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[enkeivette]

Or how about running at the track like men are supposed to, roll racing is for fags.

Ps, I dont know about you but I drive street cars, and I race them on the street. I have no interest in buying race gas and driving on illegal tires, its not why I built my car, my 630lb springs and 19" wheels dont help me get down a 1/4 mile any faster.

And having a 'well balanced car,' is a cop out. It means I wish I had more hp in my own car and Im jealous of yours. A C6 Z06 handles like its on rails, but Ill bet if someone Procharged one of those and made 1,000hp no one would give them shit. The reality is: cornering is fun, and acceleration is fun, Miatas are underpowered and my car is overpowered, ya ya, who gives a fuck. Theyre both fun to drive, enough said. Should I take my blower off? Would that make the well balanced car advocates happy? Suck a dick.

[enkeivette]

Sorry, this was bacardi inspired posting, haha

[Vettezuki]

Sorry, this was bacardi inspired posting, haha

Dude we gotta go drink'n sometime. Bunch goddamn teatotallers round here.

[Shaolin Crane]

Ps, I dont know about you but I drive street cars, and I race them on the street. I have no interest in buying race gas and driving on illegal tires, its not why I built my car, my 630lb springs and 19" wheels dont help me get down a 1/4 mile any faster.

And having a 'well balanced car,' is a cop out. It means I wish I had more hp in my own car and Im jealous of yours. A C6 Z06 handles like its on rails, but Ill bet if someone Procharged one of those and made 1,000hp no one would give them shit. The reality is: cornering is fun, and acceleration is fun, Miatas are underpowered and my car is overpowered, ya ya, who gives a fuck. Theyre both fun to drive, enough said. Should I take my blower off? Would that make the well balanced car advocates happy? Suck a dick.

Uhm my point was if you cant run your car to its potential, then its not a faster car. If're you're concerned about breaking something then fix that portion of the car before you talk trash. And a well balanced car is not a cop out, Ron' cobra is very well balanced. And meet Max, the blue car, same car almost identically to Ron's car, did I copy him? No, its a proven combo time and again, I have a race car and if you'd like to run on street tires and meet me at willow springs we'll run to your hearts content. :)
I dont build my cars to race on the street, ever, period. I'm not going to do ANYTHING that will jeopardize my badge and FYI street racing is stupid.

[enkeivette]

:beer:

[enkeivette]

Uhm my point was if you cant run your car to its potential, then its not a faster car. If're you're concerned about breaking something then fix that portion of the car before you talk trash. And a well balanced car is not a cop out, Ron' cobra is very well balanced. And meet Max, the blue car, same car almost identically to Ron's car, did I copy him? No, its a proven combo time and again, I have a race car and if you'd like to run on street tires and meet me at willow springs we'll run to your hearts content. :)
I dont build my cars to race on the street, ever, period. I'm not going to do ANYTHING that will jeopardize my badge and FYI street racing is stupid.

Next mod is DOT drag radials, 12 bolt conversion and half shaft hoops. But right now, my Vette which isnt 'fast' according to you, sure seems to win a lot of street races, from a roll or a stop. The only reason I suggested to Ron that we go from a roll is that I know he'll launch harder, so I know he'll jump out in front. But I think what everyone was more curious about was my cars accel, vs Rons. Not Rons driver skill/ or his Chevelles ability to launch better with squishy tires a solid axle and an automatic. Because everyone already knows how that race will turn out.

And again, if I cared only about drag racing, never would have gone from a proven TH350 to a T56. Would you have?

And you racing your street car at the track is stupid. How much money are you going to win with your 'race car?' And you better stop going to motorgen cruises if you think driving fast cars on the street is so stupid.

Asphalt is asphalt, and your qualified challenge, 'Ill race you but only at the track, never on the street' isnt much of a challenge, considering it just came out in my conversation with Ron that venue is the problem. So are you just trying to sound bad ass?

Ps, stop comparing your car to Rons, its not, not even close. Sorry man.

[Shaolin Crane]

Next mod is DOT drag radials, 12 bolt conversion and half shaft hoops. But right now, my Vette which isnt 'fast' according to you, sure seems to win a lot of street races, from a roll or a stop. The only reason I suggested to Ron that we go from a roll is that I know he'll launch harder, so I know he'll jump out in front. But I think what everyone was more curious about was my cars accel, vs Rons. Not Rons driver skill/ or his Chevelles ability to launch better with squishy tires a solid axle and an automatic. Because everyone already knows how that race will turn out.

