Hi everyone! New member

[Phantom_CEO]

What's up everyone!

My name is Chris. I have a shop in Socal called Phantom Garage USA.
I've been along time car enthusiast loving almost all makes and models.

I personally have a second gen Lexus GS that is under going the knife pretty soon (NA-T).

Here's a pic of my Lexus

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/602604_10152246026340058_1897860568_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/295233_10152032976100058_247760664_n.jpg


and here's what it used to look like:

(19x9 +15 19x10.5 +20)
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/13759_318627685057_5621525_n.jpg

(20x9.5 +20 20x12+0)
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/165655_10150364658125058_5101586_n.jpg

(20x10 +5 20x13+0)
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/29944_10150185038215058_910863_n.jpg

[Shaolin Crane]

This is my "adopted" brother y'all, make him feel at home.


























Fag.

[fiveohwblow]

Whalecum

[94cobra69ss396]

Welcome.

[blackax]

Welcome here is a hint don't hang around with guy....

[Vettezuki]

Welcome aboard.

I must however inform you, you are hella close to hella flush. :smack:

[Shaolin Crane]

Yeah, kinda what he was going for. :smack:

[Phantom_CEO]

Yeah, kinda what he was going for. :smack:

LMAO!!! i guess i'm the only one here that's into stretched tires, credit card fitments, and negative camber

[Shaolin Crane]

LMAO!!! i guess i'm the only one here that's into stretched tires, credit card fitments, and negative camber

Not the ONLY one, but probably the only one who admits it.

[fiveohwblow]

Stretched tires: HATE HATE HATE
Credit card fitment: love. Moar low.
Negative camber: ill just pass you.

[Shaolin Crane]

I have negative camber

















On the race car.

[fiveohwblow]

I have negative camber

















On the race car.

My dd has it also.... Because race dd :D

[Phantom_CEO]

i doubt you guys go that extreme on the camber... -6 degrees and up


sometimes i need to run a 265/30 on a 13" wide wheel

[Vettezuki]

i doubt you guys go that extreme on the camber... -6 degrees and up


sometimes i need to run a 265/30 on a 13" wide wheel

That shit is whack yo!

[Leedom]

Welcome aboard. I have to admit that when I say your pics I did throw-up a little in my mouth.

[Vettezuki]

To be fair though, Leedom does that a lot.

[Phantom_CEO]

it's all good. everyone has different taste in cars and mods.

My next setup is actually going to be a bit easier on the eye, maybe.. LOL!

im doing a 2" widebody in the rear to accommodate a 18x12 on a 295/35 tire with roughly about -3* camber.

and going to do a turbo setup on it too.

[blackax]

That is one nice things about use here. We may not always like something 100% but we accept it. We are all car people, We can learn a lot from different car genres.

You may be in to different things then most people on here but I enjoy looking and reading up about different stuff its the only way you get ideas to make our own cars better.

[Shaolin Crane]

We welcome all styles and all brands here at MG

[blackax]

I still dont like fords!!!!

[N8Dogg98]

I still dont like fords!!!!

Fords didn't like you first :p




:D

[Shaolin Crane]

I still dont like fords!!!!

And I still don't like you.

And the world goes 'round...

[Shaolin Crane]

Fords didn't like you first :p




:D

He's just mad that the upgrade for his caddy is a ford rear end.

Just sayin'

[Vettezuki]

I have nothing but love in my heart for everyone and everything.


Sorta . . .

[Shaolin Crane]

I have nothing but love in my heart for everyone and everything.


Sorta . . .

Obama and general motors love you too

[Vettezuki]

Obama and general motors love you too

They love my money, that's for sure.

[fiveohwblow]

They love our money, that's for sure.

FTFY

[BADDASSC6]

i doubt you guys go that extreme on the camber... -6 degrees and up


sometimes i need to run a 265/30 on a 13" wide wheel

Why?

[Shaolin Crane]

Why?

Because everyone has different tastes in autosports.

[BADDASSC6]

Because everyone has different tastes in autosports.

I think the realm of autosports has been vacated for fashion. I run 3.2 degrees of chamber at Cal Speedway and 2-2.5 everywhere else. I can't see any advantage so running a small tire on such a wide rim. Again, I run 315 on a 11" wide rim. Remember I am the guy that thinks drifting is ballet on wheels and not a real sport.:nutkick:

[Vettezuki]

I think the realm of autosports has been vacated for fashion. I run 3.2 degrees of chamber at Cal Speedway and 2-2.5 everywhere else. I can't see any advantage so running a small tire on such a wide rim. Again, I run 315 on a 11" wide rim. Remember I am the guy that thinks drifting is ballet on wheels and not a real sport.:nutkick:

It's more like figure skating. :drink:

[Shaolin Crane]

Before you knock either try going a full day doing one. You'd be surprised at how many "men" couldn't do an hour of ballet.

