C7 Revealed

[Vettezuki]

They went for more modern design cues than I would have expected. Good job. I'd be tempted to buy one. . .

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/13q1/495547/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-photo-496696-s-520x318.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2014-chevrolet-c7-corvette-stingray-z51-photos-and-info-news?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1458_6594116

http://www.chevrolet.com/new-2014-corvette/

[Damian]

It almost like a Lotus.

[Shaolin Crane]

Winning

[fiveohwblow]

Winning

Fanboi

[Vettezuki]

It almost like a Lotus.

The short hood relative to the back portion does make it look a bit like a Lotus. Overall, I think they did a great job. They went much further with "modernizing" the design than I thought they would.

[blackax]

The C7 is looking sexy. They have to be low balling the HP numbers, 450 seems a little low i would expect 470 with DI/VVT. but if they are shooting for over 30mpg then i can seem them cuting the power to make it.

A vett with 30mpg would kill the in its class

[C5Natie]

Man Im in love with the C7. Reminds me of a Ferrari 599xx, one of my fav all time Ferrari's.

[Damian]

Man Im in love with the C7. Reminds me of a Ferrari 599xx, one of my fav all time Ferrari's.

I was just looking at the Car and Driver pics and thought the exact same thing. I love that 599xx, looks absolutely amazing in person.

[Vettezuki]

. . . A vett with 30mpg would kill the in its class

It's an incredible engineering feat.

[Shaolin Crane]

Hopefully this tanks the price of C5's

[fiveohwblow]

Hopefully this tanks the price of C5's

Depends... Could bring a bunch of attention and guys like you will go out in droves to get their retirement car early and of course with rising demand....

[N8Dogg98]

Hey look, you can almost drive one now without a mustache!

[Leedom]

I like it! I do think that GM should just stop putting Mirrors on their performance vehicles though. You can't see what is behind you anyway with the tinny rear window and huge side blindspot. Just make the the side mirrors and rear view mirrors into video screens that show what is behind and on the side of you.

[fiveohwblow]

I like it! I do think that GM should just stop putting Mirrors on their performance vehicles though. You can't see what is behind you anyway with the tinny rear window and huge side blindspot. Just make the the side mirrors and rear view mirrors into video screens that show what is behind and on the side of you.

It's because the 90% clientele of 70 year olds driving them don't have strength enough to accelerate. They idle all 1100 miles a year they drive them. Only need a windshield for that.

[N8Dogg98]

ROFL no shit Justin. No vette has ever seen more than 2500 rpm. They should just toss in the 4 cylinder out if the Cruze and drop the price by 5k. Theyd prolly sell more and make it easier to meet the upcoming CAFE standards.

[BADDASSC6]

There are a lot of children talking Shit about old men having there vettes. I don't believe any of those children can actually drive a c5 much less a c7 to the limit. There are a lot of old men competing while you guys type on your keyboards. :suicide:

[Vettezuki]

There are a lot of children talking Shit about old men having there vettes. I don't believe any of those children can actually drive a c5 much less a c7 to the limit. There are a lot of old men competing while you guys type on your keyboards. :suicide:

There's a lot of old men who drive the shit of Porsches too. It certainly doesn't mean there isn't a much larger number who don't, let's say, push them very hard or very often.

BTW, I believe the average age of a new Corvette buyer is 58. Hint, don't go by who you talk to on the fucking internet . . .

[Vettezuki]

Added to OP as well.

http://www.chevrolet.com/new-2014-corvette/

[fiveohwblow]

There are a lot of children talking Shit about old men having there vettes. I don't believe any of those children can actually drive a c5 much less a c7 to the limit. There are a lot of old men competing while you guys type on your keyboards. :suicide:

Lol. Because we don't like your identifier we only type on keyboards? Got it.

[Shaolin Crane]

There's a lot of old men who drive the shit of Porsches too. It certainly doesn't mean there isn't a much larger number who don't, let's say, push them very hard or very often.

BTW, I believe the average age of a new Corvette buyer is 58. Hint, don't go by who you talk to on the fucking internet . . .

That's still up there in age. I certainly don't fit the bill of old, but i'd sure love to rag on a c5 as my DD. Lord knows the 88 has been getting some use.

[Vettezuki]

That's still up there in age. . .

Kinda my point . . . :sm_up_there:

[enkeivette]

Front air damn needs to be way more aggressive to look good with those accents. Looks like a c6 with body work

[N8Dogg98]

There are a lot of children talking Shit about old men having there vettes. I don't believe any of those children can actually drive a c5 much less a c7 to the limit. There are a lot of old men competing while you guys type on your keyboards. :suicide:

*their
*these

I type well, wut... :suicide:



:D

[5.0droptop]

The word nazi strikes again


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[5.0droptop]

745

746

747

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[N8Dogg98]

:laugh:

[5.0droptop]

The tradition continues:

749


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[Shaolin Crane]

http://s1.aecdn.com/images/news/corvette-c6r-continues-its-adventure-in-2010-16565_1.jpg
Corvettes, winning where mustangs don't
:huh:

[5.0droptop]

Pretty snappy come back from a guy with 2 mustangs


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[fiveohwblow]

http://s1.aecdn.com/images/news/corvette-c6r-continues-its-adventure-in-2010-16565_1.jpg
Corvettes, winning where mustangs don't. In the decrepit panties of 60 year olds across America
:huh:

FTFY

[Shaolin Crane]

Pretty snappy come back from a guy with 2 mustangs


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Exactly, more weight coming from a mustang owner who would take a vette over a stang anyday. And its not like my stangs are slouches either.

[5.0droptop]

Exactly, more weight coming from a mustang owner who would take a vette over a stang anyday. And its not like my stangs are slouches either.

Why you want a forever alone car?
2 seats and bros before hoes.


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[Shaolin Crane]

Why you want a forever alone car?
2 seats and bros before hoes.


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Because my bros also drive vettes. So they roll in theres and I get 2 ladies in the passenger seat. Besides the back seat of a fox is for show anyhow.

[fiveohwblow]

Why you want a forever alone car?
2 seats and bros before hoes.


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C'mon Shawn! You know guy has a thing for cougars!

