Obama health care penalty bullshit

[enkeivette]

Im surprised I couldnt find an open thread on this. Now we have to maintain health insurance or be penalized? Land of the free?

It only hurts the middle class, and its bullshit. The rich already had health insurance so they dont give a fuck, the poor will continue to get free health insurance, and the middle class will chose to pay the $400 penalty, because they can't afford health insurance and it's the cheaper option.

[GHOST]

Lets be honest it hasn't been the land of the free for some time it has turned into the land of the illegals and welfare tools. This country is so lost it is sickening I mean politicians should all be strung up the only thing they care about anymore is making money this is no longer a country it is a business. The people at the top are trying to make as much money as possible and screw over all the hard working people in the middle. Our "government" has shown itself to be greedy and corrupt and as a people we should not stand for it. How different is it from the time of the king? Taxes that screwed the middle class and a corrupt government in control, and talk of taking away our right the bare arms. In some areas it is illegal to sag your pant, your can get a ticket for swearing and in another you are told how big a drink you can buy. Now we are being told that we have to have insurance or else!!!!! As it was stated in the Patriot when he says I will not trade 1 tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants 1 mile away well it took some time but lets be honest we are there. This country was supposed to be governed by the people and what happened, we are now told what to do with our lives.... Those are my 2 cents

[blackax]

Im surprised I couldnt find an open thread on this. Now we have to maintain health insurance or be penalized? Land of the free?

It only hurts the middle class, and its bullshit. The rich already had health insurance so they dont give a fuck, the poor will continue to get free health insurance, and the middle class will chose to pay the $400 penalty, because they can't afford health insurance and it's the cheaper option.

I'm not a big fan of the health care mandate. I get why its there but I would of rather seen a single payer system.

[Vettezuki]

The HCS has been a bit of a cluster fuck for a while. The two rational directions, IMO, are a RADICALLY more free market (no we didn't have one) or a single payer. The Ad Hoc fixes are just a mess on top of mess.

Land of the free is an idea, an aspiration. It never existed. Government was never not corrupt and big business has a simple vested interest in being close to law giving if there is going to be something like a state. The bigger and more powerful the state, the MORE business will be involved with it.

[GHOST]

Yes and that is why we should just abolish government all together and live a completely free country and we all know the only way to absolute freedom.... ANARCHY

[Vettezuki]

Yes and that is why we should just abolish government all together and live a completely free country and we all know the only way to absolute freedom.... ANARCHY

When man is ready for it, that's what he will have.

‘I said that it is governments which make wars and prepare for wars, but obviously it is not governments alone - the power of a government, even the most absolute dictatorship, depends on the tacit assent of the governed. Why do people consent to be governed? It isn't only fear: what have millions of people to fear from a small group of politicians? It is because they subscribe to the same values as their governors. Rulers and ruled alike believe in the principle of authority, of hierarchy, of power. These are the characteristics of the political principle. The anarchists, who have always distinguished between the state and society, adhere to the social principle, which can be seen wherever men link themselves in an association based on a common need or a common interest. ‘The State’ said the German anarchist Gustav Landauer, ‘is not something which can be destroyed by a revolution, but is a condition, a certain relationship between human beings, a mode of human behaviour; we destroy it by contracting other relationships, by behaving differently.’ - Colin Ward

[injdinjn]

The ACA is a total lie. There are no caps on costs or co pays, only that the ins cos have to spend 80% of revenue on medical costs. The ins cos have the best accounts money can buy so you know that's a useless rule. Decades ago I read where ins cos wrote off #2 Ticonderogas for $1 each.
If the ACA is such a good deal why aren't the politicians shoving this down our throat enrolled, or the unions, or McDs, or other dumocrat buddy buddy companies.
It's just a uncontrolled tax on the people.
Some govt asshole that doesn't give a shit and hates their job will be deciding your medical care not your physician.
Want a example of govt medical care - go visit a Indian Reservation or VA hosp.
In a word - we are fucked.
The R's won't do anything about it exc lip service, they are as bad as the D's. ALL self serving lying crooks.
Feinstein should be in jail for war profiteering and I tell her so every time I email her.

[Vettezuki]

I'm dealing with the VA on behalf of my blind elderly father. #shudders

Thinking of Pine Ridge, etc. . . #wheeps

[SeanPlunk]

I'm not a big fan of the health care mandate. I get why its there but I would of rather seen a single payer system.

The mandate is necessary until we move to single payer which in the long term is the only way to go if we're serious about keeping costs down.

[Vettezuki]

The mandate is necessary until we move to single payer which in the long term is the only way to go if we're serious about keeping costs down.

I don't know who we is. But there are values other than keeping costs down, and for that matter, ways other than SP to bring them down.

[BADDASSC6]

I was actually happy with the way things were before. Yes the cost of health care was increasing, but the quality was increasing and there were major advances in healthcare and medicine at a rapid rate. R&D is expensive and it's a cost that the consumer is not sensitive too.

[kdracer73]

I opted to pay the penalty, rather than $465 a month with a $10K deductible . Affordable-NOT !