[Shaolin Crane]

I think the realm of autosports has been vacated for fashion. I run 3.2 degrees of chamber at Cal Speedway and 2-2.5 everywhere else. I can't see any advantage so running a small tire on such a wide rim. Again, I run 315 on a 11" wide rim. Remember I am the guy that thinks drifting is ballet on wheels and not a real sport.:nutkick:

Modifying your car for any reason is typically considered autosports. Whether it's your taste or not. I don't care for drag racing, doesn't mean anything though.

[Vettezuki]

Before you knock either try going a full day doing one. You'd be surprised at how many "men" couldn't do an hour of ballet.

Not a chance. Those dancers are serious athletes and tough as nails.

[Vettezuki]

Modifying your car for any reason is typically considered autosports. Whether it's your taste or not. I don't care for drag racing, doesn't mean anything though.

I don't think low-riders would consider themselves as having anything to do with auto sports. :huh: Just semantics though. If it covers everything for you, then so be it. I tend to thinnk of anything involving driving and competing, so i'd say drifting, ralley, gymkana, are all part of auto-sports, but pure aesthetics or thingstargeted to just cruising around like low-riders to not part of auto-sports.

[fiveohwblow]

I don't think low-riders would consider themselves as having anything to do with auto sports. :huh: Just semantics though. If it covers everything for you, then so be it. I tend to thinnk of anything involving driving and competing, so i'd say drifting, ralley, gymkana, are all part of auto-sports, but pure aesthetics or thingstargeted to just cruising around like low-riders to not part of auto-sports.

I would say its any modification along with competing. That's how I define it. Therefore, I also consider drifting an automotive sport, though I've never competed. I've been to two sanctioned drifting events and enjoyed myself.

[Vettezuki]

I would say its any modification along with competing. That's how I define it. Therefore, I also consider drifting an automotive sport, though I've never competed. I've been to two sanctioned drifting events and enjoyed myself.

I don't know what modification has to do with competing. Some racing is bone stock. Other racing is purpose built racing cars (e.g., F1) so it's hard to call them modified. Hence driving + competing = motor sport. I'm not making any value claim, only stating my definition.

BTW, Phantom, virtually every thread on MG gets hijacked. . .

[fiveohwblow]

I don't know what modification has to do with competing. Some racing is bone stock. Other racing is purpose built racing cars (e.g., F1) so it's hard to call them modified. Hence driving + competing = motor sport. I'm not making any value claim, only stating my definition.

BTW, Phantom, virtually every thread on MG gets hijacked. . .

My point was this, not eliminating what is obvious competition, but when it becomes gray area. I.e audio competitions, drifting etc etc. many purists don't recognize these things as automotive motor sports, but IMO they are.

Racing on a track whether modified or not seems a no brainer...

[Shaolin Crane]

Just conveyed my thoughts exactly, Going to a car show and competing for an award is no different. Sure some might win because they're race cars or some could just be very clean well built cars

[Vettezuki]

Just conveyed my thoughts exactly, Going to a car show and competing for an award is no different. Sure some might win because they're race cars or some could just be very clean well built cars

There is no action between agents. It would be like saying a photo competition, or even more oddly, a mere photo exhibit is a sport, whereas "sport" clearly implies physical action AND competition.

sport
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

Drift as sport? No problem.

[Shaolin Crane]

There is no action between agents. It would be like saying a photo competition, or even more oddly, a mere photo exhibit is a sport, whereas "sport" clearly implies physical action AND competition.

sport
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

Drift as sport? No problem.

So a dude who builds a 69 Boss. Makes 800hp and NEVER races the car, just does cruise ins and car shows isn't a participant in autosports lifestyle?

[BADDASSC6]

So a dude who builds a 69 Boss. Makes 800hp and NEVER races the car, just does cruise ins and car shows isn't a participant in autosports lifestyle?

Fuck no.

[Vettezuki]

Fuck no.

Concur.

He's a participant in the car hobby. Not auto-sports.

[Shaolin Crane]

Concur.

He's a participant in the car hobby. Not auto-sports.
So then Adam is not part of autosports then?

[Vettezuki]

So then Adam is not part of autosports then?