And again, if I cared only about drag racing, never would have gone from a proven TH350 to a T56. Would you have?

And you racing your street car at the track is stupid. How much money are you going to win with your 'race car?' And you better stop going to motorgen cruises if you think driving fast cars on the street is so stupid.

Asphalt is asphalt, and your qualified challenge, 'Ill race you but only at the track, never on the street' isnt much of a challenge, considering it just came out in my conversation with Ron that venue is the problem. So are you just trying to sound bad ass?

Ps, stop comparing your car to Rons, its not, not even close. Sorry man.
1. I never said you car wasnt fast, street racing is stupid and dangerous and only saying you'll race from a roll in very ricer.

2. I didnt build my cars to win money, I invested in a hobby that I know going in has no return, at all. I did however, build my cars to run safely at a controlled track event, be it drag racing, auto-x or a road course. A car will NEVER see it's potential on the street ever unless you're looking at its potential to kill someone.

3. When I go to motorgen cruises, which is sparse, i stay near the back of the pack and follow the law, I again, will not jeopardize my badge I have a clean driving record and it'll stay that way.

4. Do you keep forgetting I have 2 cars? If you mean the race car then yes, it's no where near Ron's car. It has nothing, no heat, no a/c, no radio, every possible piece that could be cutt off or removed for weight savins is gone. There is not a single stock suspension piece, or engine part other then the stock block.
The blue car however, whether you like it or not is nearly identical to Ron's car. I only mention Ron because he's the only other mustang person on the board with a pushrod. Its a simple proven combo that THOUSANDS have on other boards, dont believe me? Check the corral and ye shal be saved. I however would LOVE to hear how Max differs, i'm not new to building mustangs. I've had my 87 for the better part of 6 years.

Lastly, I ONLY mentioned willow springs because you yourself said you didnt care about the 1/4 mile. I dont give a shit one way or another if you want to race or not. I've never made a claim about what one of my cars will run, or said i'm going to take out so and so I probably enjoy the build more then the actual car in the end. All I know is I have a set guidline I have built the cars by and that's all. Wether you believe or dont believe it's like someones car or its fast or not that's fine. I have enjoyed building them and will continue to do so. You give me shit and I give you shit and the world keeps on going 'round, no need to take offense to anything I post cause it's all in good fun. If I had a problem with you you'd know it and I'd avoid you and your posts like the plague.

[enkeivette]

Woah calm down there sport, I argue only in fun. So you have a centrifugally supercharged 5.0 with name brand aftermarket aluminum heads making 600+hp?? If thats the case no I didnt know that. If its not the case your car isnt identical to Rons.

And you are making a claim, that your car is identical to Rons. So lets see it, race Ron at a fancy legal strip. Lets start a thread and bet some money. Ya?

[Shaolin Crane]

Woah calm down there sport, I argue only in fun. So you have a centrifugally supercharged 5.0 with name brand aftermarket aluminum heads making 600+hp?? If thats the case no I didnt know that. If its not the case your car isnt identical to Rons.

And you are making a claim, that your car is identical to Rons. So lets see it, race Ron at a fancy legal strip. Lets start a thread and bet some money. Ya?

That's always been the plan, Ron and I have been keeping track of each other's build. Up until his choice of going 331, yes nearly identical. In fact as soon as my cam grinder comes back from his funeral trip he'll have the exact same cam as mine. For your records...
Ron
Stock block
(soon) 331
Vortech Si-trim
Ported AFR Heads
Ford Racing Rockers
Stock Lifters
Stock Pushrods
.554/218/114*
Ported Vortech Intake
UPR Boostmaster
Bosch Bypass
Heat/ac/stereo
12psi
Powertrain Tune
Road & Track Box
3400lbs
Full Interior
Cobra Brakes

Guy
Stock Block
(308)
Vortech Si-trim with aftercooler
Ported SVO Heads
Ford Racing Rockers
Stock Lifters
Chromoly Pushrods
.544/218/114*
Ported Eddy Intake
UPR Boostmaster
Vortech mini-race
Heat/ac/stereo
15psi
Powertrain tune
Road & Track box(ish)
3400-3500lbs
Full Interior
Cobra Brakes

We can split hairs that his is an SN-95 and ours is a fox. But for all intensive purposes of "nearly identical" that's pretty fuckin close. I built it for Vanessa and i to have fun with, as long as she's happy with it that's all that matters. For all we know it could only make 300hp and run a 15sec 1/4. If that makes her happy then that's all I care about.

