a CL600 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-02-MERCEDES-CL600-S600-M137-V12-Motor-40K-SWAP_W0QQitemZ280397970834QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotor s_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4149057d92&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245).

[BRIAN]

Now I'm intrigued. The BMW V12 out of an older 850ci is too much of a PITA (even for me). The BMW V10 out of a modern M5 would by awesome, but simply way too expensive. I didn't know about these motors. Are they available in the States? Are there good parts interchanges (cams, heads, etc.)?

Your better off with BMW's V12 or Audi's than you are Toyota's. The 1GZ-FE is the unknown. Only car I know of with such a swap is the Supra.

YouTube - Top Secret V12 Supra Nardo　Over 400km/h Challenge

[Vettezuki]

[QUOTE=BRIAN;32613]Your better off with BMW's V12 or Audi's than you are Toyota's. The 1GZ-FE is the unknown. Only car I know of with such a swap is the Supra./QUOTE]

Yeah, I just watched that and another video in Japanese and they flat out said there are no tuning parts, everything has to be pretty much fabricated or made from scratch. DOA.

The BMW V12 is just a pair of 6s glued together with TWO separate ignition, harness, and computers. No thanks.

Maybe the Merc V12. Which Audi motor are you talking about? Of course an SBC will work great from and object/practical POV, but it doesn't have any wow factor at all.

[BRIAN]

Forget that I mentioned Audi, I just really like the R8 and remember it also has a V12

Audi R8 V12 TDI (deutsch) - Video

I don't know of many V12 powered cars at affordable prices, older cars like the Jaguar XJS and BMW 8 series are the only ones worth mentioning.

AHHHH screw it go 2JZ and woop some V12's

This guy did
YouTube - Fastest V12 Lamborghini VS Toyota Supra from Hell

[Vettezuki]

Forget that I mentioned Audi, I just really like the R8 and remember it also has a V12

I don't know of many V12 powered cars at affordable prices, older cars like the Jaguar XJS and BMW 8 series are the only ones worth mentioning.

AHHHH screw it go 2JZ and woop some V12's

. . .

Yeah, cheap and exotic don't go together too well. That Audi motor is a Lambo motor. :nutkick:


I'll definitely do something at some point with a 2JZGTE, just gotta do it. In the meantime, gotta finish RX-Snake.

[enkeivette]

There's only one way to go, the fun way. :lhdevil:

Actually a peripheral port 20BT (turbo 3 rotor) would be galdarned hoot in a 240z.


You sob, you had this idea 10 days before I did. :rant:

Well sort of, a 20B in an old American car, now that will gather the masses.

[94cobra69ss396]

You sob, you had this idea 10 days before I did. :rant:

Well sort of, a 20B in an old American car, now that will gather the masses.

Yah, for a hanging.

[enkeivette]

This is where the 20B comes from btw:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Mazda_Eunos_Cosmo.jpg/800px-Mazda_Eunos_Cosmo.jpg

[enkeivette]

Yah, for a hanging.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

[Ultraperio]

If you're looking for interesting motor combinations. I've always been fascinated with diesels and the 6.6 duramax is a bad ass motor with tons of potential.

Size wise they're a bit bigger than a SBC, weight wise its round 800lbs, say around 200lbs heavier than an iron block SBC. less if you factor in a blower or turbo components. Still its a heavy motor. But if you want a wow factor imagine a 600-800hp, 1200+lb-ft car in the 3000lb range. For the chassis, its more up in the air. You'd want something with a large engine bay and a strong frame/unibody. It might be a project for something more along the lines of a older Camaro. But there have been people that swapped them in C3 vettes.

[Vettezuki]

If you're looking for interesting motor combinations. I've always been fascinated with diesels and the 6.6 duramax is a bad ass motor with tons of potential.