No. And while I've made dozens of passes at the strip, I haven't done it in years now. I'd consider myself pure "car hobby" or "automotive enthusiast"; nothing at all like Carlos. In fact I'd say he's the only one here that I can think of who is truly into autos ports as a participant per se, at least of the top of my head. Ron is somewhat having joined the whatever race series that is for drag, and participating. Jerry is getting into it with his Vette. I'm not arguing values here, just definitions.

[Shaolin Crane]

No. And while I've made dozens of passes at the strip, I haven't done it in years now. I'd consider myself pure "car hobby" or "automotive enthusiast"; nothing at all like Carlos. In fact I'd say he's the only one here that I can think of who is truly into autos ports as a participant per se, at least of the top of my head. Ron is somewhat having joined the whatever race series that is for drag, and participating. Jerry is getting into it with his Vette. I'm not arguing values here, just definitions.

I'll have to disagree then, if you race your car, in any way, sanctioned or not, it's auto sports. Plenty of people play basketball at the gym without being part of a team or league and its still considered playing.

[fiveohwblow]

I'll have to disagree then, if you race your car, in any way, sanctioned or not, it's auto sports. Plenty of people play basketball at the gym without being part of a team or league and its still considered playing.

Agree. Perfect analogy.

[Vettezuki]

I'll have to disagree then, if you race your car, in any way, sanctioned or not, it's auto sports. Plenty of people play basketball at the gym without being part of a team or league and its still considered playing.

You didn't say anything about Adam or any other guy "street racing" just implying possession of X.

Street racing meets the definition of applying a skill in competition as previously mentioned. It meets the basic definition at least. Some might argue more narrowly on whether it's sanctioned and more thoroughly organized, but it at least meets the basic requirements.

Does a person who merely owns a basketball and hoop play basketball? No. Does a person who owns a basketball and hoop and shoots hoops by themselves play basketball? No. Does a person who does canyon carving participate in motor sports? No. In none of these cases is there any sport . . . if the word sport is to have an sensible consistent meaning anyway.

If a word becomes so broad in application it no longer delineates categories it becomes a useless word.

But if you want to say street racing is a motor-sport of sorts I wouldn't argue.

[94cobra69ss396]

I disagree Ben. If I go to Adams Motorsport Park and run the Cobra and compete against myself to improve on my personal time is that not competing in motorsports? It may not be at a professional level but that's like saying anyone who doesn't play basketball in the NBA is not playing basketball.

[Vettezuki]

I disagree Ben. If I go to Adams Motorsport Park and run the Cobra and compete against myself to improve on my personal time is that not competing in motorsports? It may not be at a professional level but that's like saying anyone who doesn't play basketball in the NBA is not playing basketball.


I didn't say anything about professional. I even said street racing and drift are reasonably within motorsports.

At Adams you're being timed against yourself and others on a track. Fine to call that motorsports obviously. It's called Adams Motorsports Park for a sensible reason.

Where I disagree is mere possession of a "bad ass" car or whatever does not equal participation in motorsports.

[blackax]

I think that what we do is part of "Auto Sports" Yes it might not be 100% to the letter of the definition of what a sport may be. But people spend so much time and effort in what we do, We fix are cars, Make them go faster, Make them look better. This is the same as going down to the local gym and playing basketball.

[Vettezuki]

I think that what we do is part of "Auto Sports" Yes it might not be 100% to the letter of the definition of what a sport may be. But people spend so much time and effort in what we do, We fix are cars, Make them go faster, Make them look better. This is the same as going down to the local gym and playing basketball.

It's the same as going down to the local gym and playing basketball if you go down to Adams or Fontana and run your car. Effort and cost are irrelevant to the definition.

[blackax]

I didn't say anything about professional. I even said street racing and drift are reasonably within motorsports.

At Adams you're being timed against yourself and others on a track. Fine to call that motorsports obviously. It's called Adams Motorsports Park for a sensible reason.

Where I disagree is mere possession of a "bad ass" car or whatever does not equal participation in motorsports.

How is it any different then someone spending time on making there car look/drive/handle better?

[BADDASSC6]

I think that what we do is part of "Auto Sports" Yes it might not be 100% to the letter of the definition of what a sport may be. But people spend so much time and effort in what we do, We fix are cars, Make them go faster, Make them look better. This is the same as going down to the local gym and playing basketball.