[enkeivette]

Nice :beer: Did not know that. Im surprised, all I ever hear about is your mildly built NA 5.0. I knew you had two but I thought one was a junker. I guess thats the one you got for free and are turning into your mild, dare I say, street driven DD?

And youre blowing 15psi on stock pistons? Are they factory forgings at least? Does Ron have a stock short block too?? What does your supercharged fox run in the quarter?

[94cobra69ss396]

I have a stock short block (block, crank, rods, even rod bolts) in the car now only I have Probe SRS pistons. I also don't make 600hp. I dyno'd at 471rwhp which should be around 510-520 at the flywheel.

I can't remember what rotating assembly Guy used for Vaneesa's car but I'm pretty sure he used the Probe SRS pistons as well and ended up with a compression ratio right around 9.1-9.2:1 just like my current engine. Like he said his car and my Cobra are set up almost identical.

His other car (race car) should make around 500hp N/A. But it's a high winding monster that would absolutely destroy my Cobra on a road course. When he says that it's a stock block he is talking about the block only, not the rotating assembly. In fact, he built the 347 for it using the original block out of my Cobra. But that is the only part that is a stock Ford piece.

[Shaolin Crane]

Nice :beer: Did not know that. Im surprised, all I ever hear about is your mildly built NA 5.0. I knew you had two but I thought one was a junker. I guess thats the one you got for free and are turning into your mild, dare I say, street driven DD?

And youre blowing 15psi on stock pistons? Are they factory forgings at least? Does Ron have a stock short block too?? What does your supercharged fox run in the quarter?

I have .040 over forged TRW pistons, Ron had a stock shortblock with probe SRS pistons. He's forgoing that for a 331 bottom end, keeping everything else the same though. The blue one will be my DD for a while until I buy another truck or fix the one that's rotting here. Either way it will be 100% DD capable with a/c and super plush gt500 seats
No track times yet since it's not finished, and wont have 1/4 times for a while being its going to be a LONG time until fontana is back. Tune date is the 29th though, if you would read the build thread you would know. :beer:

The other one is far from "mild" 11.5:1 347 with severely hogged out AFR 185's (now a 230cc intake) morel link bar lifters with a .600/.598 236/246 111* cam. Should see around 7000 rpm, if it stays together :(

[Shaolin Crane]

I have a stock short block (block, crank, rods, even rod bolts) in the car now only I have Probe SRS pistons. I also don't make 600hp. I dyno'd at 471rwhp which should be around 510-520 at the flywheel.

I can't remember what rotating assembly Guy used for Vanesa's car but I'm pretty sure he used the Probe SRS pistons as well and ended up with a compression ratio right around 9.1-9.2:1 just like my current engine. Like he said his car and my Cobra are set up almost identical.

His other car (race car) should make around 500hp N/A. But it's a high winding monster that would absolutely destroy my Cobra on a road course. When he says that it's a stock block he is talking about the block only, not the rotating assembly. In fact, he built the 347 for it using the original block out of my Cobra. But that is the only part that is a stock Ford piece.
Ha, almost exact same time for a post.
And yep, the race car has a little Ron inside of it :rolling:

The race car will only see a road course/auto-x. I doubt the g-force would like a 5k clutch dump at the strip, however I still plan on running it for shits and giggles

[enkeivette]

So you have 3 mustangs? No wonder I was confused. Theyre all yours, the race car isnt your Dads or something? You have 2 trucks, one not working, and 3 foxes? One built for your gf, one strictly race NA, and one with a centri blower?

Why not sell a couple and buy a higher end car? Or save the money for a down payment on a house or something? Assuming you dont have one since you look young. Id sell my vette if I could upgrade to a C6 and mod it.

Didnt know the blown one had a build thread. Has it ever been fired up? Whats the status?

[Shaolin Crane]

So you have 3 mustangs? No wonder I was confused. Theyre all yours, the race car isnt your Dads or something? You have 2 trucks, one not working, and 3 foxes? One built for your gf, one strictly race NA, and one with a centri blower?

Why not sell a couple and buy a higher end car? Or save the money for a down payment on a house or something? Assuming you dont have one since you look young. Id sell my vette if I could upgrade to a C6 and mod it.

