Brakes

[BADDASSC6]

Well it's that time and I am purchasing a big brake kit for my corvette. I am open to suggestions. I have been looking at Willwoods, Stoptech, and Brembos. I am looking for both front and back abs compatible. Obviously the car is pretty much road race only. The Willwoods are the most affordable <$5k, the Stoptech trophy will go for just under $8K, Brembo gt are $8k, and brembo gt-r are $8k for the front only (fuck that). Zr1 ceramic brakes from brembo are $15k.

What do you guys think. Remember that brake are a constant wear surface therefore cost of replacement parts must be accounted for.

[Shaolin Crane]

Stoptech seems to be the standard on all the track only cars on corner carvers. I know i'll be going with stoptechs once i get back to the gray car

[Redondo Jon]

I can’t comment on the other kits you mentioned because I don’t know enough about them but here’s the setup I chose for my GTO. (Red calipers, slotted only rotors) http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitSearch.aspx?year=2006&make=Pontiac&model=GTO&option=All&whl=17 The BP-10 compound pads that ship with the kit aren’t useless but they’re pretty close. I now have the PolyMatrix H compound for track-days and a set of BP-20 for the street. The H compound pads work very well and longevity is surprisingly good. However, the rotors are taking a beating and I’m already looking to replace them; not inexpensive. In case you didn’t already know, the hat-to-rotor connection requires safety wiring for the bolts. Those bolts are torqued in inch pounds so if you don’t have an inch pound torque wrench, well… Also, I’ve heard that some of the other kits don’t require shims (washers) to mount the calipers correctly but the Wilwoods will. Notice that I didn’t say “might” or “may,” they will. A side note: I’m very pleased with Wilwood customer service and parts have arrived in just a few days.

[enkeivette]

How much do you want for your old stuff?

And I drove a brembo kit on an FD, impressive but not for the money. Whats the rotor size, caliper piston size difference between brembo and wilwood?

[BADDASSC6]

rotor size calipers are all similar. The stoptechs and brembos have titanium pistons (vented for brembos gtr). The Willwoods have some "thermal barriers".
Enkie- you can have what left of my old stuff. There isn't much left though. The calipers need a rebuild. The rotors pads are pretty fucked.

[heypal]

Ap racing is a popular choice for the racers and wilwoods.

[heypal]

Hit up hardbar, drm , lg or pfadt

[enkeivette]

I think aluminum has similar heat transfer properties to titanium, and wilwoods thermal barrier system sounds pretty cool... only downside I can think of is that the pistons arent fully aluminum, so a fully titanium piston might keep the brake fluid cooler?? But thats splitting hairs on theory Im not even really sure about.

Wilwood makes some good shit though, without some hard evidence that the others are better Id prob go with wilwoods.

PS, Carlos, you are my hero. Let me know when I can take it off your hands :) Def owe you one :)

[heypal]

T1 guys have good success with wilwoods and so do the tt guys.

[BADDASSC6]

I really like the brembos and the Willwoods. I have a connect with pfadt. If he can cut me a deal on the brembos then I will bet the brembos. If not then I really can't justify the cost difference.

[heypal]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/pioferro/vemp_0709_07_zchevrolet_corvette_C6.jpg

Just gonna throw this out here

[heypal]

I'd throw a thread up in here http://forums.corvetteforum.com/autocrossing-and-roadracing-23/ If I had the cash I'd go ap since I don't I have c6z and they'll just have to last me as long as possible till I can get wilwoods lol.

[heypal]

Now I'm depressed lol I want these http://dougrippie.com/products/ap-brake-package/ Oh and Randy is super helpful too

[BADDASSC6]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/pioferro/vemp_0709_07_zchevrolet_corvette_C6.jpg

Just gonna throw this out here

$18K for the front.

[BADDASSC6]

Wow, CF has a lot of good shit for sale.

The DRM AP racing kit is very nice. I am seriously considering it. It comes down to the Willwoods versus the APs. I will be ordering one of them tomorrow.:bang:

[heypal]

http://dougrippie.com/products/ap-brake-package/ 6995 from DRM for front and rear I wish I had the extra.

[C5Natie]

Unless theyre hardcore racing, most guys never go beyond what the stock brakes can take. The stock brakes are actually quite good with the right pad and rotor for the type of driving ones gonna do. But for looks and if youre gonna race, I'd stick to AP or Brembo. Ive driven a few cars with Willwoods and I didnt care for them. All the big manufacturers use Brembo for a reason.

[heypal]

See I've only heard great things about slr6 brakes for the front. A lot of people do stick with stock I went with c6z since there is a lot more pad then a C5Z. Brembos I haven't seen anyone run them but since they are so mainstream people do run them. If never been impressed with a car that ran brembos though even though I've never been in a corvette with them.

[BADDASSC6]

Lots of guys run wilwoods and brembos. The stock brakes are great for the street, not for the track. They all overheat. Even the 6 piston Z are no good over 500 rwhp with good rubber.

I have been running factory calipers with DBA 4000 rotors, Hawk dtc 70 pads, and motul 600 brake fluid. I have deleted the fog lamps and have brake cooling ducts with high temp hoses that are ported directly to the rotors. They are good for 3-4 laps then I have to give them a rest.

Things are very different on the track. Heat becomes a major issue.

