C7 review

[BADDASSC6]

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/corvette-stingray/2014/road-test.html

Makes me want to sell the 5.0

[Damian]

Am I the only one that thinks its a bit on the ugly side?

[BADDASSC6]

Nope. You are not alone. The reality for me is that I think it's ugly, but I don't give a shit as long as its a significant improvement over the c6. I didn't think the c6 had enough change from the c5. There are a lot of improvements here.

[Damian]

Id rather keep the 5.0 than get this Vette.

[Vettezuki]

I've been watching review vids and reading about it recently. They did a hell of a good job overall in making a complete range of improvements. I'm curious to see if this helps them make penetration into Europe in particular. (Though the import tariffs make it fairly expensive compared to here.) If I'm not mistaken this is also the first generation that will have right hand drive from the factory for those markets as well. The C6 did relatively well in Japan in particular (relative to expectations).

I don't think it's ugly OTHER than the rear end. GM seems to have a hard time with tying in rear ends to an overall design. :smack: Curious to see what they do with the upstream performance models, and a next generation ZR1. Twin turbo?

[fiveohwblow]

Id rather keep the 5.0 than get this Vette.

This

[BADDASSC6]

We already went down the Stang vs Vette rat-hole. The vette is better by far at everything. I will admit that with all the mods the vette is scary on the track where the stang was a lot of fun. Even though I've made people cry in both.

[Shaolin Crane]

I like it.

[Damian]

We already went down the Stang vs Vette rat-hole. The vette is better by far at everything. I will admit that with all the mods the vette is scary on the track where the stang was a lot of fun. Even though I've made people cry in both.

The only thing is though, granted I haven't fully compared the 2, is the Mustang is probably quite a bit cheaper to modify.

[BADDASSC6]

Yes is is much cheaper to modify. No doubt about it.

[blackax]

Yes is is much cheaper to modify. No doubt about it.

Could you turn your 5.0 in to what your corvette is for the same money?

BTW I want a C7

[BADDASSC6]

Could you turn your 5.0 in to what your corvette is for the same money?

BTW I want a C7

No.

[Shaolin Crane]

That's because vette owners brag about how much they spend on parts whereas mustang owners brag about how cheap they got parts. IMO mustang owners are the ricers of the domestic world.

[blackax]

That's because vette owners brag about how much they spend on parts whereas mustang owners brag about how cheap they got parts. IMO mustang owners are the ricers of the domestic world.

Wow.....

[fiveohwblow]

Wow.....

+1.

[Vettezuki]

. . .IMO mustang owners are the ricers of the domestic world.


:jester:

[BADDASSC6]

That's because vette owners brag about how much they spend on parts whereas mustang owners brag about how cheap they got parts. IMO mustang owners are the ricers of the domestic world.

Whole lot of opinion with no facts. Pretty standard post. At least we agree that mustangs are cheaper modify. I always felt that it comes down to quality and quantity. The Maximum Motorsport (mustang standard) stuff is all tubular material with flanges while PFADT (corvette standard) is all machined or cast. Huge difference in manufacturing cost. The other major factor is production numbers and target audience. There are many more mustangs sold than corvettes and the target audience is much younger making them more likely to start tuning. The older corvette crowd will not be as likely to modify, but the ones that do will have a lot more capital.

Ask yourself, who hasn't owned and modified a mustang? What about a vette?

[Vettezuki]

http://riceorama.com/images/2009/feb/mustang_wreck.jpg

[Shaolin Crane]

Whole lot of opinion with no facts. Pretty standard post. At least we agree that mustangs are cheaper modify. I always felt that it comes down to quality and quantity. The Maximum Motorsport (mustang standard) stuff is all tubular material with flanges while PFADT (corvette standard) is all machined or cast. Huge difference in manufacturing cost. The other major factor is production numbers and target audience. There are many more mustangs sold than corvettes and the target audience is much younger making them more likely to start tuning. The older corvette crowd will not be as likely to modify, but the ones that do will have a lot more capital.

Ask yourself, who hasn't owned and modified a mustang? What about a vette?

How is any of it factual? "IMO" means my opinion. I get there are more mustangs, I get that parts are cheaper, I've been in the mustang scene a long time, been a member of countless clubs and mustang owners piss me off the most. More Chinese parts for mustangs than vettes, but every vette owner I've met at shows has said with the biggest grin on their face about the cost of their parts. I'm disgusted at how much money the 87 has in it.