Didnt know the blown one had a build thread. Has it ever been fired up? Whats the status?

Nope, my dad isnt into cars. The race car i built from scratch just like the blue car. The 07 is her car, bone stock, it's in my sig because, well, I drive it more then she does and do all the work on it. The black truck is long gone, sold it to pay down some debt. The 08 is still sitting, waiting for a buyer, been on CL for almost a year now.
Race car has the monster 347 and the blue car has the centri blower.

The gray car is my baby, i'll never sell it. It was an investment in a dream i've had since i was a kid. The blue one is my budget build as i have less then 5k into it. The 07 isnt mine to sell and the 08 is for sale. I've been working at getting cash for a down payment and that's why I sold the black truck. I only have my loan left on the 08 and even that isnt much, if I could sell it i'd buy another '00 and have no payments.

I fired the blue one a few weeks ago, I even text you the video of it. Shit i know i've texted you the same pics that others have got
Here, not sure how you missed it being its been top post on the home page for the past few weeks
http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28546

[Shaolin Crane]

1987 Mustang
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/DSC_0024Modded.jpg
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/DSC_0042.jpg
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/PICT0459.jpg
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/IMAG0359.jpg
1988 Mustang
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/IMAG1370-1.jpg
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/IMAG0764.jpg
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/IMAG1651.jpg
2007 Mustang
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/Vanessa/PICT0122.jpg
2008 F350
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/PICT0052-5.jpg
I hope that clears up any further confusion.

[enkeivette]

I thought there was a mildly built fox that your gf drives, I thought that was the blue one. But the blue one is blown, and isnt finished, so that cant be the case. And the gray one is the NA race car... so it cant be that one.

Does your gf just drive the 08 then??? Is that what youve been talking about??? I thought you said you built a fox for your gf to drive? Im about ready to give up, haha.

But props to you, more respect your way, didnt know you had such serious hp. Thats why I was surprised by your cam figures. I thought you had just a mild fox, and a second race one that wasn't running. And no I never got the video.

[Shaolin Crane]

I thought there was a mildly built fox that your gf drives, I thought that was the blue one. But the blue one is blown, and isnt finished, so that cant be the case. And the gray one is the NA race car... so it cant be that one.

Does your gf just drive the 08 then??? Is that what youve been talking about??? I thought you said you built a fox for your gf to drive? Im about ready to give up, haha.

But props to you, more respect your way, didnt know you had such serious hp. Thats why I was surprised by your cam figures. I thought you had just a mild fox, and a second race one that wasn't running. And no I never got the video.

Nope, the 08 is still broken. She drives the 07 and I ride my bicycle everywhere until she gets off work, then i'm her driver since she prefers I drive.

The blue one is the one I built for her, it was supposed to be a toy for both of us to enjoy and something for her to attend track events while I was in the gray car. Then I blew up the 08 and everything changed. I never got around to putting the engine back into the race car, it's collecting dust just like everything else I own.

I dont know where the mild fox idea came from, all my builds have been well thought out. I wanted power, but I had to pass smog, so a blower was a no brainer, plus I paid $650 for the kit from some kid on CL.

[enkeivette]

Thats a steal! ...prob cuz it was stolen, haha, jk. Nice man! I like your gf even more after reading this... for you to trust her with a blown v8, she must know how to handle a car pretty well. :beer:

[Vettezuki]

Shaolin has the record for most vehicles owned . . while riding a bike as a primary mode of transport.

[Shaolin Crane]

Thats a steal! ...prob cuz it was stolen, haha, jk. Nice man! I like your gf even more after reading this... for you to trust her with a blown v8, she must know how to handle a car pretty well. :beer:
Well, we did meet at irwindale while she was racing her car. Who knows if the blower was stolen, he had a 96 and said he bought it and found out it wasnt for a 4.6. He originally had the kit listed at 1500 but i offered him 500 then we settled on 650 if I came the same day. Everything I bought kinda went the same way.
Shaolin has the record for most vehicles owned . . while riding a bike as a primary mode of transport.

I've been enjoying it actually. I get about 10 miles in a day, and i've been considering keeping the biking to work going even after it's done. It keeps the 6 pack even if i have lost 15lbs of muscle :( I need to get back to the gym and start lifting again.

[enkeivette]

Who wants a six pack when you can have a keg?

[enkeivette]

Guy... you said you wanted Nitto NT05s for your car. Those are street tires. If you really only intend to race your car on the track why not NT01s? Those are even street legal because theyre DOT approved but theyre made for the track.

