Must resist the urge to mod!

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I read a great article in 5.0 Magazine about the Ford Racing Cobra Jet intake for the Coyote. Guys are getting pretty close to 500 rwhp with it NA. I have a huge itch to get one some shorty headers and a X pipe with no cats. I think 450 rwhp would be the goal. Fortunately (or unfortunately for the Chevy haters) the Corvette is eating all my budget right now.

[Vettezuki]

It's amazing how much is on the table with just a retune with a Coyote. I think Ray was saying something like 20+WHP for nothing but some not so extreme tuning AIR.

I have essentially no car budget. But one day I will.

[94cobra69ss396]

Give in, the Coyote is one bad engine!

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Baselines:

Roval: 2:01
1/8 (@ Qualcom): 9.0@88
Autocross: 47.6 ~2sec behind the lead car

The frustrating this about this pig-fucker is that it's not my Corvette (Mustang fanboy's please get over it). Every time I take it out I tell myself "I'd be smoking all these bitches if I had my vette".

Plan of action (Corvette): Get the Vette on the track. I need to get new harnesses since mine have expired. Have one rim repaired (damaged it last time out). I'm also getting the car retuned since I had issues with the last tune, and I'm installing the LG Motorsports TPMS delete (I blame TMPS and traction control with my last couple of spins).

Plan of action (Mustang): Drag racing (shooting for tens with a power-adder) Looking at the Hellion TT kit or the Ford racing SC. In the short term (Sept) I will be installing a X pipe with no cats, a custom tune, and SVE lower control arms. After that I'm going to install the FR Intake and TB with a JLT intake if it looks like I will be able to make room in my finances for the Hellion kit. If not then I will pass on the intake and TB and go straight to the FR SC.

Looking to deep in the tens. Really want the TT kit because I think that 9's would be possible with chassis upgrades.

What do you guys think about the plan for the Mustang? There are some supports that I didnt list because they will be upgraded when needed (Fuel and Clutch).

[Vettezuki]

Doesn't the FRSC kit maintAin the Ford warranty? Don't know about the other kit. Might be something to consider. If you don't care about that then the TT sOunds cooler to me. Everyone has a SC.

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The ford kit does maintain the warranty. It's good for 11's maybe 10's his you go with all the way with gears and LTs. The TT kit fucks the warranty. Zero fucks are given. As long as I can get past emissions.

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I'm surprised that the Hellion single turbo kit is $6500 complete with intercooler and fuel. It even has a baseline tune.

[94cobra69ss396]

The only company I know of that has a 50 state legal turbo kit is Turbonetics but it's for the '05-'09 cars. If someone does make one though I would still suggest the supercharger over the turbo for your car. If you had an auto then I'd go with a turbo but not with the stick. My buddy went from a Magnacharger to twin turbos on his GTO and even though he's making more power the car is not as quick. He does turn a higher MPH though.

[Vettezuki]

The ford kit does maintain the warranty. It's good for 11's maybe 10's his you go with all the way with gears and LTs. The TT kit fucks the warranty. Zero fucks are given. As long as I can get past emissions.

>0 fucks may be given in the event of blowing up your engine. . . which, err, happens. :nutkick:

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Ben, I've had my share of blown motors. As long as it doesn't happen right away I would probably look at it as a opportunity to build up.

Ron, your right an SC would probably be better since its a stick car. I'm worried that the FR blower will not be enough to get the car in the tens though. Maybe I will go with a bigger blower. The hellion kit will pas the sniffer test with catalyc converters installed. It will not pass visual. I just need to get past AZ emissions which would not have visual. Hellion does have ball bearing upgraded turbos, still not enough to make up the difference.

I did read up on the new procharger variable transmission SC. It offers full boost off the line. It is super fucking expensive though.

[Vettezuki]

Are you really against spraying a boosted motor? (I admit I don't know shit about this, but people do it effectively it seems.) Certainly with the FRSC and a 150 shot (maybe less) you could pop into the tens, and still have a really streetable car. :huh:

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I thought about just spraying it to get there. Spray and boost will work, but I don't think it would be necessary. I think I would just use meth and crank up the boost. It would be much easier on the motor.

I'm thinking of the single turbo kit with the ball bearing turbos and sticky tires will get the job done for around $12k installed with a new clutch. If it doesn't then i can either must meth to add some boost/ timing or spray it to light the turbo.

Regardless step one is getting the vette going.

[Leedom]

Have you looked into a Kenne Bell Kit?

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Not too much. The bigger PD type blowers really go up in price quickly when you start getting to the bigger sizes. The Hellion single turbo kit and the FRSC are both $6500. That's a really good price for a intercooled turbo or SC. I got some time. I would love a 4 liter whipe or Kennebell blower I just got to compare the cost.

[Vettezuki]

Not too much. The bigger PD type blowers really go up in price quickly when you start getting to the bigger sizes. The Hellion single turbo kit and the FRSC are both $6500. That's a really good price for a intercooled turbo or SC. I got some time. I would love a 4 liter whipe or Kennebell blower I just got to compare the cost.

I wouldn't expect the price to jump so much given the basic construction is the same, it's just case length and rotors AIR, so it's not a cost of production issue I don't think. Then again, if it's rare but highly demanded, they can command a higher premium anyway.