[Shaolin Crane]

http://riceorama.com/images/2009/feb/mustang_wreck.jpg

Exactly

[Vettezuki]

The economic explanation is pretty simple and sort of what Carlos was hinting at. Mustangs have everything from wonderful, beautiful, expertly done modifications to . . . uh, I think you missed a spot . . with the duck tape. Vettes don't have that kind of spread. Not even in the South where they are pretty common and fairly cheap do they reach quite the same, errr, bottom. The reason is entry level price and availability. That's it. Keep going up the spectrum and you see less modification at all. How many modified Ferraris are there?

It's actually a pretty interesting sociological/economic subject.

But when I typed in American Rice Mustang and that popped up, I knew I had to pull the pin on the grenade and toss it in the room. Boooom muthafuckas!

[BADDASSC6]

How is any of it factual? "IMO" means my opinion. I get there are more mustangs, I get that parts are cheaper, I've been in the mustang scene a long time, been a member of countless clubs and mustang owners piss me off the most. More Chinese parts for mustangs than vettes, but every vette owner I've met at shows has said with the biggest grin on their face about the cost of their parts. I'm disgusted at how much money the 87 has in it.

It's all pretty factual. 68650 Mustangs sold in 2012 12,841 Corvettes were sold in the same time frame. Thats roughly 5 to 1. How many sub 1:50 mustangs do you see at California Speedway? I've seen 1. I can think of at least a dozen Corvettes that will go below 1:50 everytime.

So I basically shared a review of the C7 and stated that I am considering selling my 2013 5.0 in order to make room for the C7. I was asked if I could achieve the performance of the vette in the stang for the same money. I say no, because I haven't seen any Mustang that can hang with my vette at California Speedway. I will admit that thing would be different on another track or drag racing.

[Vettezuki]

. . . I will admit that thing would be different on another track or drag racing.

What kind of road courses would equalize towards the Mustang? I'm guessing just ones that are less "technical" and have more open stretches where power mods can help to keep up the average speed and therefore ET?

[BADDASSC6]

Flat, smooth, and no transitions. The other track is a drag racing track. Live axles are superior to IRS in a straight line.

[Shaolin Crane]

Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.

[BADDASSC6]

Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.

Maybe keep up with a Camaro that is 500lbs heavier, but it will not keep up with a equally prepared corvette. Now if you got your Max project together maybe you will prove me wrong. Probably not though.

[Shaolin Crane]

Maybe keep up with a Camaro that is 500lbs heavier, but it will not keep up with a equally prepared corvette. Now if you got your Max project together maybe you will prove me wrong. Probably not though.

Max is neither three link nor a road course car.

[Vettezuki]

Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.

Source comparing apples to apples isolating 3-link vs. IRS?

[Shaolin Crane]

Source comparing apples to apples isolating 3-link vs. IRS?

I was looking before I left for the gym, it's easy to find comparisons of mustang IRS vs 3 link mustang. Not so much others,I'll look more when I'm home.I do know that if the owner of griggs can pull a 1.29 At willow in his car(fox mustang) then there are others as well.

[Shaolin Crane]

Source comparing apples to apples isolating 3-link vs. IRS?

From fastest laps
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_gt_50.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_carrera_s.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_turbo.html

Willow Springs 1:37.60 28/64
Willow Springs 1:37.09 27/64
Willow Springs 1:38.53 39/64

I'd say that's comparable to IRS.

[Shaolin Crane]

http://www.stangtv.com/news/video-agent-47-mustang-laps-laguna-seca/

While horsepower is limited by rules to just 367 ponies, that didn’t stop Weber from lapping Laguna Seca in just a hair over 1:42, about the same time that supercars like the Nissan GT-R, the Porsche Cayman R, and the Corvette Z06

[Vettezuki]

Fastest laps is self reports so i wouldn't put much weight in those numbers one way or another. The Harbinger is a custom car weighing in at around 2,000lbs. It costs a lot, is' pretty much a track only rough as fuck car that's still slower than a ZO6 or GT-R. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but it kind of proves the point. The gucci end of the spectrum of custom stuff, is NOT hanging with off the shelf stuff with IRS in the same price range.

Now a lighting Lap with sector analysis comparing a C6 base to a current 5.0 would be interesting.

[94cobra69ss396]

I haven't seen any Mustang that can hang with my vette at California Speedway.

What was your best time with the R888 tires? What is your best time now with the new tires and what tire is it again?