[5.0droptop]

True. He likes those +60,s ladies


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[N8Dogg98]

There is no question Corvette's perform well, but that doesn't change the fact that most are generally nothing more than "look at me" props for aging losers that have some spending money either before being broke again at retirement, or because they saved well for retirement.

Besides, why would you want a car that ages so poorly? The C4s have awful interiors that appear to have been made for a bad talking car TV show and the C5s now look like a kids Playmobile toy.

[fiveohwblow]

And they keep performing better and better. What truly confuses me, all jokes aside, is why? Their target demographic is clearly defined. 60+% purchase them above the age 50, and I know from experience there are 50+ yo's at the track but not nearly as much. It's few and far between.

As a marketing major I get that you must continue to improve and move forward or you are willing to take a step back. I get that. But why focus on making it faster when a vast majority do not push it to the limits? Why not spend budget on better materials for the interior? No one questions they perform, not even spiteful magazines, but the first thing they bag on is calling it plastic fantastic. I could stand behind the car so much more than I do if they made it a well rounded and complete car. I get that it's my opinion, but why? Why not step up the game where you are constantly hounded?

[Shaolin Crane]

There is no question Corvette's perform well, but that doesn't change the fact that most are generally nothing more than "look at me" props for aging losers that have some spending money either before being broke again at retirement, or because they saved well for retirement.

Besides, why would you want a car that ages so poorly? The C4s have awful interiors that appear to have been made for a bad talking car TV show and the C5s now look like a kids Playmobile toy.

Ney, C5's are teh sexxors. Still my current vette favorite.
All brands, all makes have plenty of people that don't use them to potential. Mustangs even more so, since there are TONS more of them. It's my opinion that mustang owners are the biggest Douche bags of domestic autosports. I'd really put 75% of them at ricer level.

[Shaolin Crane]

And they keep performing better and better. What truly confuses me, all jokes aside, is why? Their target demographic is clearly defined. 60+% purchase them above the age 50, and I know from experience there are 50+ yo's at the track but not nearly as much. It's few and far between.

As a marketing major I get that you must continue to improve and move forward or you are willing to take a step back. I get that. But why focus on making it faster when a vast majority do not push it to the limits? Why not spend budget on better materials for the interior? No one questions they perform, not even spiteful magazines, but the first thing they bag on is calling it plastic fantastic. I could stand behind the car so much more than I do if they made it a well rounded and complete car. I get that it's my opinion, but why? Why not step up the game where you are constantly hounded?

People want to buy supercar fast, not supercar quality.

[fiveohwblow]

People want to buy supercar fast, not supercar quality.

I hear this often, and I just might be alone in this category. But I don't like to buy my speed always as any car can be made to perform, but not any car can be remodeled.

[5.0droptop]

Im glad i dont own a mustang. Lol


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[5.0droptop]

Im 41. Ive noticed this inward emotion and ive been having dreams of me in a red convertible corvette.

OH NOOOOO this must be how it starts. The mid life crisis.


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[5.0droptop]

750


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[Vettezuki]

And they keep performing better and better. What truly confuses me, all jokes aside, is why? Their target demographic is clearly defined. 60+% purchase them above the age 50, and I know from experience there are 50+ yo's at the track but not nearly as much. It's few and far between.

As a marketing major I get that you must continue to improve and move forward or you are willing to take a step back. I get that. But why focus on making it faster when a vast majority do not push it to the limits? Why not spend budget on better materials for the interior? No one questions they perform, not even spiteful magazines, but the first thing they bag on is calling it plastic fantastic. I could stand behind the car so much more than I do if they made it a well rounded and complete car. I get that it's my opinion, but why? Why not step up the game where you are constantly hounded?

It's perceived value and subjective marginal utility. Reality has nothing to do with anything.

Secondly, while I haven't seen it, the interior is supposedly much nicer . . . finally. The market has responded if for no other reason than there just isn't any choice anymore. The interiors in even just basic cars is getting pretty decent. It wouldn't be well tolerated anymore.

[Shaolin Crane]

Interior in my fox is a fucking joke. I'll take vette interior over mustang interior any day.

[fiveohwblow]

It's perceived value and subjective marginal utility. Reality has nothing to do with anything.

Secondly, while I haven't seen it, the interior is supposedly much nicer . . . finally. The market has responded if for no other reason than there just isn't any choice anymore. The interiors in even just basic cars is getting pretty decent. It wouldn't be well tolerated anymore.



Wait wait wait... There really is no spoon?!?!

[fiveohwblow]

Interior in my fox is a fucking joke. I'll take vette interior over mustang interior any day.

Fox =/= 2013. Compare 1988 corvette for accuracy.

[Vettezuki]

I hear this often, and I just might be alone in this category. But I don't like to buy my speed always as any car can be made to perform, but not any car can be remodeled.

Most cars can be made faster with engine work (swap if nothing else), but there are more serious platform limitations to total performance that almost no amount of money can solve. The basic Vette platform has been getting significantly better each generation from the begging and the C7 is no different. Throw in an engine that pushes the limits of what anyone thought was even possible just a few years ago and its stunning, especially at the price points they're at. And they still have a great margin. While they only sell about 30k units per year, it's always been a great profit center for GM.

[fiveohwblow]

Most cars can be made faster with engine work (swap if nothing else), but there are more serious platform limitations to total performance that almost no amount of money can solve. The basic Vette platform has been getting significantly better each generation from the begging and the C7 is no different. Throw in an engine that pushes the limits of what anyone thought was even possible just a few years ago and its stunning, especially at the price points they're at. And they still have a great margin. While they only sell about 30k units per year, it's always been a great profit center for GM.

I completely agree. Even if I don't like them personally I have bough (limited I know) maturity to admit they are a solid performer. This brings us in a circle to their target demographic though. Why do old men purchas this, and rarely if ever use it?

[Shaolin Crane]

I completely agree. Even if I don't like them personally I have bough (limited I know) maturity to admit they are a solid performer. This brings us in a circle to their target demographic though. Why do old men purchas this, and rarely if ever use it?

Why do mustang guys buy cars and rarely ever use them?

[N8Dogg98]

Why do mustang guys buy cars and rarely ever use them?

I beg to differ... I see Mustang GT's all the time and the people driving them are either full throttle or will be in 5 minutes. Also, unlike the Vette, Ford offers a V-6 option for the status enthusiasts.