[Vettezuki]

ACA managed to take a clusterfuck of overlapping ad-hoc systems and make them cluster-fuckier. Impressive.

[Vettezuki]

I was actually happy with the way things were before. Yes the cost of health care was increasing, but the quality was increasing and there were major advances in healthcare and medicine at a rapid rate. R&D is expensive and it's a cost that the consumer is not sensitive too.

I ain't no fan of Bush, but this made me chuckle. I'm sure it's a micro-aggression of some sort.


http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/obama_xerxes3.jpg?w=461

[blackax]

Single payer is the way we should of gone.

[Vettezuki]

Maybe we could get some sort of awesome combination of Medicare and VA . . . for everyone?

[BADDASSC6]

Yup. That would suck. One of my guys has been waiting for more than a year to close out his VA disability claim. It's all fucking bullshit. I honestly thinks we were better off before.

[blackax]

Yup. That would suck. One of my guys has been waiting for more than a year to close out his VA disability claim. It's all fucking bullshit. I honestly thinks we were better off before.

Yes that does suck alot, but why do you think it was any different before? because things where always better in the past? Sometime change sucks.

[Vettezuki]

I prefer change from suck -> less suck, not suck (A) -> suck (B).

ACA seems to be more of the latter than the former.

[blackax]

I prefer change from suck -> less suck, not suck (A) -> suck (B).

ACA seems to be more of the latter than the former.

I think that all comes down to the perspective you are coming from. For me the ACA changed nothing for my healthcare (same provider and same price) Some got a worse deal, and some got a better deal.

The ACA has put us on a better path to get our health care system back to the right path, and the old system was never going to do that.

[Vettezuki]

I think that all comes down to the perspective you are coming from. For me the ACA changed nothing for my healthcare (same provider and same price) Some got a worse deal, and some got a better deal.

Sounds like Suck (A) -> Suck (B) overall.

The ACA has put us on a better path to get our health care system back to the right path, and the old system was never going to do that.

The ACA has turned out to be at least as much of a clown car as feared.
The VA is turning out to be an even bigger disaster than commonly assumed.
Medicare is in a slow but pretty clear nose dive to oblivion.
The Indian Health Service (IHS) borders on the unspeakable.

Not sure how these add up to supporting an even more expansive role for government control over health care. If it were little more than a distributed payment system to end users or something, maybe it'd be better than the ad hoc clusterfuckery we've managed to create, but I wouldn't even bet on that with the "leadership" we have the misfortune of living under.

[BADDASSC6]

Yes that does suck alot, but why do you think it was any different before? because things where always better in the past? Sometime change sucks.

Change for the sake of change socks and does nothing. I'm all for updating our health care system to make it more affordable, but that is not what happened. It's more expensive for everyone. Some may pay less directly, but the coming tax increases will tell the truth. Just because your bill hasn't changed yet doesn't mean it won't change. Some extensions were granted but over the next three years the truth will come out and everyone will be pissed. There is no efficiently run government organization. That in itself is enough for me to say it's a bad idea. I also work hard to make the money I have. I should be able to decide the level of health care I want. If I'm required to buy it then the insurance companies will dictate the price. Finally, I am fine with drug companies and doctors making huge money. If that's what's required to have our best and brightest providing care and developing future health solutions then so be it. Medical school is long hard and stressful. They earned it.

[BADDASSC6]

I think that all comes down to the perspective you are coming from. For me the ACA changed nothing for my healthcare (same provider and same price) Some got a worse deal, and some got a better deal.

The ACA has put us on a better path to get our health care system back to the right path, and the old system was never going to do that.
Please be specific as to what was wrong with the old system and what Obama care did to fix it.

[injdinjn]

Before we were forced onto medicare we had Kaiser and the costs were rising about 10%/year same as my vehicle insurance.
Medicare premiums are $100/month deducted from SS payments. 2 years ago one of my med co pays doubled the others up 50%, blood test co pays up 50%, medicare paid $100 every 2 years for glasses now it's $50.
I was supposed to be able to go to the VA for any medical issue. ~1992 I was without insurance and went to the VA for my asthma meds - I was told they could not treat me or give me a prescription - Thank you slick willie.
VA care is hit or miss depending on the Dr you get. When my Dad was in Long Beach VA hosp in 1959 he could not have anything of value, even small change, as the night shift helped themselves to anything they could.
Medical care on Indian Res's and VA hosps are what obombacare will become.
Like Canada, they hope you die before they have to let you see a specialist.
Anything the govt touches is worse and more expensive than if run by private capitalists.
Even have dealings with govt employees and notice how they don't care - those same people will be telling your Dr. how to treat you.
The revolution starts when?

[BADDASSC6]

That's the truth. I got pink eye in 2008. I was the command duty officer at SPAWAR HQ. I got relieved from watch to go get treatment. Balboa and NTC keep punting me back and forth between each other. I had to call my command to have them call to get help. That was as a senior LT. Zero fucks given by the staff. I was an active duty service member at a military hosiptal and are was refused because they claimed that the other location was responsible for my command. I never want my family to go through that.

[Vettezuki]

Shinseki has resigned, but no matter. So did Sibelius. What will change?

Names.