[Shaolin Crane]

Fastest laps is self reports so i wouldn't put much weight in those numbers one way or another. The Harbinger is a custom car weighing in at around 2,000lbs. It costs a lot, is' pretty much a track only rough as fuck car that's still slower than a ZO6 or GT-R. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but it kind of proves the point. The gucci end of the spectrum of custom stuff, is NOT hanging with off the shelf stuff with IRS in the same price range.

Now a lighting Lap with sector analysis comparing a C6 base to a current 5.0 would be interesting.
Fine :rolleyes:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comp arison/viewall.html
Maximums 2011 BMW M3 2011Ford Mustang GT
Lap time, sec 87.67 87.76
Top speed, mph 107.7 106.8
Highest accel g 0.47 0.39
Highest braking g 0.9 0.95
Max lateral g 1.32 1.3

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comp arison/viewall.html#ixzz2aboxF47F

My point, is on a good track they're very similar. Bump roads, the IRS shines easily.

And Uhm, what? the harbinger ROLLING chassis weighs 2000lbs, so probably 2800ish with the rest of the drivetrain. I was parked next to the Agent 47 fox a few years ago at knotts and got to talk to him. The car isn't "custom" it's offered as a turn key purchase vehicle using dynacorn bodies. Also, remember that's still a 69 mustang. The fox chassis cars are faster than the harbinger chassis.

[Vettezuki]

. .My point, is on a good track they're very similar. Bump roads, the IRS shines easily.

If by good track you mean nice and smooth, nobody is really arguing this. See Carlos previously. Though apparently even the micro-margin matters to purpose built cars, perhaps because of the curb crashing they do.

[enkeivette]

We already went down the Stang vs Vette rat-hole. The vette is better by far at everything. I will admit that with all the mods the vette is scary on the track where the stang was a lot of fun. Even though I've made people cry in both.

I want to go around the track as a passenger in your C6, just once. Thats what I want for my quinceanera

[enkeivette]

Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.

Ha! And AOL dial up could probably hang with DSL if you had the right setup. But why argue technology? IRS is better.

Dump money into your setup and it can hang with an IRS I'm sure, but you're starting with a handicap. Dump money into the IRS and now it's better again.

I know I'm no racer, but I also know indy cars are not solid axles. And I also know GM, Mopar, and Ford (who know more about designing cars than you) don't waste 3 fucking cents on a car if they can do the same thing cheaper. So why IRS in the Vettes, Vipers and Cobras if solid axles are just as good?

[Vettezuki]

. . . And I also know GM, Mopar, and Ford (who know more about designing cars than you) don't waste 3 fucking cents on a car if they can do the same thing cheaper. . .

Not on purpose at least. AIR, the current Mustang was going to have an IRS, but it was going to cost a bit more than a live axle ($100/unit or something like that). So they panned it and went with the Live Axle. But they really weren't happy with the performance they were getting, so the tweaked and tweaked and updated the design and fab and by the time they were done it cost more than their originally intended IRS.

BTW, the new Mustang will have an IRS AFIK.

Solid axle IS better at somethings. It's simpler, generally lighter overall in production cars, strong as all hell, and better for straight line traction/acceleration.

It can be comparable in performance on curvy roads IF the roads are very smooth.

It simply can't hang on rougher courses all things being equal.

There are some ride quality differences as well, but that's more subjective I suppose.

[BADDASSC6]

From fastest laps
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_gt_50.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_carrera_s.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_turbo.html



I'd say that's comparable to IRS.

Not at all. The SS is a shit box that is not tune for performance driving. The same car with the 1LE suspension package crushed the Boss. The ZL1 is 2.5 seconds faster at VIR weighing more and having 100 less hp. 1.29 G is not that much. I pull more than that and have the Traqmate data to prove it. Shit with a little banking 2 Gs are not a lot.
So when was the last time you went to the track? Please remember that the question was if I could do with my mustang what I do with the vette for the same money. The answer is still no. The reasoning in your arguments is invalid. It's time to stop typing and go spend some time on the track so you can confirm what you read online with real life experience.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2013-hot-cars-hot-track-hot-laps-feature-lightning-lap-2013-results-and-sector-times-page-8

[enkeivette]

Getting ready to move this to the grudge match section :) I'll sit shotgun in Carlos' car to make sure he doesn't use nitrous.

[enkeivette]

I had no idea cars were pulling that much over a G nowadays, last time I picked up a car and driver the Viper ruled the road at 1 lateral G.