[heypal]

My vette only really see's the road course then again I only have 400whp but dtc70s up front 60 in the rear aren't bad with my DBA 4000s but I'm only on r888s soon to be on nt05 to race in the stock class in the Corvette challenge. I know buddy was running 1:31s at big willow on r888s on st47s pad and that car ran 9 sessions mostly back to back no brake fade. But I see no problem with upgrading the brakes more stopping power =deeper braking zones and more trail braking =faster times

[heypal]

So basically I'm all for it lol

[BADDASSC6]

Mine did fine on ps2's with 490 rwhp. I would eat pads in a day. THe cooling ducts helped a lot. The switch to hoosiers made a huge difference. The brakes overheat quickly.

[heypal]

I hear ya trust me lol I've had brake fade at Laguna Seca it was...interesting lol

[BADDASSC6]

Fucking hard choices! Wilwoods are available through Summit for $4,100. I spoke with DRM and they say the Willwoods are great and a bunch of guys run them, but they have some Alcon that are on a whole new level.
http://dougrippie.com/products/alcon-brake-package/

[Shaolin Crane]

Mother of god that's more then I have into the blue car and the cobra combined.

[BADDASSC6]

Please remember that I have done five deployments since 2005. I make decent money and I am never home to spend it. If is wasn't for the fact that I paying for a wedding the corvette would be an exercise in excess.

[heypal]

Crap I forgot about those lol. If you can swing it screw it do it. I can't wait to get their trans and diff coolers.

[Shaolin Crane]

Please remember that I have done five deployments since 2005. I make decent money and I am never home to spend it. If is wasn't for the fact that I paying for a wedding the corvette would be an exercise in excess.

Then you wont mind when I send you some invoices about fixing my truck. I mean those brakes could buy me a whole new engine and then some...

:lmfao:

[Damian]

Fucking hard choices! Wilwoods are available through Summit for $4,100. I spoke with DRM and they say the Willwoods are great and a bunch of guys run them, but they have some Alcon that are on a whole new level.
http://dougrippie.com/products/alcon-brake-package/

Look at that, they oven come with free shipping!

[BADDASSC6]

Well, I could not justify the cost difference. There are plenty of guys running the Wilwoods. I took the money I saved and ordered the goodaero wing and a apr wing splinter to go with my front air dam. I appreciate the feedback and the assistance with finding alternatives. This was a big purchase.

[heypal]

Wildwood slr6s up front? And don't feel bad wilwoods are one of the best bro, who did you end up getting them from?

[BADDASSC6]

No, I got the W6A. It's there biggest caliper and the pads are the thickest they offer. The rear gets the Superlite caliper 4 piston with a 12.8" disc.

[heypal]

Sick will they be on by ACS?

[BADDASSC6]

Yup! The wing will not be. It has to be manufactured. I'm hoping to get some consistency. I don't think I will see a large time drop with the brakes since my current setup would work well for a couple of laps.

[BADDASSC6]

I think aluminum has similar heat transfer properties to titanium, and wilwoods thermal barrier system sounds pretty cool... only downside I can think of is that the pistons arent fully aluminum, so a fully titanium piston might keep the brake fluid cooler?? But thats splitting hairs on theory Im not even really sure about.

Wilwood makes some good shit though, without some hard evidence that the others are better Id prob go with wilwoods.

PS, Carlos, you are my hero. Let me know when I can take it off your hands :) Def owe you one :)

Dude. Will you paint some shit for me. I still have fire burns from Oct 09.

[BADDASSC6]

Hmm. Brake kit does not come with fittings for factory lines and factory fitting are not compatible. Hmm. Looks like I'm driving to Ventura county tomorrow.

[Shaolin Crane]

Holy shit, why ventura?

[BADDASSC6]

Ventura is were Wilwood is. I saved myself the trip by having Summit next day air the brake lines and fasteners. I had no idea the kit's needed new lines and fasteners until I got halfway throughout the rears. I'm pretty frustrated with customer service across the board. Wilwood had a tech rep (Justin) that was great and helpful. I rolled and got another (jeff) that sucked. So now I ask for Justin by name.

[Shaolin Crane]

Gotcha. Just for future notice, King Bolt here in covina has that shit in stock. Brake lines, fittings etc

[Damian]

There is a shop right next to Muffler Man that has a ton of fittings for brake and whatever else in stock. He can make whatever you want.

[94cobra69ss396]

Same here, Bonaco in Upland can make anything you need. I've had them make a hard line for the rear of the Cobra and had them change the fittings on the SS lines on the front of the Explorer when I did the SAS to use the Jeep calipers.

http://bonacoinc.com/

[BADDASSC6]

Thanks they were next day delivered by summit. Still waiting on new fasteners for the front rotors from Wilwood. I may just run the mustang.

[enkeivette]

Dude. Will you paint some shit for me. I still have fire burns from Oct 09.

Oh shit, when you blew up your motor?? Fuck ya I will. Do you have a compressor? I had to give mine back to my Dad

So you went with the Wilwoods? Badass, ha

[BADDASSC6]

I found a really sweet brake mod at the track this weekend for vettes. Phoenix Performance will mill down the pistons and sliding clamps on the factory z51 single piston calipers. THey install a titanium heat resistant cap on the piston. The machining also allows the use of 21mm vice 16mm pads which provide extra heat protection. This set up is $600 with core exchange. Four of the t-1 cars were running this set up and loved it. They ran DBA 5000 series rotors because rings are only $150.

Also, Enkie let me know when you want to pick up the brake parts. They are in much better shape than I thought. I would honestly send them to phoenix racing for upgrade/rebuild. The front rotors are fine for the street too.