And is that blue car an automatic? Stock diff? Soft front springs? Or was it meant to handle?

[enkeivette]

Im going to go with the stickiest DOT legal tire I can get next time I get tires. Ive got 275s now, going to try to fit 295s next time. Hopefully I wont have to chop up and weld the frame :o

[Shaolin Crane]

Guy... you said you wanted Nitto NT05s for your car. Those are street tires. If you really only intend to race your car on the track why not NT01s? Those are even street legal because theyre DOT approved but theyre made for the track.

And is that blue car an automatic? Stock diff? Soft front springs? Or was it meant to handle?

I have NT05's for when I cruise on the street, they're an amazing cold tire though. I use Hoosier R6's for track days but they take a while to be warmed up. I was more please with the NT05's wet traction as well. I dont drive it much on the street so they last me a while. The Hoosiers not so much

The blue car was meant to be an all around performer. Its a TKO trans, MM adjustable RLCA, KYB whites, saleen race craft springs, cobra brakes. 31spl forged axles with a carbon fiber clutch pack LSD, MM panhard bar, strut tower brace and i'm still piecing together a few parts I want, like swaybars, but mostly that's it.

[Shaolin Crane]

Im going to go with the stickiest DOT legal tire I can get next time I get tires. Ive got 275s now, going to try to fit 295s next time. Hopefully I wont have to chop up and weld the frame :o

I would run 275's. They have more size options and if an x275 outlaw car can run a 7 second pass with 275 drag radials then we'll be fine.

[enkeivette]

Nice, but why not Nitto NT555 if you never race on the street? Theyd last you forever :p

[Shaolin Crane]

Nice, but why not Nitto NT555 if you never race on the street? Theyd last you forever :p

The NT05's have better cold traction and wet traction. It makes them perfect for auto-x . I may not race on the street but there are plenty of jackass drivers that make having a 200 treadwear tire nice. There were a few times I was cut off or someone pulled in front of me and i'm positive the tires and brakes kept me from getting into an accident.

[enkeivette]

The NT05's have better cold traction and wet traction. It makes them perfect for auto-x . I may not race on the street but there are plenty of jackass drivers that make having a 200 treadwear tire nice. There were a few times I was cut off or someone pulled in front of me and i'm positive the tires and brakes kept me from getting into an accident.

Come on... You can't bullshit someone with a doctorate in bullshitting. Haha :beer:

[Shaolin Crane]

Come on... You can't bullshit someone with a doctorate in bullshitting. Haha :beer:

I'm serious, the NT05's dont need to be warmed to hook. I drove to a few car shows with the the R6's on and it was like driving on ice and forget it if you drove through water. I let Shawn drive it after i dialed the bumpsteer and he almost made me shit my pants with how badly the tires held during a cold morning. And they were pretty much dog shit for auto-x. They dont get run for long enough to get sticky. The NT05's are the best tire i've ran to date. I'll be running the same tires on the blue car. Ray said he was getting 20k out of them at nearly 700rwhp on his shelby and I believe it.

[enkeivette]

No I meant you plan to run those tires on the street because like the rest of us, youd be unable to keep your foot out of it on the street 100% of the time.

http://www.hark.com/clips/bfsmztbplx-come-on-dont-bullshit-me

[Shaolin Crane]

I really do, it is so loud it draws enough attention as it is. You're expected to drive like a douche in a sports car, so I make it a point to drive extra slow, and it still isnt enough. Ask me about the gymnastics place at nicks.

The truck though you can drive like a jackass and its like you dont exist. I got a pretty good "scared straight" moment in the dually and havnt done stupid shit on the street since then.

[C5Natie]

Always happens that Im doing 75 on cruise control on the fwy with someone in a minivan is right on my ass. Like Im supposed to always be going 100 cuz its a vette.

[enkeivette]

Always happens that Im doing 75 on cruise control on the fwy with someone in a minivan is right on my ass. Like Im supposed to always be going 100 cuz its a vette.

Haha, I know right? I brake checked some bitch last week and she ended up calling 911 and following me. People are idiots, like Im going to get arrested because she commands the 911 operator to do something. Hahaha

[Vettezuki]

Do you pansies park in the fast lane at 75? It's called "the fast lane" for a reason. I'm single handedly introducing German lane discipline to North America. I flash. Move to the right.