[Shaolin Crane]

Not at all. The SS is a shit box that is not tune for performance driving. The same car with the 1LE suspension package crushed the Boss. The ZL1 is 2.5 seconds faster at VIR weighing more and having 100 less hp. 1.29 G is not that much. I pull more than that and have the Traqmate data to prove it. Shit with a little banking 2 Gs are not a lot.
So when was the last time you went to the track? Please remember that the question was if I could do with my mustang what I do with the vette for the same money. The answer is still no. The reasoning in your arguments is invalid. It's time to stop typing and go spend some time on the track so you can confirm what you read online with real life experience.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2013-hot-cars-hot-track-hot-laps-feature-lightning-lap-2013-results-and-sector-times-page-8

Still missing the part where I said you could :huh:

[Shaolin Crane]

Not at all. The SS is a shit box that is not tune for performance driving. The same car with the 1LE suspension package crushed the Boss. The ZL1 is 2.5 seconds faster at VIR weighing more and having 100 less hp. 1.29 G is not that much. I pull more than that and have the Traqmate data to prove it. Shit with a little banking 2 Gs are not a lot.
So when was the last time you went to the track? Please remember that the question was if I could do with my mustang what I do with the vette for the same money. The answer is still no. The reasoning in your arguments is invalid. It's time to stop typing and go spend some time on the track so you can confirm what you read online with real life experience.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2013-hot-cars-hot-track-hot-laps-feature-lightning-lap-2013-results-and-sector-times-page-8
A stock 5.0 is more optimized for the track than a porsche? Please.

[enkeivette]

Still missing the part where I said you could :huh:
...
Its been proven time and again that a proper three link on a mustang can hang with an IRS.

[Shaolin Crane]

...

Like Carlos, you misunderstood. I just prefer to let it go out long than it needs to. My post was supplementive to the one above. No where did I say it could be done for the same money.

[BADDASSC6]

http://www.stangtv.com/news/video-agent-47-mustang-laps-laguna-seca/

Race car 1000 lbs lighter than a z 1500 lighter than a GTR sticky tires, track specific alignment, and race-car stiff suspension. Your logic is still flawed.

[BADDASSC6]

A stock 5.0 is more optimized for the track than a porsche? Please.

Boxer, Yes. Cayman, Yes. Cayenne, Yes. 911 S, I doubt it. The test had to be done on different days with different conditions or with different drivers.

[BADDASSC6]

What was your best time with the R888 tires? What is your best time now with the new tires and what tire is it again?

Hoosier R6 (still a DOT tire) 1:49 18/275 front 19/315 rear
R888 (full tread depth) 1:52 18/275 from 19/295 rear
-Both tires are DOT approved and not true Gumball slicks-

These times were run with NO aero modifications on factory base model calipers with Hawk Blue pads and DBA rotors. Full weight as the car came from the factory. The car had more in it, on the hoosiers. I didn't change the alignment at all when switching to the stickier rubber which resulted in me cording the outside edge of the front left tire.
Next time out I added the Wilwood brakes, a lot of chamber, swapped out the rear sway bar and took the front bar to a higher stiffness setting. To many changes at once spun in the first session which resulted in flat spotting both rear tires bad enough to kill the day.

Fastest 5.0 lap was a 2:02. 100% stock!

[enkeivette]

Like Carlos, you misunderstood. I just prefer to let it go out long than it needs to. My post was supplementive to the one above. No where did I say it could be done for the same money.

I think you just realized you were wrong and now you're clinging to semantics because you don't like to admit you're wrong. IMHO :p

[BADDASSC6]

We can do a all mustang track day. Any takers? The vette won't be ready until late fall, but I can put some of the old vette tires on the stang to play.

[fiveohwblow]

We can do a all mustang track day. Any takers? The vette won't be ready until late fall, but I can put some of the old vette tires on the stang to play.

Now this I like... Wish I lived closer...

[94cobra69ss396]

We can do a all mustang track day. Any takers? The vette won't be ready until late fall, but I can put some of the old vette tires on the stang to play.

I'm up for it but I need a lot of time. I still need to get the meth injection, new track tires, new brake pads and rebuild my calipers. I won't be able to do it until probably next year.

[Shaolin Crane]

I think you just realized you were wrong and now you're clinging to semantics because you don't like to admit you're wrong. IMHO :p

Nope, go back and read, slowly, read my post, the read the post above, then re-read.