Playing basketball is a sport with quantitative points of assessment. You analogy would be better if you said its like going to the gym and doing curls to make you arms look bigger. However, doing curls would actually make your arms stronger. Hellaflush is like injecting your arms with botox. They will look bigger, but they will be weak as Shit and there is a huge amount of risk for no gain. The car looks cool and I hope he makes tons of money with his automotive skills and lives the dream. It genius! You can get paid for coilovers chamber kits time and tires, then boom you can hit the same guy for a set of tires every two months. Ballet.

[blackax]

Playing basketball is a sport with quantitative points of assessment. You analogy would be better if you said its like going to the gym and doing curls to make you arms look bigger. However, doing curls would actually make your arms stronger. Hellaflush is like injecting your arms with botox. They will look bigger, but they will be weak as Shit and there is a huge amount of risk for no gain. The car looks cool and I hope he makes tons of money with his automotive skills and lives the dream. It genius! You can get paid for coilovers chamber kits time and tires, then boom you can hit the same guy for a set of tires every two months. Ballet.

Car shows do have "quantitative points of assessment" and not just the "Hellaflush" ones but the really really nice ones.

It is instantly hard to put a car back to stock 50 year on. It can take many years to make a car factory fresh. Same can be said for lowing a car, or changing the camber and what not.
Just because they don't race the car's doesn't mean they aren't part autosports.

Not putting time and money into that kind of stuff isn't my thing. But I do respect it as part of what we do.

[Vettezuki]

How is it any different then someone spending time on making there car look/drive/handle better?

Words mean things.

Sport

Noun
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

[Vettezuki]

I think some are getting a little butthurt over the idea of refusing to call X a motorsport. It's completely value neutral, I don't give a good goddamn if someone only restores Model Ts or only races Miatas, both or neither. I just don't call restoring Model Ts autosport any more than I call racing a Miata restoration.

Don't confuse values and definitions!

[C5Natie]

To each their own, we are all car guys. BUT please dont call cars like hella flush and lowriders, autosports or motorsports. Thats only for cars built, made or moddified to improve the performance of the vehicle or to improve a performance characteristic. Maybe its going in a straight line, corners or rally off road. All these other "fashions" are the opposite, they are detrimental to peformance and even unsafe. I think thats why some gear heads like us cant except them. Why spend money to make your car slower or handle worse? Thats how we think, we dont care if it has show if it has no go.

As for the basketball analogy, I played and play a lot of ball. HS college and some semi pro stuff. You can have all the gear and look like a ball palyer but it doesnt make you one. I always see guys with $150 shoes and matching outfits that can make a layup without hurting themselves. Your skills define you as a player.Same with a car, it can look the part but does it deliver...all within their means of course.

[Shaolin Crane]

I didn't say anything about professional. I even said street racing and drift are reasonably within motorsports.

At Adams you're being timed against yourself and others on a track. Fine to call that motorsports obviously. It's called Adams Motorsports Park for a sensible reason.

Where I disagree is mere possession of a "bad ass" car or whatever does not equal participation in motorsports.

You're implying that Chris only makes his car to look good. That he never drives it, what he does is autosports, period. He'll dyno his car eventually, which will compete directly against other cars in his class. He'll race it, i'm sure of because I won't allow him to not do so.


Sport doesn't have to be competing, any exertion that requires improvement IMO.

[C5Natie]

I think some are getting a little butthurt over the idea of refusing to call X a motorsport. It's completely value neutral, I don't give a good goddamn if someone only restores Model Ts or only races Miatas, both or neither. I just don't call restoring Model Ts autosport any more than I call racing a Miata restoration.

Don't confuse values and definitions!

Yup. The car hobby and autosports are two different things. The car hobby cover a very vast area and you can say that autosports is under it but there are many car hobbies that have nothing to do with performance, like hella flush in this case. So its not a autosport.

[blackax]

Words mean things.

Sport

Noun
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.


And it takes skill to modify a car, And people can compete at car shows for awards. So in my mind it is an autosport.

[Vettezuki]

And it takes skill to modify a car, And people can compete at car shows for awards. So in my mind it is an autosport.

Car shows are beauty pageants for cars.

[Shaolin Crane]

Beauty pageants are competitions thus making them a sport.

[Vettezuki]

Boxxy - Trollin' Loop - YouTube

[fiveohwblow]

Boxxy - Trollin' Loop - YouTube

Wtf dude

[Chuck]

:iagree:

[Vettezuki]

I figured as soon as Guy suggested beauty pageants were a sport because they involved competition that he was just trollin. So I brought Boxxy out from the way back machine.

[Shaolin Crane]

Maybe, maybe no. You're the one who brought out the definition of sport. Beauty pageant would fit that bill.

