Heat Exchanger Babble

[Vettezuki]

Oh and PS. Can I say buy Superchargers from me?

I don't believe we've met.

You can put it casually in your sig, like Shaolin does. If your business is interested in a more formal presence, that will require some consideration (a.k.a., mullah :) ).

NOTE: I don't run block for any person or business. It's up to individuals to square any conflicts they have. Practically this just means if someone is not happy in a trade, I'm not going to make their complaints disappear, unless they are way out of line. I might temporarily "hide" them while moderating a dispute at most. FYI, I'm the owner of the site, not *just* a mod.

[Shaolin Crane]

I don't believe we've met.

You can put it casually in your sig, like Shaolin does. If your business is interested in a more formal presence, that will require some consideration (a.k.a., mullah :) ).

NOTE: I don't run block for any person or business. It's up to individuals to square any conflicts they have. Practically this just means if someone is not happy in a trade, I'm not going to make their complaints disappear, unless they are way out of line. I might temporarily "hide" them while moderating a dispute at most. FYI, I'm the owner of the site, not *just* a mod.
I'm just a mod, not entirely too sure how to use all my powers. Mostly editing Justin's sig because it's so damn funny.

Now, BlownG8girl. What kind of discount can the homies get? I happen to need a few accessories for my crap bucket. ;)

[BlownG8Girl]

tell me what you want... I will get it. We run a shop here in the valley

[Shaolin Crane]

I was looking at your site. I was hoping to get a high volume water pump for my after cooler. Much like the bosch you have listed. I was hoping to get something around 8-10gpm if possible

[BlownG8Girl]

I can get you the bosch pump I have listed... I probably have one in stock.

Too much flow is a bad thing and it wont cool as well. That bosch is the best solution... also, there isn't a PD option available that is CARB cert'd for the FBody.:(

[Shaolin Crane]

I have a different setup then most for my fox. I need the extra gpm to flow through the monster heat exchanger. What I have now is some "hella" pump that looks much like the bosch. But seems to flow slower then emptying out a bottle of water. If not, the bosch pump should work ok.

[BlownG8Girl]

5.5GPH is what all of the blower manufacturers use.

I have one on the shelf. $125 cash (no tax) if you want to try it.

[blackax]

Would you happen to have any MP122's?

[BlownG8Girl]

just a head unit? I bet I can get one... or four.

[Shaolin Crane]

5.5GPH is what all of the blower manufacturers use.

I have one on the shelf. $125 cash (no tax) if you want to try it.

Yeah on a front mount tank. Guys that run a rear tank run a 10gpm. IIRC the stock lightning pump is a 10gpm. I want the extra flow, between the larger heat exchanger and the 2 r6 fans mounted on it. More flow the better.

[BlownG8Girl]

The longer you can keep the water in the heat exchanger the better/cooler... true story.

[Shaolin Crane]

Generally I agree, but when the water fails to pump back to the tank because of hose placement. Typically there isnt enough flow. I have essentially a setup from a gt500 now using the bosch style pump on a heat exchanger 3 times the size of the factory vortech "transmission cooler" the vortech power cooler is also alot larger then most PD aftercoolers. I am positive I need the extra output. Its horrid how poorly it flows. I dont think 8-10gpm would be out of the question at all. In fact Steve at PD agrees with me.

[BlownG8Girl]

Sounds good. I don't have one that pumps that volume :(

[BlownG8Girl]

Can one of you great admins clean up this thread to just have stuff related to our cruise & car show?

[Vettezuki]

The question from a thermodynamics POV is maximizing the amount of heat removed from the cooling system by the exchanger. The rate of flow for a given system must be in some bell curve range considering all the parameters in the system. I can't imagine just faster or just slower being automatically better. Imagine a system that doesn't move at all. That overheats obviously. A system that flows at some extreme high rate won't expose the heated coolant to the exchanger for periods long enough dissipate the heat (IOW, what little cooling there is will be quickly reheated). I don't recall the formulas for efficiency of heat dissipation, but there is kind of a lot this question. As for the specific question of how much Guy needs, hell if I know, but if there is some "tribal" knowledge that 10gpm is better than standard 5gpm~, there's probably good reason. Certainly stands to reason that if the after cooler is much larger capacity and the fans blowing more air over them, then likewise, you could push the coolant through faster to be in that bell curve of efficiency. Imagine a bell curve with heat removed on the x axis and flow on the y axis. I imagine heat removed to be low with very low flow and very high flow, and to be high with "just right" flow. Or I might be wrong, but that's how I'm thinking about it. :)

[BlownG8Girl]

I just inquired into the Lightning cooler pump and it is the same as my 5.5GPH pump that we offer. At least on the Lightning that we have here....

[Shaolin Crane]

I just inquired into the Lightning cooler pump and it is the same as my 5.5GPH pump that we offer. At least on the Lightning that we have here....

The later model lightnings had the same pump as the 03-04 cobra which is 9gpm.

[BlownG8Girl]

Roger that...


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[enkeivette]

I love BlownG8Girl's sig!! Makes my day

[Damian]

I don't want to take business away from someone but I have a water pump from Harbor Freight and it works great. http://www.harborfreight.com/12-volt-marine-utility-water-pump-94639.html

Or one of these: http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=WP-50-04&Category_Code=AWIC

[Shaolin Crane]

Cx racing can suck a dick.

And the harbor freight pump is massive and it only rated at 4.3gpm

[Vettezuki]

Cx racing can suck a dick.