[enkeivette]

Nope, go back and read, slowly, read my post, the read the post above, then re-read.

I know you can't be pinned down to what you said, semantically. But I'm also fairly certain that you meant a solid axle is as good as IRS. Why else would you have allowed an argument to develop? Rather than just immediately clarifying what you meant.

But either way, IRS > 3 Link. Glad we are all on the same page :) :p

[fiveohwblow]

I know you can't be pinned down to what you said, semantically. But I'm also fairly certain that you meant a solid axle is as good as IRS. Why else would you have allowed an argument to develop? Rather than just immediately clarifying what you meant.

But either way, IRS > 3 Link. Glad we are all on the same page :) :p

Irs is pure shit and I am modifying it on my BMW's as we speak. I'm modifying them to have transverse leaf springs.

[Shaolin Crane]

I know you can't be pinned down to what you said, semantically. But I'm also fairly certain that you meant a solid axle is as good as IRS. Why else would you have allowed an argument to develop? Rather than just immediately clarifying what you meant.

But either way, IRS > 3 Link. Glad we are all on the same page :) :p

I've said it a dozen times in multiple threads. On a prepped track, a three link can keep up with an IRS.

[enkeivette]

I've said it a dozen times in multiple threads. On a prepped track, a three link can keep up with an IRS.

Ya, and a properly prepped IRS can keep up with a solid axle in a drag race. Who gives a shit? A solid axle is still the better platform for drag racing. I hope that wasnt the point you were trying to make

[enkeivette]

Irs is pure shit and I am modifying it on my BMW's as we speak. I'm modifying them to have transverse leaf springs.

Lol, youre a sly bastard

[Vettezuki]

Irs is pure shit and I am modifying it on my BMW's as we speak. I'm modifying them to have transverse leaf springs.

A transverse composite monoleaf would definitely help cut down the weight on that tub of guts.

[Shaolin Crane]

Ya, and a properly prepped IRS can keep up with a solid axle in a drag race. Who gives a shit? A solid axle is still the better platform for drag racing. I hope that wasnt the point you were trying to make

I got exactly what I tried for.

[fiveohwblow]

Lol, youre a sly bastard

:D

And for the record it's 3100 lbs. she's not that heavy.

[BADDASSC6]

I'm up for it but I need a lot of time. I still need to get the meth injection, new track tires, new brake pads and rebuild my calipers. I won't be able to do it until probably next year.

Just remember that my car will be 100% stock!

[94cobra69ss396]

I'm not looking to beat you in your Mustang, I'm going to try and get close to what you ran in your Vette with the R888. I'll be running the same brake pads (Hawk Blue) with stock Cobra brakes, NT01 which are similar to the R888 (275 front and 315 rear) and the only suspension I have are lower control arms, springs and a panhard bar.

My best the one time I did the Roval was a 2:02 but that was on 245s all the way around and I found out that my rear brakes weren't working. I was also running Hawk HPS pads. The car stops a lot better after I fixed that and they still need the calipers rebuilt so I think they will work even better. That was also with me and my buddy in the car which brings the weight to 3850 lbs.

[Vettezuki]

And a bit less power than now too right?

[94cobra69ss396]

Yes, I ran the car on the pump gas tune which was 429rwhp and 387rwtq. I'll still be running the pump gas tune but it now makes 467rwhp and 490rwtq. That 100 extra rwtq should help.

[Vettezuki]

Yes, I ran the car on the pump gas tune which was 429rwhp and 387rwtq. I'll still be running the pump gas tune but it now makes 467rwhp and 490rwtq. That 100 extra rwtq should help.

I think the 1:52 he ran was with the previous motor, which AIR, was about 465WHP in the Vette. You definitely have more power under the curve with those torque figures, but you a few hundred pounds heavier at race weight I suppose. You should be able to approach it. I say 1:54.5~

Whattaya say Carlos?

[BADDASSC6]

10 Seconds is a lot of time to drop and a 1:52 is very fast for anything. Thats faster than most GTS and most Z06 both with Hoosiers. Please let me know when you decide to go. I will even drive it for you when you get scared!

[94cobra69ss396]

You're funny!

[Vettezuki]

10 Seconds is a lot of time to drop and a 1:52 is very fast for anything. Thats faster than most GTS and most Z06 both with Hoosiers. Please let me know when you decide to go. I will even drive it for you when you get scared!