[Phantom_CEO]

holy shit.... All i have to say is damn... iDied! haha

those that do not like my type of styling on my cars, it's not a big deal. everyone has different taste. if we all built cars the same way, it would be pretty boring.

I personally have done work on some other stylings as well. for example a 715hp Mercedes C63 AMG widebody which was recently featured on PAS magazine. Or a 800HP Toyota Supra which won Castrol's top challenge.

like they say, "to each their own"

but for those who tells me that putting small tires and wide wheels and being "hellaflush" is only for looks; i've helped build a 1993 Lexus GS300 with a 2JZ-GTE, single turbo, Turbonetics GTK-650, all custom work done on 21x10 (F) 21x13 (R) on -13 degrees camber with over 600 to the wheels And we take it out to Irwindale speedway, Willow Springs, etc.

also built a 2000 Lexus GS300 with a 2JZ-GTE VVT-i also with a single turbo and amenities on 21x11 (f) 21x14 (r) doing roughly 750hp that we've tracked and enjoyed.

different strokes for different folks. just because my car is 1" off the ground doesnt mean i'm driving 5mph. you guys can ask Shaolin Crane, i've sparked my car on the freeway doing 100mph plus.

i buy cars to drive and not baby.

here some youtube for you folks.

http://youtu.be/tBlFpm8S9QM

Widebody Lexus GS x Seibon's Nissan GT-R Drifting Video - ISG - YouTube

http://youtu.be/icpjNk3xFYk

http://youtu.be/v_TgVrZBzl0

[Vettezuki]

Yeah, sure. But other than that what have you done? :p

:thumbs_up:

[Phantom_CEO]

here's the mercedes

[Leedom]

I really have not said much on this thread but the definition of "sport" has gone way out of bounds in my opinion. I remember watching SportsCenter a while back and they were calling people who play video games athletes. This seams to be going down that same road. There is a difference between "sport" and competition. I think that in a sport you have to have some "athletic" ability (doing something physically extrenuos IMO, not sitting in a chair). If you do not you can call it a competition and that is fine. Beauty pageants are not a sport, they are a competition. Come on people if we were all special like seems to be the norm than nobody is special. Some are better than others, that is the way it is.

PS- this post was fueled by Capt. Morgan.

[Shaolin Crane]

I really have not said much on this thread but the definition of "sport" has gone way out of bounds in my opinion. I remember watching SportsCenter a while back and they were calling people who play video games athletes. This seams to be going down that same road. There is a difference between "sport" and competition. I think that in a sport you have to have some "athletic" ability (doing something physically extrenuos IMO, not sitting in a chair). If you do not you can call it a competition and that is fine. Beauty pageants are not a sport, they are a competition. Come on people if we were all special like seems to be the norm than nobody is special. Some are better than others, that is the way it is.

PS- this post was fueled by Capt. Morgan.

So you can't sit in a chair and be a part of sports?

[fiveohwblow]

So you can't sit in a chair and be a part of sports?

Whoa whoa whoa Guy. Don't you dare insult every arm chair quarterback that decides a set of sweaty dudes in colorful tights is "their team!" You're gonna get about 90% of dudes angry. Of course they are involved, otherwise they wouldn't call the team theirs.

[Shaolin Crane]

Whoa whoa whoa Guy. Don't you dare insult every arm chair quarterback that decides a set of sweaty dudes in colorful tights is "their team!" You're gonna get about 90% of dudes angry. Of course they are involved, otherwise they wouldn't call the team theirs.

My comment was directed at the special olympics, lots of competitors sitting in chairs there :inout:

[Phantom_CEO]

LMAO. special Olympics....

[BADDASSC6]

Car shows do have "quantitative points of assessment" and not just the "Hellaflush" ones but the really really nice ones.

It is instantly hard to put a car back to stock 50 year on. It can take many years to make a car factory fresh. Same can be said for lowing a car, or changing the camber and what not.
Just because they don't race the car's doesn't mean they aren't part autosports.

Not putting time and money into that kind of stuff isn't my thing. But I do respect it as part of what we do.

Holy fuck I totally forgot about this hot mess. No, car shows do not have any quantitative points of assessment. Unless you're going to refer to a low rider car hopping cholo party. Car shows are all qualitative.

Stretched tires make you slower. Racer boy slams make you slower. You can put all the power mods and aero you want the fact is that the suspension and tires (arguably the most important parts) are based on fashion. It's the automotive equivalent of doing squats high heels.