[Vettezuki]

I completely agree. Even if I don't like them personally I have bough (limited I know) maturity to admit they are a solid performer. This brings us in a circle to their target demographic though. Why do old men purchas this, and rarely if ever use it?

Psychological connection to the virility of their youth. :huh: "I'm still a stud. See, look." Perhaps subconsciously, or not so subconsciously also an attempt to attract somewhat younger women who in turn will be attracted to the display of apparent wealth. Plenty just get a genuine kick out of having something that can do X. Doing X is not necessarily required, and of course plenty buy when they're older just because it's the first time they could reasonably afford what they've wanted their whole lives. In any case, knowing you have the potential for something is often sufficient, like it's an option on the table. You don't have to exercise it.

[Vettezuki]

I beg to differ... I see Mustang GT's all the time and the people driving them are either full throttle or will be in 5 minutes. Also, unlike the Vette, Ford offers a V-6 option for the status enthusiasts.

I tend to agree. I'd be FAR less inclined to buy a used GT than a used Vette for this reason. GTs are often "rode hard and put away wet."

[Shaolin Crane]

I beg to differ... I see Mustang GT's all the time and the people driving them are either full throttle or will be in 5 minutes. Also, unlike the Vette, Ford offers a V-6 option for the status enthusiasts.

Maturity. I have high horsepower vehicles and rarely go above 70 when driving. I know that I can get going very fast, very quick and prefer not to get myself into trouble if I can avoid it. Simply driving sensibly on the street is not a good indication of driver ability.

[Shaolin Crane]

Psychological connection to the virility of their youth. :huh: "I'm still a stud. See, look." Perhaps subconsciously, or not so subconsciously also an attempt to attract somewhat younger women who in turn will be attracted to the display of apparent wealth. Plenty just get a genuine kick out of having something that can do X. Doing X is not necessarily required, and of course plenty buy when they're older just because it's the first time they could reasonably afford what they've wanted their whole lives. In any case, knowing you have the potential for something is often sufficient, like it's an option on the table. You don't have to exercise it.

Exactly. I can punch a hole in a cinderblock, but I don't need to or have to, and when I do, shit breaks. Same as a car.

[N8Dogg98]

I tend to agree. I'd be FAR less inclined to buy a used GT than a used Vette for this reason. GTs are often "rode hard and put away wet."

I've gotta give Ford credit where it's due, and despite beating the piss out of my Mustang for the last 10 years it continues to run well and doesn't burn any oil despite 140k on the clock. Other than 2 sets of tie rod ends, a clutch, and a rear end rebuild this car has required zero unscheduled maintenance.

I'd say that's pretty good for a 15 year old car that gets beat on frequently.

[Shaolin Crane]

I've gotta give Ford credit where it's due, and despite beating the piss out of my Mustang for the last 10 years it continues to run well and doesn't burn any oil despite 140k on the clock. Other than 2 sets of tie rod ends, a clutch, and a rear end rebuild this car has required zero unscheduled maintenance.

I'd say that's pretty good for a 15 year old car that gets beat on frequently.

I'vd broken axles, blocks, heads, transmissions, etc etc.

[fiveohwblow]

Why do mustang guys buy cars and rarely ever use them?

If you're directly pointing at me I use the hell out of it, or rather did when I enjoyed it. I am moving on now, I'm done with it. If not entertained, no point in investing any more in it including time.

[fiveohwblow]

Psychological connection to the virility of their youth. :huh: "I'm still a stud. See, look." Perhaps subconsciously, or not so subconsciously also an attempt to attract somewhat younger women who in turn will be attracted to the display of apparent wealth. Plenty just get a genuine kick out of having something that can do X. Doing X is not necessarily required, and of course plenty buy when they're older just because it's the first time they could reasonably afford what they've wanted their whole lives. In any case, knowing you have the potential for something is often sufficient, like it's an option on the table. You don't have to exercise it.


While I agree, that's a hell of a way to spend 55k+!

[fiveohwblow]

I've gotta give Ford credit where it's due, and despite beating the piss out of my Mustang for the last 10 years it continues to run well and doesn't burn any oil despite 140k on the clock. Other than 2 sets of tie rod ends, a clutch, and a rear end rebuild this car has required zero unscheduled maintenance.

I'd say that's pretty good for a 15 year old car that gets beat on frequently.

I'm 2.5 times the rwhp output of stock and have never had a failed part. Not one.

[N8Dogg98]

I'vd broken axles, blocks, heads, transmissions, etc etc.

Keep in mind my car is relatively stock. I don't care what car it is if you modify a car to double the factory HP output, shit is gonna break.

Except Justin... he's spechul :D

[Shaolin Crane]

Keep in mind my car is relatively stock. I don't care what car it is if you modify a car to double the factory HP output, shit is gonna break.

Except Justin... he's spechul :D

Unless that car already makes sufficient factory HP like the vette does then you have a fast car that lasts for years and years of abuse.

BTW I did all that on stock parts before building my cars up ;)

[N8Dogg98]

You're now comparing a new car against a 15-17 y/o car.

Fwiw the 215 HP <$20,000 SN95 4.6 car came out when the C4 vette was only making 300 hp and cost > $37,000

[Shaolin Crane]

I never mentioned the make of what I broke, truck, car, don't matter

[Vettezuki]

I'm 2.5 times the rwhp output of stock and have never had a failed part. Not one.

What's that? Like 190? :smack:

[N8Dogg98]

:laugh: this thread has been a darn good time :)

[Shaolin Crane]

If Justin drove like Ron and myself do, shit would break. And I do recall a bumper cover getting some holes in it.

[joedls]

I completely agree. Even if I don't like them personally I have bough (limited I know) maturity to admit they are a solid performer. This brings us in a circle to their target demographic though. Why do old men purchas this, and rarely if ever use it?

I don't own a Corvette, but as an old guy my answer would have to be...

..."Because I can."

[5.0droptop]

Lol ^^^ true


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[fiveohwblow]

If Justin drove like Ron and myself do, shit would break. And I do recall a bumper cover getting some holes in it.

Is the art if Shaolin what teaches you to assume?

[Shaolin Crane]

Is the art if Shaolin what teaches you to assume?

