GT-R Documentary - Breaking All the Rules

[Vettezuki]

Great documentary. Fascinating history. Curious to note Carlos was thinking to buy in hard to GM at one point but said no way when he discovered how much power the UAW had. He did turn around Nissan pretty amazingly. Anyway, this is about the rebirth of the GT-R on the world stage.

Nissan GTR Supercar - Breaking all the Rules - YouTube

[Shaolin Crane]

I have to say, I was pretty put off by them but my buddies car is pretty damn fun.

[Damian]

Id love to have one, but Ive always wanted an R34. The Nismo R34 is amazing.

[Vettezuki]

Aesthetically, I think the R34 is still my favorite, but the R35 has really grown on me and straight off the showroom floor with nothing done, not even new tires, it puts in some pretty crazy numbers in every category.

[Shaolin Crane]

I agree, I'd love an R34, but they're still going for stupid money.

[Vettezuki]

I agree, I'd love an R34, but they're still going for stupid money.

As far as I know the only way to get one is on a show car registry or something like that, otherwise, they're just illegal. I think a bunch of folks had theirs repoed because the importer that was doing Skylines for a while didn't know what he he was doing.

<Insert anti-government rant here.>

[Shaolin Crane]

I've seen 3 on CL in the last couple months for 20-80k

[Vettezuki]

I've seen 3 on CL in the last couple months for 20-80k

How it was imported and registered really really matters. The ones that got in via Motorex and Kaizo have been and are being repo'd.

http://www.modified.com/news/modp-1001-goverment-repos-skyline-gt-r/

[Shaolin Crane]

No clue about what and how those listings got here, all I know is that it is stupid money for that car when I'd rather have a vette.

[Vettezuki]

No clue about what and how those listings got here, all I know is that it is stupid money for that car when I'd rather have a vette.

If you could actually drive an R34 in the USSA without big brother shitting himself, it would have some exclusivity and swagger.

[Shaolin Crane]

Well, the R34 does stand for all things that is hating America :rolleyes2:

[BADDASSC6]

GTRs are not magic. They have a very good transmission and run super low gear ratios. I would still take a mildly modified Z. The real advantage is that you actually have to be skilled to drive a Z. The GTR will drive itself until pushed past the limit. I do thing that GM should offer a track specific alignment which Nissan does.

[Vettezuki]

GTRs are not magic. They have a very good transmission and run super low gear ratios. I would still take a mildly modified Z. The real advantage is that you actually have to be skilled to drive a Z. The GTR will drive itself until pushed past the limit. I do thing that GM should offer a track specific alignment which Nissan does.

Absolutely. Nissan built a very specific car for a pretty specific demographic range and it works. The tech employed is impressive and the results are undeniable. I'd like to drive one to see what it's like. What I like about my relatively light/powerful, but extremely primitive C3 is that it's just sort of a hoot to drive as you're not insulated from anything.

[BADDASSC6]

I am really disappointed that the Stingray doesn't have a dual clutch option. After the GTR was release Porsche developed the PDK, Audi's DSG was completely re- engineered, and with the Audi the Lambo gearbox obviously was re-worked. It worth a second down the quarter much more on a road coarse. I'm saving for the PPG t-56 gearset. $4700 for parts, but worth 4 seconds at VIR. Why is everything so expensive?

[Vettezuki]

I am really disappointed that the Stingray doesn't have a dual clutch option. After the GTR was release Porsche developed the PDK, Audi's DSG was completely re- engineered, and with the Audi the Lambo gearbox obviously was re-worked. It worth a second down the quarter much more on a road coarse. I'm saving for the PPG t-56 gearset. $4700 for parts, but worth 4 seconds at VIR. Why is everything so expensive?

Is it worth THAT much time? I thought maybe hundredths and tenths, which add up of course, but not seconds. That's fucking epic! Am I misunderstanding what you're talking about?

I know the LFA, which is several hundred thousand dollars was originally designed with a dual clutch, but they specifically went back to a single clutch for feel and "involvement". Since it's not a track car they thought the loss of a couple hundredths here and there wasn't a big deal.

If we're talking about a small amount of time my guess is GM made the money calculation that it was more important to keep the base price down. The value equation for Corvette is critical. Remember the base Vette is in the 50s. The GT-R is in the 90s. Even the base 911 is in the 80s.

As for your PPG gearset, it costs that much because they can get it. The only rule of pricing there is. :)

[BADDASSC6]

MTI Racing won last years UTCC and estimates a .4 second reduction in upshift time with the PPG gears. That's 1.2 seconds of acceleration that is not happening in a 1/4 mile thats 2-3 MPH. The PPG gears still require you to lift the throttle slightly. The LFA is infinitely faster than any manual except for a full dog clutch-less box. The LFA still only has one clutch so there is a finite amount of time the car spends not accelerating. The Dual-Clutch transmissions have the second clutch grab the next gear and the short gear will free-spin. This means that the lower gear is not released until the higher gear starts driving. The end result is the car is continuously accelerating. Huge difference. MTI estimated on a very large course like VIR the PPG gears are worth 4 seconds. I'd prefer to see the next generation Z or ZR1 have a truly modern transmission. Fuck the blower.

[Vettezuki]

That makes sense. I thought you meant 1 second in ET, not non-acceleartion time. That's a compared to an average shifter guy I suppose, but the guys who are hardcore about dragging get pretty ridiculously fast, power shift, etc.

Good point about the LFA, I was comparing apples to oranges.

Maybe a good step up would be a dual clutch for the Z51, since it is a premium package, and a dual clutch twin turbo for the next ZR1, since that's a flag ship. I think a pretty solid argument could be made for that in a product line up. The base remains very approachable, but it spreads out to monsters, sort of like America's Porsche . . :inout:

[Shaolin Crane]

Absolutely. Nissan built a very specific car for a pretty specific demographic range and it works. The tech employed is impressive and the results are undeniable. I'd like to drive one to see what it's like. What I like about my relatively light/powerful, but extremely primitive C3 is that it's just sort of a hoot to drive as you're not insulated from anything.

It was pretty awesome, my buddy said he may even let me take it to Adam's if he's drunk enough to say yes. :jester:

[Vettezuki]

It was pretty awesome, my buddy said he may even let me take it to Adam's if he's drunk enough to say yes. :jester:

It's a catch 22. If he drank enough to let you do that, he'd die.

[Shaolin Crane]

It's a catch 22. If he drank enough to let you do that, he'd die.

Talked to him today while he was sober and he said he's considering it. Modded GTR at Adams :drool2:

[Vettezuki]

Talked to him today while he was sober and he said he's considering it. Modded GTR at Adams :drool2:

He's probably just being polite, but if it turns out he's psychologically unstable, you give advance notice and I'll be there.

[Shaolin Crane]

He's probably just being polite, but if it turns out he's psychologically unstable, you give advance notice and I'll be there.

No, he's serious. He just wants me to take it easy so the trans doesnt go. I can drive it on surface streets, he's just hesitant about the size of adams.

[Vettezuki]

No, he's serious. He just wants me to take it easy so the trans doesnt go. I can drive it on surface streets, he's just hesitant about the size of adams.

The trans won't go, and if it does in a couple laps, it sucks. Adams is TINY, it would be purely ridiculous.

[BADDASSC6]

The AMS ALPHA GTR's Transmission broke during a online review in a few laps. That was with 2.5x factory power though.

[Vettezuki]

Yeah I wouldn't lay that at Nissan's feet. Plenty have blown up T56s with well under 2.5x power.

Cough . . .