[C5Natie]

Do you pansies park in the fast lane at 75? It's called "the fast lane" for a reason. I'm single handedly introducing German lane discipline to North America. I flash. Move to the right.

Nope, I'll usually be in the no.2 lane or something. At the same time Ive seen a lot of slower drivers recently though. I guess people wanna save gas or something because theres a lot of idiots doing 55-60. Sometimes the car is still cold and Im cruising at 65 flying by people.

[enkeivette]

Im in the 2nd lane by default unless I need to pass. If Im in the number 1 lane, I dont care if someone behind me wants to go faster if the traffic to the right is moving slower than I am. Speed racer has the choice of waiting till I can get over without disrupting my cruise control, or weaving through traffic. Im not slowing down.

[enkeivette]

The bitch I brake checked was in that situation, expecting me to get over and slow down to the number 2 lane speed. Wait patiently or weave bitch, but whatever you do get off my ass. Not even vin diesel is allowed back there.

[Vettezuki]

. . . but whatever you do get off my ass. Not even vin diesel is allowed back there.

You don't have to lie. You're among friends.

[Shaolin Crane]

Haha, I know right? I brake checked some bitch last week and she ended up calling 911 and following me. People are idiots, like Im going to get arrested because she commands the 911 operator to do something. Hahaha

I did that to some jackass in a minivan and he followed me for 10 miles to the dojo, to my surprise (:rolleyes:) when I parked he sped past me and out of the parking lot.

[Shaolin Crane]

The bitch I brake checked was in that situation, expecting me to get over and slow down to the number 2 lane speed. Wait patiently or weave bitch, but whatever you do get off my ass. Not even vin diesel is allowed back there.

When I did have a diesel :( i would blip the throttle a few times in a row to load it up on fuel before the turbo would spool, then stomp on it and leave a fucking massive raincloud of soot.

[blackax]

Thats why I only flash my high beams when even I have enough room to go past someone on the right. Most people dont move over so I give them a few sec to move over then i just go around them

[kdracer73]

Thats why I only flash my high beams when even I have enough room to go past someone on the right. Most people dont move over so I give them a few sec to move over then i just go around them

Frankie flips off and screams "MOTHER EFFER" at every person that slows her down in the fast lane or on a motorgen cruise...even when I'm driving.

[enkeivette]

When I did have a diesel :( i would blip the throttle a few times in a row to load it up on fuel before the turbo would spool, then stomp on it and leave a fucking massive raincloud of soot.

Ps, your want of 800rwhp comment today proved to me that all the talk about well balanced cars is crap.

You put in the best parts you can afford, and you make as much streetable hp as you can with what you've got. No one builds a choked out engine for fear that it'll over power the tires.

Ps ps, Im tuning tomorrow with the LM2 :) Unguided missile up up and away!

[Vettezuki]

. .No one builds a choked out engine for fear that it'll over power the tires.

Actually I do remember having a conversation with Carlos on going NA vs. SC for his race and discussing the problems of lower average lap times if you OVERpower a chassis vs. having an optimum power to chassis configuration. We can go reducto ad absurdum here to prove the point if you like.

[BADDASSC6]

This thread is gay. I will rape both of you in my wife's car.

[BADDASSC6]

Actually I do remember having a conversation with Carlos on going NA vs. SC for his race and discussing the problems of lower average lap times if you OVERpower a chassis vs. having an optimum power to chassis configuration. We can go reducto ad absurdum here to prove the point if you like.

It's true. I rape Zr1's all day. The supercharger adds to much weight over the front wheels resulting in push. To get them to turn in guys will either run a sticker tire (r80 vs r6) or run a stiffer setting on the rear. The factory rear sway bar is actually thicker then the Z06 they are actually removing some grip from the back.

So if you take apples to apples z06 w/z07 performance package and raced a zr1 (this means same shocks, aero, brakes, tires) the z06 will be 1-3 seconds faster than the zr1.

[Shaolin Crane]

Ps, your want of 800rwhp comment today proved to me that all the talk about well balanced cars is crap.

You put in the best parts you can afford, and you make as much streetable hp as you can with what you've got. No one builds a choked out engine for fear that it'll over power the tires.

Ps ps, Im tuning tomorrow with the LM2 :) Unguided missile up up and away!

You missed the "hahahaha" at the end of that text. There's no way that those SVO heads will make 800rwhp even with a t-trim. My comment was that I wish i still had the dart motor so i dont go popping it while beating the shit out of it. That car is 100% CA legal and that's why it has those parts, plain and simple.