What does your car pull in a turn? What was your last 60' outing at the track?
It's not assuming when you already know the answer ;)
Ron and I drive our shit with the intention of breaking it, not the hopes that it doesn't.

[fiveohwblow]

What does your car pull in a turn? What was your last 60' outing at the track?
It's not assuming when you already know the answer ;)
Ron and I drive our shit with the intention of breaking it, not the hopes that it doesn't.

No g force meter but I got a burnt bumper and for some reason on my drag radials and a clutch drop I couldn't pull better than a 2.0 but I think that was due to moist track and high 30 degree ambient temps in the spring along with no drag suspension whatsoever and terrible driving. Didn't mean I wasn't giving her hell


Now does Shaolin reach apologies?

[Shaolin Crane]

Not this Shaolin

[94cobra69ss396]

I don't drive with the intention of breaking something, I just have faith that nothing will.

My best 60' in the Cobra has been a 1.713. That was with a 6000 rpm launch on my M/T ET Street slicks.

[Shaolin Crane]

Oh I drive shit to break it to know what I need to do next.

[Vettezuki]

What does your car pull in a turn? What was your last 60' outing at the track?
It's not assuming when you already know the answer ;)
Ron and I drive our shit with the intention of breaking it, not the hopes that it doesn't.

With the intention of breaking things? That's like saying, "I love coming to a stop and shitting away money and time."

[94cobra69ss396]

If something breaks then I fix it and upgrade if possible.

[Vettezuki]

That's sensible enough. Build to common knowledge, nobody is really doing anything all that unique or extreme here, then replace/upgrade as needed.

[enkeivette]

And they keep performing better and better. What truly confuses me, all jokes aside, is why? Their target demographic is clearly defined. 60+% purchase them above the age 50, and I know from experience there are 50+ yo's at the track but not nearly as much. It's few and far between.

As a marketing major I get that you must continue to improve and move forward or you are willing to take a step back. I get that. But why focus on making it faster when a vast majority do not push it to the limits? Why not spend budget on better materials for the interior? No one questions they perform, not even spiteful magazines, but the first thing they bag on is calling it plastic fantastic. I could stand behind the car so much more than I do if they made it a well rounded and complete car. I get that it's my opinion, but why? Why not step up the game where you are constantly hounded?

Because the old slow driving men buy them because they are the best, not because they intend to use them.

Its like someone who buys a 32 gig phone who has 7 songs on their iTunes. They have the money so they want the best, even though theyll never push its capability. But if it wasnt the best, they wouldnt buy it.

GM doesnt give a flying fuck how the cars will be driven, they care about the reviews it will get, so they can sell more of them.

[enkeivette]

I don't drive with the intention of breaking something, I just have faith that nothing will.

My best 60' in the Cobra has been a 1.713. That was with a 6000 rpm launch on my M/T ET Street slicks.

Were you burning the clutch to do that? Even though it sucks for your clutch, I hear thats the best way to launch.

[Shaolin Crane]

With the intention of breaking things? That's like saying, "I love coming to a stop and shitting away money and time."

Hope for the best, plan for the worst. If I expect it to break it doesn't if I don't expect it to, it does.

[Vettezuki]

I'm pretty sure inanimate objects are not responding to your expectations just to fuck with you, but I could be wrong I guess. :jester:

[Shaolin Crane]

No they are, I think I might be irrefutable proof.

[fiveohwblow]

Because the old slow driving men buy them because they are the best, not because they intend to use them.

Its like someone who buys a 32 gig phone who has 7 songs on their iTunes. They have the money so they want the best, even though theyll never push its capability. But if it wasnt the best, they wouldnt buy it.

GM doesnt give a flying fuck how the cars will be driven, they care about the reviews it will get, so they can sell more of them.

This has been repeated in this thread and is certainly the consensus. I can't say I disagree. BUT, and big but, that doesn't negate my question. Old men also buy Cadillacs in droves. Why? Comfort and luxury flat out. Same engine as the beloved vette on occasion. Now before you think I've answered my own question I have not. The caddy will never compete. Their entire lineup (save for the most recent 2 seat V) so why not improve where you ALWAYS have gotten bad reviews?

Those old guys going to show up to a Chevrolet lot and bitch about how the newest generation is leaps and bounds nicer inside? Will they whine about a 5% improvement? Only if the current car is slower than the previous. The stiffer chassis alone was enough. Or they're efficient engine. So do one, not the other and improve the interior to even Cadillac engineering quality.

Oh well, I will never buy one. As a marketing guy/business development it's easy for me to arm chair quarterback but at least I admit it isn't for me to convince myself to buy or not to buy one. I don't even begin to like them.

[Vettezuki]

Because GM also has Cadillac to cover that slightly different preference. I have lot's of criticism for GM in total operations, particularly with labor relations and associations with government. However, in basic product development and especially the Vette, it has almost always been a pretty tightly run ship that has produced. They know they customer and sell year in year out. They also know this is changing as is evidenced by design changes, interior improvements in the C7, and for the first time ever, a right hand drive model for some export markets. As far as I can tell, they're doing just about perfect for their franchise.

[enkeivette]

Your assumption is whats confusing you, why would all old men want Cadillacs? They wouldn't... they don't.

PS, I dont understand how you 'dont even begin to like Corvettes.' I'd never waste money on a Bugatti or a 6.3 AMG but shit... I recognize their badassness.

[fiveohwblow]

Your assumption is whats confusing you, why would all old men want Cadillacs? They wouldn't... they don't.

PS, I dont understand how you 'dont even begin to like Corvettes.' I'd never waste money on a Bugatti or a 6.3 AMG but shit... I recognize their badassness.

Never once said all. I was covering the other spectrum of popular geriatric gm mobiles.

[enkeivette]

Never once said all. I was covering the other spectrum of popular geriatric gm mobiles.

You were talking about the C7. I dont care if youre a Ford guy, a Honda guy, or a Schwinn guy... the C7 is gonna be a bad mother fucker. Straight line capability alone its worthy of respect from all.

I mean... I understand not liking a super car for one reason or another. But completely?? Like I always make fun of the NSX for being the slowest super car money can buy. But all bullshit aside I still like SOME things about that car. 300 hp and a rear engine is no joke.