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Unfortunately the price actually go up quite fast. I've had a procharger PMW old mustang. I used to get pissed because the belt would slip. It's either going to be the FRSC or the single turbo kit.

[Shaolin Crane]

I wouldn't expect the price to jump so much given the basic construction is the same, it's just case length and rotors AIR, so it's not a cost of production issue I don't think. Then again, if it's rare but highly demanded, they can command a higher premium anyway.

The veins are the reason for the cost, we have meters that are nearly identical to a PD style blower. The "next" meter up carries a 2k premium over the "lesser"

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The cost of upgrading the Turbo kit in the future would also be much less. The only reason I'm considering the SC's is because like Ron said, I think they will be quicker.

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Decided to bring this one back. Turbos are a no go. I just feel the Whipple and the KB units will give me better performance for my cost point. The Vortech, Procharger and Novi kits are all $2-3K less than the pd blowers, but the it seems that they run somewhat slower than the PD blowers. It looks like it will either be a KB 2.8lc or a whipple 2.9l. Problem is, that I cant find any hard data comparing the two. It looks like the KB has a more advanced screw design and some better cooling features, but on most forums people state the whipple has lower AITs. What do you guys think?

[Vettezuki]

Decided to bring this one back. Turbos are a no go. I just feel the Whipple and the KB units will give me better performance for my cost point. The Vortech, Procharger and Novi kits are all $2-3K less than the pd blowers, but the it seems that they run somewhat slower than the PD blowers. It looks like it will either be a KB 2.8lc or a whipple 2.9l. Problem is, that I cant find any hard data comparing the two. It looks like the KB has a more advanced screw design and some better cooling features, but on most forums people state the whipple has lower AITs. What do you guys think?

If you can't find hard data, maybe you could find enough slip data from people with otherwise identical setups to use trap speeds as a proxy. That's not great either and my guess would be that any difference you could find would not be statistically significant, but you never know. You could also pull the old calling their sales line and just tell them ,"it's between your model (a) and their model model (b), why should I buy yours?" If they have a technical applications specialist they should be able to spout off any hard differences. If you hear only spin, then the differences are probably moot. In that case, just go with the better deal you can find since it would be kind of a commodity question at that point. That's how I'd approach anyway.

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I have read a ton of threads claiming same day same time same power similar car whipple runs cooler. I just figured there would be a comparison.

[94cobra69ss396]

Found some thread on it and seems most suggest the Whipple. On one thread I found one user posted he had both, one car with a KB and another with a Whipple. Here's what he said "I have a Whipple 2.9 in my 08 GT-500 and a Kenne-bell in my 07 SGT.Feeling the need for more power in the SGT, everyone told me that Kenne was the best, so Kenne it was,Then I bought my GT-500. I went with whipple because, i got a super deal for a stage 2 package...Ive had a couple problems w/ the Kenne and their cust. support sucks and its hard to get a hold of anyone..on the other hand, no problems with the Whipple, run like a champ..Installation is a hell of alot easier too. It took me almost a day and half to drop in the K/Bell, I Spent no longer than 4 hours plus another 2 for the afco heat exchanger upgrade, for the Whipple...
It seems the the Whipple is a little quieter too. which it is a plus for me...
Here in Hawaii, Whipple seems to be more popular among the Mustang and Camaro crowd...
just my 2 cents....".

[Vettezuki]

FWIW, KB seems to have an almost universally shitty reputation for customer service. PS you could also ping Sean about this, at one point he did a ton for research (kind of his thing) AIR.

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Thanks guys. I have found a few threads stating the same thing. It's looking like a 2.9 liter whipple. Lethal performance has a 600 rwhp kit that come with an upgrade TB and CAI.

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Here is a shift. I called Creations n' Chrome and also spoke with Top flight Corvette about dropping a blower on the stand. Both shop stated that they have done installations with both whipples and KB's. Both shops recommended going with the centrifugal blowers. Creations n Chrome actually did a comparison with a vortech versus a E-force.they stated that KB and whipples are better than the eforce, but they don't overcome the advantage unless you go bigger.

'11 Mustang GT, Vortech vs. Edelbrock Supercharger comparision, - YouTube

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Vortech kit is only $5k. The difference in cost will be enough to upgrade the clutch and drive shaft. I actually am installing the rear suspension on the car today. Picked up whiteline upper control arm with BMR adjustable lower control arms and the BMR lower control arm relocation kit.

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Well the decision is finalized. Creations n' Chrome will be installing a Vortech mid February. They cut me a deal for $5999 installed with before and after dyne tunes.

[94cobra69ss396]

Congrats. So when's the installation happening? It would be cool if you could run the car at Fontana before and after the install to see what a difference the blower makes.

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install wil happen mid February. It ran a 8.9 at 86 MPH at qualcom. That was 100% stock. I will have a before and after tune. The only other power mod will be the O/R X pipe that I need to install. I will probably do the clutch at the same time.

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Things finally settled down and I was able to order the blower. As usually selecting a supercharger is a decision best made with alcohol. Ended up going with a Procharger. It will be a bit until I have enough for the required auxiliary upgrades.

[Vettezuki]

:rolling:

Congrats. I think. :judge:

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Dick

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It's like crack.

[Vettezuki]

http://cdn.avsforum.com/1/18/18b6b703_TYRONE-580x250_zpsebd10f35.jpeg

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Hmmm, I got the blower. It's bigger than I thought it would be.