And the harbor freight pump is massive and it only rated at 4.3gpm

Is there much of a market for these things if they were well made? The reason I ask is that my family has a few businesses, one of them is automation (brushless DC motors all sizes and quality) and the other is an industrial machine shop doing all kinds of parts manufacturing. This thing looks pretty simple to put together. I might consider it as a small side business if the potential numbers worked out.

What would you pay for a brand new, Made in Merika (including motor) small as possible 10GPM water pump?

Want to take a stab at potential market size?

I'm not spending money on toys right now, but I'll spend money on making money. :)

[BlownG8Girl]

Cx racing can suck a dick.

And the harbor freight pump is massive and it only rated at 4.3gpm

Lollerskates


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[Damian]

Guy, quit crying! A few guys use the CXRacing pump with no issues, and some use the HF pump, including me, with no problems. Frozenboost.com has a pump as well.

Ben, I sure wouldn't mind a 10gpm pump as long as the amps are fairly low.

[BlownG8Girl]

http://www.activeinterchiller.com/5501.html

how about something like this?

[Shaolin Crane]

Guy, quit crying! A few guys use the CXRacing pump with no issues, and some use the HF pump, including me, with no problems. Frozenboost.com has a pump as well.

Ben, I sure wouldn't mind a 10gpm pump as long as the amps are fairly low.

I'll remind you yo quit crying when a company fucks you over.

[Shaolin Crane]

http://www.activeinterchiller.com/5501.html

how about something like this?

True Forged makes something like that as well. Really only good for dropping temps before a drag pass.

[Damian]

I'll remind you yo quit crying when a company fucks you over.

I did not know that. But here is another option for you: http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info.php?products_id=1000&osCsid=7326043300b71375ea5bae0dc1a99d8a

[Shaolin Crane]

I did not know that. But here is another option for you: http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info.php?products_id=1000&osCsid=7326043300b71375ea5bae0dc1a99d8a

Thats the same bilge pump in my dads boat that harbor freight sells. Cheap but its huge and wouldnt easily fit in the low point area of my system. I'll likely brake down for the lightning/cobra pump eventually.

[Vettezuki]

Thats the same bilge pump in my dads boat that harbor freight sells. Cheap but its huge and wouldnt easily fit in the low point area of my system. I'll likely brake down for the lightning/cobra pump eventually.

How much is the lighting cobra/pump? I was serious about getting into this if I thought there was a niche to exploit.

[Shaolin Crane]

How much is the lighting cobra/pump? I was serious about getting into this if I thought there was a niche to exploit.

About 85-115 depending

[Vettezuki]

About 85-115 depending

So a totally awesome new one for $120 might work.

Don't know what my costs would be. I know the higher end Japanese and American made motors are several times more expensive than the Chinese ones, but they're dead reliable. I wouldn't bother trying to make cheap stuff, but I might give a whirl to high value if I can make any money out of it.

[Shaolin Crane]

I'd be glad to be a test mule :)
Billet pump housing maybe variable rpm would be really cool.

[Damian]

Put something together Ben, I'm interested in a higher flower, better looking pump.

[Vettezuki]

Alright I'll take a look at costs to see if its even plausible. If it is, I'll investigate production possibilities in the new year. There are literally thousands of options for motors off the shelf, it's the pump side that will require some engineering. Variable RPM is possible so it could be controlled by MAP or, well, whatever really.

[Damian]

You don't need anything with high pressure, just high volume. There are tons of different types of pumps out there as well. Centrifugal pumps work good and are simple to work on.

[Vettezuki]

You don't need anything with high pressure, just high volume. There are tons of different types of pumps out there as well. Centrifugal pumps work good and are simple to work on.

What do you think reasonable pressure is?

[Shaolin Crane]

5-10psi tops

[Vettezuki]

10gpm flow
7.5~psi
Variable if possible
Small as possible
Low amp draw

Street for $120


MARKET SIZE
How many per year do you think?
1s
10s
100s
1,000s

Just an impression/opinion is ok.

[BlownG8Girl]

I could sell quite a few...if a true benefit is shown
My reach is quite far, Camaro5, G8 world, performance trucks, mopar... and a lil turd, I mean ferd... FORD

[Vettezuki]

I could sell quite a few...if a true benefit is shown
My reach is quite far, Camaro5, G8 world, performance trucks, mopar... and a lil turd, I mean ferd... FORD

How many points do you require? Obviously if I become OEM wholesaler my margin goes way down by whatever your points requirement is, but if units go way up, and especially if you end up taking care customers, inventory, etc. don't care. :)

This is all just top level sussing out if there is any opportunity.

[BlownG8Girl]

I dont mind taking care of customers/inventory & tech support. Thats what I do all day anyway.

I like as many points as I can get... especially on low dollar items.

[Damian]

10gpm flow
7.5~psi
Variable if possible
Small as possible
Low amp draw
.
That's what one would like to have.

[Vettezuki]

I dont mind taking care of customers/inventory & tech support. Thats what I do all day anyway.

I like as many points as I can get... especially on low dollar items.

I'll do some cost breakdowns, and see what I can offer. Think about it and if you can give me even a vague market size estimation that will help a lot.

My cup runneth over for the rest of this calendar year, but I will do some initial investigation.

[Damian]

The Typhoon guys are always looking for something better. They already buy the Johnson pump that does 5gpm (I believe) and its $120+.

[Vettezuki]

If there was a kickass 10GPM, what would you/they pay?

[Damian]

$120-$150 range. Some of those guys spend money on stupid shit all the time, this would actually be beneficial. Some might even spend more.

[Vettezuki]

Pricing is a black art.

[Damian]

True.