[fiveohwblow]

You were talking about the C7. I dont care if youre a Ford guy, a Honda guy, or a Schwinn guy... the C7 is gonna be a bad mother fucker. Straight line capability alone its worthy of respect from all.

I mean... I understand not liking a super car for one reason or another. But completely?? Like I always make fun of the NSX for being the slowest super car money can buy. But all bullshit aside I still like SOME things about that car. 300 hp and a rear engine is no joke.

Ahhhh, I see where you are confused. I detest the styling and typical American lack of luxury (see:MY OPINION) but that doesn't mean I called it a slouch. I can scoot my ass to 190 mph with the same g force in a Honda should I so choose so performance is never the single buying criteria to me. I've gotta like the way it looks, and I just don't.

[N8Dogg98]

Agreed Justin, I wouldn't own a Corvette for the same reason I wouldn't wear the following:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Eu2V20TfQks/TlmrVfcY8zI/AAAAAAAAAW0/C-tl99xbscE/s1600/vintage_golfer_outfit.jpg

While I agree that Corvette's perform very well for their price point, they're marketed such that they appeal to older men with a desire to look and feel young. I am young, so I don't need to feel young and a synthetic "look at me mobile" would never be something I'd be interested in regardless of my age.

For the kind of money it costs to buy a Vette, I'd buy a Mustang GT for fun and a nice used DD, or something German that I'd drive year round and would also perform well while being very comfortable with excellent build quality and ergonomics. Again, this is just my opinion.

EDIT: I just came up with the perfect metaphor for how I see the Vette. Spandex bicycle outfit = Corvette. The spandex shit makes you more aerodynamic on a bike and likely improves your performance, similar to how a Corvette performs well for what it is. However just like the Corvette, you look like a complete fucking idiot wearing it.

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[enkeivette]

I don't own a Corvette, but as an old guy my answer would have to be...

..."Because I can."

I think since you drag race your mustang you'd be excluded from the old guy population theyre talking about!

[enkeivette]

Agreed Justin, I wouldn't own a Corvette for the same reason I wouldn't wear the following:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Eu2V20TfQks/TlmrVfcY8zI/AAAAAAAAAW0/C-tl99xbscE/s1600/vintage_golfer_outfit.jpg

While I agree that Corvette's perform very well for their price point, they're marketed such that they appeal to older men with a desire to look and feel young. I am young, so I don't need to feel young and a synthetic "look at me mobile" would never be something I'd be interested in regardless of my age.

For the kind of money it costs to buy a Vette, I'd buy a Mustang GT for fun and a nice used DD, or something German that I'd drive year round and would also perform well while being very comfortable with excellent build quality and ergonomics. Again, this is just my opinion.

EDIT: I just came up with the perfect metaphor for how I see the Vette. Spandex bicycle outfit = Corvette. The spandex shit makes you more aerodynamic on a bike and likely improves your performance, similar to how a Corvette performs well for what it is. However just like the Corvette, you look like a complete fucking idiot wearing it.

http://cdn.geeknation.com/Blogs/07_2012/olympics_coverage_1.jpeg

Haha, ouch... I just like Stingrays.

Just curious (asking a question, not arguing) do you think BADASSC6 looks like a fucking idiot driving his race built C6 around the track?

[enkeivette]

Ahhhh, I see where you are confused. I detest the styling and typical American lack of luxury (see:MY OPINION) but that doesn't mean I called it a slouch. I can scoot my ass to 190 mph with the same g force in a Honda should I so choose so performance is never the single buying criteria to me. I've gotta like the way it looks, and I just don't.

OIC. So you think theyre impressive machines, just not your style? Just like me and the AMG?

[fiveohwblow]

OIC. So you think theyre impressive machines, just not your style? Just like me and the AMG?

Precisely!

[N8Dogg98]

OIC. So you think theyre impressive machines, just not your style? Just like me and the AMG?

:clapping:

[5.0droptop]

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[Shaolin Crane]

I change my opinion. I'd rather take a 2013 V6 mustang, handles just as well as a vette but for much cheaper. And less gas.

[fiveohwblow]

I change my opinion. I'd rather take a 2013 V6 mustang, handles just as well as a vette but for much cheaper. And less gas.

Sarcasm is sarcasm.

[Shaolin Crane]

I'm serious

[N8Dogg98]

I'm serious

I'm N8

[Vettezuki]

I'm serious

Over a base C5? Might be closer than some would suspect I'm guess'n. But as a platform, nope. The Vette can be developed into things the Mustang just couldn't, or would be so stupidly cost prohibitive with custom everything that it wouldn't make any sense.

[Shaolin Crane]

The v6 mustang matched the gt3 porsche lap times. It would give the vette a good run for its money.

[fiveohwblow]

The v6 mustang matched the gt3 porsche lap times. It would give the vette a good run for its money.

I knew it did well but DAMN. That's amazing!

[Vettezuki]

The v6 mustang matched the gt3 porsche lap times. It would give the vette a good run for its money.

Only if the GT3 was being driven in reverse by an idiot . . on a go-kart track.

The V8 GT is basically identical in objective data to an M3 though.

[Shaolin Crane]

Fastest lap time has them all recorded. Legit runs, not bullshit. Check it out if you don't believe me.

[Vettezuki]

Fastest lap time has them all recorded. Legit runs, not bullshit. Check it out if you don't believe me.

There's not a chance in hell. You link the data if you're making the claim. FL doesn't even appear to have the latest V6 Mustang for comparison, but their old GT3 is ranked No. 22 . . . out of everything they have.

But for reference here tis, the 2006 GT3. See where and what it slots against. There's a grand total of one Ford in this list. A Boss 302 at Laguna Seca, which appears to have turned in the identical time. That's pretty amazing. But a Boss 302 ain't no V6.

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_gt3.html

[5.0droptop]

If i were to buy a vette there is only one that I would really WANT. Not based on value etc. i just love the look of this one in particular.

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[enkeivette]

Guy is just trying to get free pizza.

[fiveohwblow]

Guy is just trying to get free pizza.

I thought so as well. However I was told you wouldn't be good for it anyway, so not sure why he's even wasting the energy.

[Vettezuki]

Guy is just trying to get free pizza.

Doh!