The only time I've been a little unsettled in a car was at Adams with Ron driving the Cobra. Dude is not right in the head. He was the fastest of everything there in every session.

I think you're right. Hard to imagine reaching a 1:52, but mid 1:50s, yeah.

[94cobra69ss396]

I know I won't be able to get a 1:52. Realistically I'm thinking that I'll run around a 1:58 or maybe a 1:57 at most. My Cobra has stock brakes, somewhat stock suspension and weighs more than a stock Cobra due to the entertainment system. The only thing I really have over a stock Cobra is power but I still want to try to see how close I can get to his mighty Vette when equiped with equivalent tires.

Carlos, did you ever run your Mustang on the Roval? What times did you put down in it and what did it have done to it? I thought I remember you saying you did suspension and brakes upgrades.

[Shaolin Crane]

I know I won't be able to get a 1:52. Realistically I'm thinking that I'll run around a 1:58 or maybe a 1:57 at most. My Cobra has stock brakes, somewhat stock suspension and weighs more than a stock Cobra due to the entertainment system. The only thing I really have over a stock Cobra is power but I still want to try to see how close I can get to his mighty Vette when equiped with equivalent tires.

Carlos, did you ever run your Mustang on the Roval? What times did you put down in it and what did it have done to it? I thought I remember you saying you did suspension and brakes upgrades.

Our cars are pretty much identical. Same brakes, springs, suspension and probably similar weight now, maybe a couple hundred pounds lighter. I have the HP advantage but you have the TQ advantage. Though I can only fit 245-275's on mine.

[BADDASSC6]

I know I won't be able to get a 1:52. Realistically I'm thinking that I'll run around a 1:58 or maybe a 1:57 at most. My Cobra has stock brakes, somewhat stock suspension and weighs more than a stock Cobra due to the entertainment system. The only thing I really have over a stock Cobra is power but I still want to try to see how close I can get to his mighty Vette when equiped with equivalent tires.

Carlos, did you ever run your Mustang on the Roval? What times did you put down in it and what did it have done to it? I thought I remember you saying you did suspension and brakes upgrades.

I ran my mustang as stated in the previous post. I ran a 2:02 with two big ass dudes in the car (+250) so we were pushing 4000 lbm. It was a "stock GT" obviously since its a car I bought it has all the important options. This was also done with the alignment off the show room floor.
-recaro seats: felt planted. Normally I have to sing h my harness down hard on the vette or else I will use the steering wheel to brace myself in turns which makes you inputs jerky and slow.
-track package: 3.73 gears, upgraded radiator ( the boss unit), brembo front brake (not sure if they have a more aggressive pad or not), upgraded to 19" Pirrelli tire, and the torsen differential.

The 5.0 worked great right out of the box on the track. I was shocked on how much of a difference the differential made. The car really rotates well. I had to tune out some push in my corvette, but the stang turns in no problem. When the budget allows I will be installing one on the Vette.

[94cobra69ss396]

I didn't mean your new one, didn't you have a '96 or something before the Vette that you use to race?

[BADDASSC6]

I didn't mean your new one, didn't you have a '96 or something before the Vette that you use to race?

Oops. My old 96 was a 4.6L 2v with PI heads and a Procharger p1sc. It had KYB adjustable shocks, Eibach sport springs, Steeda chamber kit, maximum Motorsport upper and lower control arms, a panhardbar also from M&M, and 4.10 gears. It would put down about 430 to the wheels for about six months before that peice of shit 2v would explode. It was the first car that I really got to tuning so there were a lot of problems with it. I did some autocross events and ran it one time at the course in firebird raceway. I did do a lot of drag racing with it and some bracket racing at firebird and speedworld. I even did some of my own tuning using EEC tuner. Those were the real crazy days. I actually told myself that I would never buy another Ford again. I guess time heals all.

So my first real taste of road racing was with Formula SAE. We built a car and competed in 2002.

[Vettezuki]

Just saw some more reviews and tests of the C7 Z51. Except for the weird ass turning rev matching on/off with what look exactly like shift paddles, they pretty much knocked it out of the park. Considering that if you bump up interior as well you're still only at $65k~ and Porsche is just considering a reduced base 911 which wouldn't hold a candle to the Z51 for over $70k, I'd say they done good. Real gud. Can't to see where they go for a ZO6 and ZR1 level on the C7 platform.

[enkeivette]

Ron are you talking about the Cobra? You think it will hang with a C6? Can those cars handle really well?