Size wise they're a bit bigger than a SBC, weight wise its round 800lbs, say around 200lbs heavier than an iron block SBC. less if you factor in a blower or turbo components. Still its a heavy motor. But if you want a wow factor imagine a 600-800hp, 1200+lb-ft car in the 3000lb range. For the chassis, its more up in the air. You'd want something with a large engine bay and a strong frame/unibody. It might be a project for something more along the lines of a older Camaro. But there have been people that swapped them in C3 vettes.


How about a bio diesel Duramax in a Gen 2 F Body? That could be interesting and we could simultaneously explore the world of making our own fuel of leftover cooking grease, etc.

Any idea what these motors go for used in good condition?

[BADDASSC6]

There is a SR20det for sale on e-bay for $899. This is a common swap. There is a rb28det on ebay for $1200.

My $0.02: I would go with the GTR motor. The 2jz is more robust, but the skyline motor is a Nissan motor and it's a way more rare:drool2:. People have paid premium dollar for 240z from all generations to get the RB dropped in. I've seen so many SR20 swaps that I honestly ignore them.

With the RB you will be very likely to find a Nissan purist who will not be able live without it.

[BADDASSC6]

Forget that I mentioned Audi, I just really like the R8 and remember it also has a V12

Audi R8 V12 TDI (deutsch) - Video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1056684/audi_r8_v12_tdi_deutsch/)

I don't know of many V12 powered cars at affordable prices, older cars like the Jaguar XJS and BMW 8 series are the only ones worth mentioning.

AHHHH screw it go 2JZ and woop some V12's

This guy did
YouTube - Fastest V12 Lamborghini VS Toyota Supra from Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvTHEHxyjlk)

The V12 deisel R8 never made production. It's a shame too. I felt this would have given the car some brand identity and would make the R8 some honest lineage to the R8 and R10 tdi. Now it's just a conservatively dressed Baby lambo.

[BRIAN]

There is a rb28det on ebay for $1200.
Wha!? Post a link I can't find it!!!

The only RB28 I know of was from Tomei and it sure as hell wouldn't be $1200
Now it's just a conservatively dressed Baby lambo.
LMFAO!!!!

[BADDASSC6]

Wha!? Post a link I can't find it!!!

The only RB28 I know of was from Tomei and it sure as hell wouldn't be $1200

LMFAO!!!!

I fucked up:bang:. I was actually looking at the RB20DET that wasavailable in 1989+ Skylines. Not the newer 2.5 and 2.8 L motors. I didn't even know there was a 2L Skyline motor. Here is a link with a bunch of options::inout:

http://www.jdmenginescorp.com/engines/nissan

[BRIAN]

BAHA :sm_laughing: okay now that's a so-so price for a rb20. Still an RB28 isn't a factory Nissan built motor, Tomei built them using RB26's which is the GTR motor.

Man I was just about to sell the Supra and pick up and old Datsun 280 just to swap in that awesome piece of machinery....as soon as I won it :laugh:

[BADDASSC6]

I know. It would be awesome.

[Ultraperio]

How about a bio diesel Duramax in a Gen 2 F Body? That could be interesting and we could simultaneously explore the world of making our own fuel of leftover cooking grease, etc.

Any idea what these motors go for used in good condition?

From what I've seen they go from ~$5k for a drop out to $10k+ for a new motor. I would see no point in going for a brand new one, its a diesel, its overbuilt, and it will last forever.

Converting it to biodiesel is an interesting idea. It would be the best ride you could get once the zombie apocalypse comes.:pot_stir:

The 6.6 is an amazing motor, people are hitting an easy 500whp with bolt ons and tuning. Unfortunately diesel tuning is over my head.

[jedhead]

About 25 years ago, a shop in HB made bodies for 240Z to make them look like a 1963 Ferrari GTO. I thought about getting the body kit for my Z and stopped at the shop. They had a 240Z with the body kit installed. They also installed a Ferrari V12 and tranny out of a 330. The engine looked like it belonged in the engine compartment. They fired up the car for me and I about fainted. I was at one time trying to get a 432 upper end for my 240Z but I could not find one to ship here. Now my thoughts for the future is LS7 in the Z. Don't expect anything soon since my Z has been in the garage for years.
Or something like this one.

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