[94cobra69ss396]

If i were to buy a vette there is only one that I would really WANT. Not based on value etc. i just love the look of this one in particular.

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My dad had a customer with a '67 427 tri power with something like 18,000 original miles. This was back in the mid to late 90's. He told my dad he would sell it to him for $30,000. He should have bought it but he didn't. I had to move it out of the shop once and I had to leave the door open to be able to get my foot on the clutch. I'd love one but they are just too small.

[Vettezuki]

My dad had a customer with a '67 427 tri power with something like 18,000 original miles. This was back in the mid to late 90's. He told my dad he would sell it to him for $30,000. He should have bought it but he didn't. I had to move it out of the shop once and I had to leave the door open to be able to get my foot on the clutch. I'd love one but they are just too small.

That's right before all those vintnage cars started climbing in price. If it was good condition numbers matching everything, even now that's probably well over $100k.

[94cobra69ss396]

That's right before all those vintnage cars started climbing in price. If it was good condition numbers matching everything, even now that's probably well over $100k.

It was a beautiful garage kept car.

[enkeivette]

I thought so as well. However I was told you wouldn't be good for it anyway, so not sure why he's even wasting the energy.

Hahaha, youre clever.

[Shaolin Crane]

Clever but right. Adam doesn't contribute to anything around here. Doesn't eve show up to meets. And if he does, breaks down on the way there.

[fiveohwblow]

Clever but right. Adam doesn't contribute to anything around here. Doesn't eve show up to meets. And if he does, breaks down on the way there.

:lol

[enkeivette]

Clever but right. Adam doesn't contribute to anything around here. Doesn't eve show up to meets. And if he does, breaks down on the way there.

Lmao... Suck. A. Dick. Hahaha

When is the next meet?

[Shaolin Crane]

Lmao... Suck. A. Dick. Hahaha

When is the next meet?

Apparently whenever you decide that you arent as all mighty as you believe and show up to one. Or any time the vette runs for more then 5 minutes at a time.

[fiveohwblow]

Apparently whenever you decide that you arent as all mighty as you believe and show up to one. Or any time the vette runs for more then 5 minutes at a time.

Well shit count any vette owner a no show.

[Shaolin Crane]

Well shit count any vette owner a no show.

No seriously his vette in particular, he broke down in the school parking lot near our burger joint then limped it home for fear of hurting it on the way to our meet. Then showed up a couple hours later in his heep.

[BADDASSC6]

I dropped my first post and then got underway for a while so I missed a lot of the colorful responses. Cut all the fat and bullshit what's left is a couple of members that don't like Vettes because it's not their "style". That's fine some people like fucking fat chicks:ugh:. A two valve modular motor GT is the automotive version of fucking a fat chick. A 20 year old 5.0 that can't go under 2.0 on the 60' with drag radials is a fat chick with a broken leg:poo:.

As far as a Mustang keeping up with a Vette at the track? It's possible. I was wrecking shop at California speedway in the 5.0. Just don't forget that the C6's came off the lot with Goodyear F1's that are no comparison to the Pirelli's on the Boss.

Finally, there are more +50 year olds at any given open track day then there are 20-35 year olds. It's a matter of economics.

[Vettezuki]

. . . Finally, there are more +50 year olds at any given open track day then there are 20-35 year olds. It's a matter of economics.

What's also a matter of economics is the rather steep decline in sales I didn't realize. Corvette has a lifespan average of around 30k units/year but has dipped down to around 12k units. How much of that is the economy and how much of that is demographics I don't know, but I think demo plays a very significant long run role, and the C7 is clearly trying to address that with younger buyers in the US and international buyers abroad.

I don't know if GM would keep Corvette as a halo car if it wasn't bringing home at least a little bacon. By no means an immediate problem, but the trend is deadly serious and they know it.

[fiveohwblow]

I dropped my first post and then got underway for a while so I missed a lot of the colorful responses. Cut all the fat and bullshit what's left is a couple of members that don't like Vettes because it's not their "style". That's fine some people like fucking fat chicks:ugh:. A two valve modular motor GT is the automotive version of fucking a fat chick. A 20 year old 5.0 that can't go under 2.0 on the 60' with drag radials is a fat chick with a broken leg:poo:.

As far as a Mustang keeping up with a Vette at the track? It's possible. I was wrecking shop at California speedway in the 5.0. Just don't forget that the C6's came off the lot with Goodyear F1's that are no comparison to the Pirelli's on the Boss.

Finally, there are more +50 year olds at any given open track day then there are 20-35 year olds. It's a matter of economics.

It's the driver. Not the car. I'm sure if you took some of your badass out of your c6 and blessed my old fat nasty chick that I've churched up at the cost far greater than buying a c6 it would likely cut much better than 2.0 (which was strictly at my last outting)

I'm sure badass accounts for a factory clutch slipping so bad a fan spray of sparks with any heavy load of acceleration... Where is the roll eyes smiley?

Economics. Lol. I can point you to 100 guys in my small town that invested more into terrible mustangs than it would cost to buy a vette. It's style.

[BADDASSC6]

What's also a matter of economics is the rather steep decline in sales I didn't realize. Corvette has a lifespan average of around 30k units/year but has dipped down to around 12k units. How much of that is the economy and how much of that is demographics I don't know, but I think demo plays a very significant long run role, and the C7 is clearly trying to address that with younger buyers in the US and international buyers abroad.

I don't know if GM would keep Corvette as a halo car if it wasn't bringing home at least a little bacon. By no means an immediate problem, but the trend is deadly serious and they know it.

Ben,
Much of that decline is due to the fact tht the C7 was less than a year out and there are tons of mint c6's available used.

[BADDASSC6]

It's the driver. Not the car. I'm sure if you took some of your badass out of your c6 and blessed my old fat nasty chick that I've churched up at the cost far greater than buying a c6 it would likely cut much better than 2.0 (which was strictly at my last outting)

I'm sure badass accounts for a factory clutch slipping so bad a fan spray of sparks with any heavy load of acceleration... Where is the roll eyes smiley?

Economics. Lol. I can point you to 100 guys in my small town that invested more into terrible mustangs than it would cost to buy a vette. It's style.