Still dont know where you got the fear of overpowering the tires. Overpowering the chassis to the point of fearing you'll break something vital was my original point. I can spout numbers and this and that but "we cant really prove it because I'll break x" is stupid, still ricer. And to prove my point even further, im leaving nearly 150rwhp on the table cause i dont want to be shoveling pieces of my block off the track.

[Shaolin Crane]

It's true. I rape Zr1's all day. The supercharger adds to much weight over the front wheels resulting in push. To get them to turn in guys will either run a sticker tire (r80 vs r6) or run a stiffer setting on the rear. The factory rear sway bar is actually thicker then the Z06 they are actually removing some grip from the back.

So if you take apples to apples z06 w/z07 performance package and raced a zr1 (this means same shocks, aero, brakes, tires) the z06 will be 1-3 seconds faster than the zr1.

I totally agree. That's why the race car has an n/a engine and the street car can have a blower. Especially with a centri, you're putting nearly 100 extra pounds at the furthest point possible in the engine bay.

[Shaolin Crane]

This thread is gay. I will rape both of you in my wife's car.

Bring it on.

[enkeivette]

100 lbs? Suck a dick, its a little aluminum snail and a 15 lb Al intercooler. Psh

Carlos, you dont need your wife's car to beat us, your ego alone can take us on. Hahaha :p

Guy, mmhm. Youre admitting that if you still had a Dart block/ werent afraid of grenading yours youd want another 150 hp. Thats kinda sorta my point right there. :p And say what you want about your NA car, but you just dissed centri blowers for track cars... and you have a centri blower... and you wish you had more power... face it dude, more power kicks ass.

No doubt your NA car and Carlos's car were built more for more of a track minded purpose than my Vette. But c'mon, if any of us were given a choice between a 400hp GNX and a 1,000hp GNX, we'd all pick the 1K hp one, and worry about beefing up everything else later. Cuz in the end we all just wanna go fast. :)


But hey, maybe you guys are right... Im gonna go disconnect my secondaries right now, then everyone will like me more. :rolleyes:

[BADDASSC6]

Bring it on.

Sure, come out to AA speedway. I will do a flying lap in the stang. Then we will see if you can match it.

[enkeivette]

Sure, come out to AA speedway. I will do a flying lap in the stang. Then we will see if you can match it.

Why do you have cats on your C6? Do you still drive it on the street?

[Shaolin Crane]

100 lbs? Suck a dick, its a little aluminum snail and a 15 lb Al intercooler. Psh

Carlos, you dont need your wife's car to beat us, your ego alone can take us on. Hahaha :p

Guy, mmhm. Youre admitting that if you still had a Dart block/ werent afraid of grenading yours youd want another 150 hp. Thats kinda sorta my point right there. :p And say what you want about your NA car, but you just dissed centri blowers for track cars... and you have a centri blower... and you wish you had more power... face it dude, more power kicks ass.

No doubt your NA car and Carlos's car were built more for more of a track minded purpose than my Vette. But c'mon, if any of us were given a choice between a 400hp GNX and a 1,000hp GNX, we'd all pick the 1K hp one, and worry about beefing up everything else later. Cuz in the end we all just wanna go fast. :)


But hey, maybe you guys are right... Im gonna go disconnect my secondaries right now, then everyone will like me more. :rolleyes:

Weight the brackets, head unti, pulleys, heat exchanger, resivour fully filled and i bet you'd come close.

If your argument made any sense then i would spin for the fences and worry about it later. But im not, the entire car was built to the 500rwhp power range and i have no plans on going past that. Yes, it would be nice to take it to its potential, but i'm not. And im not spouting what the car could do if it made 650rwhp. Its at a range where i have complete confidence in everything. I can push the car exactly as it is without "lets race from a roll, at night, on the west side of the sun with a slight crosswind" type of race.

My choice of a power adder, not just a centri was easy. I want more then the typical 320rwhp fox, but it has to pass smog, theres only one solution to getting those numbers and still appeasing kommiefornia. A sbf will NEVER make 500rwhp and pass smog, ever. More power is great, as long as you can use it. If you cant use it, theres no reason trying to compare what it "Might" do. Make as much power as you want, shit make 3000rwhp, but unless youre gonna race at the track what does it matter.

