LA sheriffs raid speed/welding shops

[injdinjn]

http://https://local.nixle.com/alert/4979968/ (http://local.nixle.com/alert/4979968/)

[blackax]

So they raided a welding shop because they sell Nitrous? WTF?

[Vettezuki]

There's been a big crack down on Nitrous as part of the WOD.

[injdinjn]

just another excuse for warrantless searches.

[joedls]

just another excuse for warrantless searches.

What makes you think they were warrantless.

[injdinjn]

The customers that happened to drive up while the raid was in progress. Did the cops know those particular customers were going to arrive and had warrants for them?

[joedls]

The customers that happened to drive up while the raid was in progress. Did the cops know those particular customers were going to arrive and had warrants for them?

From what I read, there was only 1 customer arrested. The report said that "evidence suggested to uniformed sheriff’s deputies that a person who arrived in a car to buy nitrous oxide may have narcotics." I don't know what that evidence was. It may have been nothing. It also sounds to me like the guy could have been dumb enough to let the cops search his trunk. If the cops truly had evidence and the guy didn't let them search, they would have waited for a warrant anyway. Or maybe the guy didn't let them search the trunk and they did wait for a warrant. Too much we don't know to assume the cops carried out an illegal search.

[Damian]

What amazes me the most is how many shops allegedly don't know how to store nitrous bottles properly. It's super simple, stand them up, put them up against a wall and strap them to the wall with a chain so they can't fall over.

All of these shops really can't be selling nitrous illegally as a drug. There really can't be that many idiots running these shops that do that, can there??

[injdinjn]

Cops will intimidate someone into allowing a warrantless search. Can they hold you until a warrant arrives - no.
Cops will arrest for the highest crime they can come up with, then the DA reviews the evidence and most of the time the case is dropped or knocked down a minor offense.
This was some kind of "dog and pony" show, why? I have no idea. I do know the cops, thanks to the Patriot Act, are pushing the limits of their powers on the public, testing to see what they can do to us before we bite back.

[Vettezuki]

Most people are not aware of the actual limits on Police power. . . uh, including police, and that's where it gets dangerous because they simply ARE NOT held to the same, let alone, harsher standard than the rest of the public.

Nevertheless, the more people who understand and use their rights (along with not taking pleas and nullifying on juries for non-violent crimes, etc.) the better.

www.flexyourrights.org/

[94cobra69ss396]

What I don't understand is how are they selling nitrous for recreational use? I thought you had to have a medical license to purchase medical grade nitrous. Nitrous for racing has sulfur dioxide in it which will make them sick.

[Vettezuki]

Interesting. I didn't know that Nitrous was "denatured", but makes sense if alcohol is.

[joedls]

Can they hold you until a warrant arrives - no.
.

I have to disagree with you on this one. If the cops have "evidence" that leads them to believe you have drugs in your trunk and you don't give them permission to search, they will hold you until thet get a warrant and search your trunk. I know this from firsthand experience. In my youth, I was arrested in 8 different states so I have a little experience with law enforcement. Never been arrested in CA though so maybe it's a little different here.

[Vettezuki]

I have to disagree with you on this one. If the cops have "evidence" that leads them to believe you have drugs in your trunk and you don't give them permission to search, they will hold you until thet get a warrant and search your trunk.

They don't need a warrant if they have probable cause. The second they ask to search, they're admitting they do NOT have probable cause. Say no. Then ask, "am I being detained." Then they'll probably get kinda pissed and say no. Then say thank you and be on your way.

[joedls]

They don't need a warrant if they have probable cause. The second they ask to search, they're admitting they do NOT have probable cause. Say no. Then ask, "am I being detained." Then they'll probably get kinda pissed and say no. Then say thank you and be on your way.

That's nice in theory. I was surrounded by cops when I left a dealer's house. I wouldn't give them permission to search my car. They put me in the back of their car and waited for another cop to show up with a warrant about an hour later. After the search I was hauled off to jail.

[Vettezuki]

They had the "right" to detain based on the information you were leaving a known dealer's house (by the sound of it). Getting a warrant was just to solidify their case and make it harder to have thrown out in court. If they search without a warrant on probable cause, which they can do, it's a little more vulnerable to being contested in court by a good defense attorney. At least this is my understanding.

enkei?

[joedls]

They had the "right" to detain based on the information you were leaving a known dealer's house (by the sound of it). Getting a warrant was just to solidify their case and make it harder to have thrown out in court. If they search without a warrant on probable cause, which they can do, it's a little more vulnerable to being contested in court by a good defense attorney. At least this is my understanding.

enkei?

I'm sure you're right. I had been under investigation for almost 2 years at that time. They were after me.

But the point I was making was that cops have detained me while waiting on a warrant to arrive.