The fact that more old men go to more open track days than 20-35 year olds is 100% economics. You are clearly speaking with a lack of experience. The purchase cost of the vehicle and the cost of performance upgrade is a small faction of the cost of maintenance and replacing wear products.

I was not implying that you or any of the other Mustang guys cannot afford a Vette. A nice used c6 can be had for much less than a new GT. However, clutch and fan issues are either a sign of poor economic responsibility or a complete inability to perform automotive maintenance.

Your comment of "style" is why I have a New Mustang and a Vette versus having two Vettes. I used to own a 1996 GT that was Procharged (P-1sc), with PI heads, and a Sean Hyland block. It was a POS.

[Vettezuki]

Ben,
Much of that decline is due to the fact tht the C7 was less than a year out and there are tons of mint c6's available used.

False. The decline is from 2009. See production numbers.

2008 - 35,310
2009 - 16,956
2010 - 12,194
2011 - 13,596
2012 - N/A but around the same as 2011

Obviously this is tightly correlated with the economy, but has not rebounded at all. The C7 won't be hitting lots for another six months as I understand, so that'll affect 2013 numbers of course. But I'd say if they aren't back to >= 30,000 units by the end of 2014 Corvette has a more serious problem.

[fiveohwblow]

The fact that more old men go to more open track days than 20-35 year olds is 100% economics. You are clearly speaking with a lack of experience. The purchase cost of the vehicle and the cost of performance upgrade is a small faction of the cost of maintenance and replacing wear products.

I was not implying that you or any of the other Mustang guys cannot afford a Vette. A nice used c6 can be had for much less than a new GT. However, clutch and fan issues are either a sign of poor economic responsibility or a complete inability to perform automotive maintenance.

Your comment of "style" is why I have a New Mustang and a Vette versus having two Vettes. I used to own a 1996 GT that was Procharged (P-1sc), with PI heads, and a Sean Hyland block. It was a POS.

Lol. Poor maintenance. Once again it's my style. I don't replace something until it breaks. It clearly was not sufficient. It's been replaced with a spec stage two and a tko trans for safe measure.

I literally laughed at a vette guy calling a mustang a pos though.

[BADDASSC6]

False. The decline is from 2009. See production numbers.

2008 - 35,310
2009 - 16,956
2010 - 12,194
2011 - 13,596
2012 - N/A but around the same as 2011

Obviously this is tightly correlated with the economy, but has not rebounded at all. The C7 won't be hitting lots for another six months as I understand, so that'll affect 2013 numbers of course. But I'd say if they aren't back to >= 30,000 units by the end of 2014 Corvette has a more serious problem.

So the entire economy tanks, unemployment skyrocketed, and new car sales drop across the board. Lots are full of luxury items for cheap. Which include all sorts of sports cars. The release of every new generation Corvette has always had a negative effect on sale of the previous model. Most people will agree that the economy just started to turn last year. The C7 hype started two years ago.

[Vettezuki]

You're underestimating Corvette's position, which I base on GM's own marketing and press conferences. There's a reason the C7 design and marketing has gone the direction it has. When your average buyer creeps up in age with each generation, now at 58, you have an issue you have to address and that's where they're at. Further consider how bad the fundamentals are for their historic demographic. The reality is a LOT of people who bought Vettes are not actually rich by any means, but sort of middle-middle to upper-middle class (they ain't the Ferrari crow) and MANY of these guys have lost their moderately higher paying jobs and their houses are no longer ATMs. . .and that is NOT coming back to them. Corvette has a tough road ahead, though I certainly think they're making the right moves overall. Whether it's enough to put them back into a sweet spot or not, I'm not sure. No way in hell as many guys in their 20s and 30s are as hot to get a Vette when they're in the 40s and 50s as used to be the case. There's just WAY more competition for one thing, and tons of these younger guys grew up in the import era, not the domestic/muscle car era. On the flip side with more styling, interior refinement and RHD models, they may start selling much better around the world as novelty. Unfortunately Europe in particular has brutal import tarrifs that sort of wreck the performance value of a Vette. Japan doesn't though and they've bought way more C6s than any previous generation. The C7 might do relatively well there and of course Australia. China could be an interesting case as they have an exploding middle class and in some ways a culture similar to Americans . . loud and brash. They love their Cadillacs and Buicks that's for sure.

[BADDASSC6]

Lol. Poor maintenance. Once again it's my style. I don't replace something until it breaks. It clearly was not sufficient. It's been replaced with a spec stage two and a tko trans for safe measure.

I literally laughed at a vette guy calling a mustang a pos though.

Again, do you or have you ever owned or driven a Corvette? Have you ever raced any car competitively? I have owned two Mustangs. They don't compare. I can understand your confusion though, because driving a car that "sparks fly under heavy load" is your style.

[BADDASSC6]

You're underestimating Corvette's position, which I base on GM's own marketing and press conferences. There's a reason the C7 design and marketing has gone the direction it has. When your average buyer creeps up in age with each generation, now at 58, you have an issue you have to address and that's where they're at. Further consider how bad the fundamentals are for their historic demographic. The reality is a LOT of people who bought Vettes are not actually rich by any means, but sort of middle-middle to upper-middle class (they ain't the Ferrari crow) and MANY of these guys have lost their moderately higher paying jobs and their houses are no longer ATMs. . .and that is NOT coming back to them. Corvette has a tough road ahead, though I certainly think they're making the right moves overall. Whether it's enough to put them back into a sweet spot or not, I'm not sure. No way in hell as many guys in their 20s and 30s are as hot to get a Vette when they're in the 40s and 50s as used to be the case. There's just WAY more competition for one thing, and tons of these younger guys grew up in the import era, not the domestic/muscle car era. On the flip side with more styling, interior refinement and RHD models, they may start selling much better around the world as novelty. Unfortunately Europe in particular has brutal import tarrifs that sort of wreck the performance value of a Vette. Japan doesn't though and they've bought way more C6s than any previous generation. The C7 might do relatively well there and of course Australia. China could be an interesting case as they have an exploding middle class and in some ways a culture similar to Americans . . loud and brash. They love their Cadillacs and Buicks that's for sure.

There is no new information in this post Ben. You can't put a sale decline of a model that is nearing end of production run during the worst economic downturn since the great depression solely on an aging demographic.