[Shaolin Crane]

Sure, come out to AA speedway. I will do a flying lap in the stang. Then we will see if you can match it.

I wish, i still have registration issues to go through, plus im too poor for a speedventures event. Adams or irwindale would be a cheaper choice

[enkeivette]

Weight the brackets, head unti, pulleys, heat exchanger, resivour fully filled and i bet you'd come close.

If your argument made any sense then i would spin for the fences and worry about it later. But im not, the entire car was built to the 500rwhp power range and i have no plans on going past that. Yes, it would be nice to take it to its potential, but i'm not. And im not spouting what the car could do if it made 650rwhp. Its at a range where i have complete confidence in everything. I can push the car exactly as it is without "lets race from a roll, at night, on the west side of the sun with a slight crosswind" type of race.

My choice of a power adder, not just a centri was easy. I want more then the typical 320rwhp fox, but it has to pass smog, theres only one solution to getting those numbers and still appeasing kommiefornia. A sbf will NEVER make 500rwhp and pass smog, ever. More power is great, as long as you can use it. If you cant use it, theres no reason trying to compare what it "Might" do. Make as much power as you want, shit make 3000rwhp, but unless youre gonna race at the track what does it matter.

:blah:

Can't take back what you said! You're a kid with toys! Own it!

[Shaolin Crane]

I'm not taking back anything. If i hated power then a stock fox would be right up my alley ;)

[enkeivette]

I'm not taking back anything. If i hated power then a stock fox would be right up my alley ;)

:beer:

[BADDASSC6]

Why do you have cats on your C6? Do you still drive it on the street?

The STANG not the vette. Flying lap in the STANG. BTW, yes the vette has cats and is driven on the street (Ever drive to work on Hoosiers?).

Shove a giant tampon in it.

[Shaolin Crane]

(Ever drive to work on Hoosiers?).

I have, even got them wet and it scared the shit out of me.
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/2010FabulousFordsForever_0834.jpg

[enkeivette]

The STANG not the vette. Flying lap in the STANG. BTW, yes the vette has cats and is driven on the street (Ever drive to work on Hoosiers?).

Shove a giant tampon in it.

Shove a giant tampon in it? You mean like its a big exhaust restriction?? :confused: You have a fox too?

[Vettezuki]

I stand to be corrected, but I think Carlos is refering to him and guy taking flying laps in his wife's very new and very nice Mustang. Please advise.

I have zero knowledge or opinion about Guy's driving ability. However, I am 100% certain Ron is mentally unstable, yet pretty damn fast. I would like to see a comparison of Ron (raw, untrained ability) to Carlos (trained ability) in a given car. Fuck. I'll contribute money to seeing that go down if we can get track data and video. . . seriously.

[Shaolin Crane]

I stand to be corrected, but I think Carlos is refering to him and guy taking flying laps in his wife's very new and very nice Mustang. Please advise.

I have zero knowledge or opinion about Guy's driving ability. However, I am 100% certain Ron is mentally unstable, yet pretty damn fast. I would like to see a comparison of Ron (raw, untrained ability) to Carlos (trained ability) in a given car. Fuck. I'll contribute money to seeing that go down if we can get track data and video. . . seriously.

I'm as mentally unstable as Ron, probably more so :lmfao:
My driving ability is decent and probably rusty as best being i've been a bitch to my vehicles for so long I havnt done any track days in years. And the last track day I did was a Just Drift event.

In any event i'll need time to rehone my skills, however there was a time when I was cutting .014, .011 and .027 reaction times at fontucky.

[enkeivette]

We need to get the snake running so we have a car everyone can beat on. I wanna throw myself into the mix :) Not that I have any experience or would expect to do well, bit if theres a 1.3 second lap time difference between Ron and Carlos, it doesnt really tell us anything till we see how much slower a driver with no track time is. Also, I wanna go fast.

[Vettezuki]

We need to get the snake running so we have a car everyone can beat on. I wanna throw myself into the mix :) Not that I have any experience or would expect to do well, bit if theres a 1.3 second lap time difference between Ron and Carlos, it doesnt really tell us anything till we see how much slower a driver with no track time is. Also, I wanna go fast.

The Lemon is much closer to completion and more of a track car. The Snake will be more of a weird mix of straight line, maybe drift, but wouldn't be particularly good as a track car given the blower (heat and weight).

[Shaolin Crane]

Ive said from the beginning i'd like to see what my car could do with the difference in drivers.