[BADDASSC6]

This is usually where the lets race shit starts. I have a feeling that a trip to the Roval is well beyond what the Mustang fanboys can muster.

Guy & Ron, how about a Motorgen mustang track day? I will run the 5.0 with a tune and old tires off the Vette. I know I have an unfair advantage based on the fact that I will be driving my car and you two will be driving your own. I would be willing to slow down for a few laps to allow a lead follow training session.:drink:

[Vettezuki]

There is no new information in this post Ben. You can't put a sale decline of a model that is nearing end of production run during the worst economic downturn since the great depression solely on an aging demographic.

I didn't say they were going to disappear in the next couple years. I said they need to pay attention to their constantly aging buyer demographic for reasons I hope I don't have to break out the crayons to explain and reverse the trend.

You know who else says this? GM.

[fiveohwblow]

Again, do you or have you ever owned or driven a Corvette? Have you ever raced any car competitively? I have owned two Mustangs. They don't compare. I can understand your confusion though, because driving a car that "sparks fly under heavy load" is your style.

You've misread. Let me clarify. My style isn't to spend money ahead of time before something breaks. Immediately after this happened I replaced them with adequate parts, you must have just missed it.

I have owned one, an older one but this was 15 years ago, and driven a c5. I do not see how this does or does not qualify me. I have sat in a c6. I don't need hours of r&d or seat time to know I don't think I want to sink my money into a vette as I wouldn't be happy. I'm currently in the process of selling the mustang as I no longer think it suits my current tastes either.

I don't fault you for livin the vette dream but clearly your aim is to change the minds of those who do not like it as you do, or berate and belittle those who you realize you will not convert. Appreciate what you appreciate man. I haven't attacked anyone or made the derogatory comments, rather posed my consumer based opinion and you called me out. Neat.

[BADDASSC6]

I have no gain or desire to convert or sway your opinion.

[Vettezuki]

Carlos, purely out of curiosity, as you're moving your Vette to pure race car status, if it wasn't a Vette what would be your 2nd choice within what you can afford?

[BADDASSC6]

Carlos, purely out of curiosity, as you're moving your Vette to pure race car status, if it wasn't a Vette what would be your 2nd choice within what you can afford?

Well I bought a new 5.0 for a reason :drink:. I wanted a new car to cruise and to take the lady out in. It's hard getting the valet to park the dually.

[94cobra69ss396]

This is usually where the lets race shit starts. I have a feeling that a trip to the Roval is well beyond what the Mustang fanboys can muster.

Guy & Ron, how about a Motorgen mustang track day? I will run the 5.0 with a tune and old tires off the Vette. I know I have an unfair advantage based on the fact that I will be driving my car and you two will be driving your own. I would be willing to slow down for a few laps to allow a lead follow training session.:drink:

It'll be a little while before I'm ready to do the Roval. I just dropped the engine in today and still have to save up to have it tuned. Then I have to get some new track tires.

Have you run the 5.0 on the Roval yet? If so what did it run? I ran a 2:02 in the Cobra with the rear brakes not working.

[BADDASSC6]

I ran a 2:02 100% stock with a passenger. :drink: I did drop the air pressure to 32# hot. I even worked over a Gallardo and ZL1.

[BADDASSC6]

I met with Moti from Black bird fabrication and I will be taking the Corvette to get a Cage as soon as I'm done paying for the wedding.

[94cobra69ss396]

I'm up for it once I have everything and can afford to run it.

[enkeivette]

No seriously his vette in particular, he broke down in the school parking lot near our burger joint then limped it home for fear of hurting it on the way to our meet. Then showed up a couple hours later in his heep.

Lol, you mother fucker

[enkeivette]

I dropped my first post and then got underway for a while so I missed a lot of the colorful responses. Cut all the fat and bullshit what's left is a couple of members that don't like Vettes because it's not their "style". That's fine some people like fucking fat chicks:ugh:. A two valve modular motor GT is the automotive version of fucking a fat chick. A 20 year old 5.0 that can't go under 2.0 on the 60' with drag radials is a fat chick with a broken leg:poo:.

As far as a Mustang keeping up with a Vette at the track? It's possible. I was wrecking shop at California speedway in the 5.0. Just don't forget that the C6's came off the lot with Goodyear F1's that are no comparison to the Pirelli's on the Boss.

Finally, there are more +50 year olds at any given open track day then there are 20-35 year olds. It's a matter of economics.

:judge:

[enkeivette]

Btw, that time my Vette 'broke down' I hadnt driven it in 5 months. Came up from SD, fired it up, drove it straight there.

<--- This would be classified as me agreeing with you, and adding new info btw. Not arguing :)

[Shaolin Crane]

Btw, that time my Vette 'broke down' I hadnt driven it in 5 months. Came up from SD, fired it up, drove it straight there.

<--- This would be classified as me agreeing with you, and adding new info btw. Not arguing :)

Well it wasn't straight there was it? ;)

[Shaolin Crane]

Lol. Poor maintenance. Once again it's my style. I don't replace something until it breaks. It clearly was not sufficient. It's been replaced with a spec stage two and a tko trans for safe measure.

I literally laughed at a vette guy calling a mustang a pos though.

What happens when a mustang guy calls a mustang a POS?

[Shaolin Crane]

Lol, you mother fucker

:getdown:

[fiveohwblow]

What happens when a mustang guy calls a mustang a POS?

He sells it. Want another?

[Shaolin Crane]

He sells it. Want another?

Nah, mine are soon to be on the chopping block

[Vettezuki]

Gonna get a C5 finally?

[fiveohwblow]

Gonna get a C5 finally?

House I believe, once that's secured I'm sure he will finally do so.

[Vettezuki]

That's a sensible order of operations.

[enkeivette]

Well it wasn't straight there was it? ;)

Lol, you are fuckin good... tempted to cave... Haha

[Shaolin Crane]

Lol, you are fuckin good... tempted to cave... Haha

I really am the best at it. I dragged UPR through the mud something fierce on stangnet.

Just think, if your car lasted long enough without breaking down you'd likely have a chance against the 88

[Shaolin Crane]

House I believe, once that's secured I'm sure he will finally do so.

Yep. I'll be keeping the race car at least and slowly finishing it as I'm able. But the money netted from the 88 will make a good down payment.